[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'll see how it develops with interest, hopefully Musk's/gubment's influence doesn't sneak in somewhere.

I think his government influence is likely at a low point given his politics of late and the present administration.

[KRS_SN]

I have a question
Ev manufacturers replace the battery at 30% degradation.
Does this mean that when it hits 30% it must be replaced if one is outside the 100k/8yr limit. Is there a degradation curvature re how quick the degradation progresses once it hits the 30% mark?

[BGM-M3COMP]

Tesla isn’t going anywhere. They can’t make enough of them to keep up with the demand.

This is exciting lol

[Patton250]

Lol


https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsF-K...RlODBiNWFlZA==

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

I have a question
Ev manufacturers replace the battery at 30% degradation.
Does this mean that when it hits 30% it must be replaced if one is outside the 100k/8yr limit. Is there a degradation curvature re how quick the degradation progresses once it hits the 30% mark?

They don't replace the battery at 30% just because. It's a warranty and it's warrantied to hold at least 80% of its capacity for the warranty period. So if it doesn't they would replace it per the warranty, but obviously it doesn't mean a battery at 80% or below capacity HAS to be replaced.

As for degradation curve... I'm sure it varies by battery size and how the battery is treated etc. Same with ICE if you beat it up, don't change the oil etc the engine will last less than a cared for one and of course you have the one off lemons. Here is the latest data I could find. It's from Tesla so take that as you may, however given how long the model s has been around for they probably have the most long term data.

https://electrek.co/2023/04/25/tesla...y-degradation/

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

They don't replace the battery at 30% just because. It's a warranty and it's warrantied to hold at least 80% of its capacity for the warranty period. So if it doesn't they would replace it per the warranty, but obviously it doesn't mean a battery at 80% or below capacity HAS to be replaced.

As for degradation curve... I'm sure it varies by battery size and how the battery is treated etc. Same with ICE if you beat it up, don't change the oil etc the engine will last less than a cared for one and of course you have the one off lemons. Here is the latest data I could find. It's from Tesla so take that as you may, however given how long the model s has been around for they probably have the most long term data.

https://electrek.co/2023/04/25/tesla...y-degradation/

We need more independently verified data. I'm very interested is battery performance figures across a wide variety of charging styles battery packs temperature ranges etc. This will help the customer.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Crazy how fucking clueless people are about ev’s.

No wonder they’re scared it’s going to take over soon.

Lmaoooo

[zx10guy]

I'm actually curious as to how often an individual cell in the battery pack fails. There has been instances where cells have failed in a battery pack and Tesla's policy is to replace the entire pack. Independent shops such as the Electrified Garage has performed work on battery packs with failed cells and were able to salvage the entire pack.

[KRS_SN]

Over a span of 10-15 years from personal experience cellphones can hold charge for 24hrs and batteries i find last a lot longer. I'm interested in seeing how cars of today will hold up to ones sold in 10 years. In terms of range and speed of charging longevity.

[PhaceN52]

Until you'll charge EVs burning coal somewhere I can't see the point... not to mention batteries pollution. But you know, that's too logical steps
Imho

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by PhaceN52

Until you'll charge EVs burning coal somewhere I can't see the point... not to mention batteries pollution. But you know, that's too logical steps
Imho

For me it is about the fun of driving an S Plaid and the benefit of just charging at home from the wall in my garage. Love all of that. Carbon benefits clearly vary by state or region depending on what is used to make electricity.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

I'm actually curious as to how often an individual cell in the battery pack fails. There has been instances where cells have failed in a battery pack and Tesla's policy is to replace the entire pack. Independent shops such as the Electrified Garage has performed work on battery packs with failed cells and were able to salvage the entire pack.

China already has 5 minute battery swap stations.

Having a dead cell is the same as a lifter going bad or a dropped valve.

How often do those happen? Ice isn’t bulletproof in terms of usage. People warm up their car, they break it in if new, they do oil changes etc

There’s a small learning curve with owning an ev similar to those who got their first car.

[M5Rick]

The way I see it the quicker the charge with the massive electricity boost then the shorter the life span of lithium batteries and there's no known replacement for lithium on the horizon, and power outages at sub stations will become normal, it doesn't take Einstein to work that one out and the gubments haven't a clue what they're doing.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The way I see it the quicker the charge with the massive electricity boost then the shorter the life span of lithium batteries and there's no known replacement for lithium on the horizon, and power outages at sub stations will become normal, it doesn't take Einstein to work that one out and the gubments haven't a clue what they're doing.

Looking at EV sales numbers worldwide I think we are getting onto the steep portion of the disruption curve. I, too, worry about the US electrical grid and the ability to keep up. I saw some excellent calculations that is everyone switched to EVs we would need about 30 percent more overall capacity. I still think this will happen at a pace where we have the ability to meet that demand. We will see.

[Robin_NL]

I'm not the biggest EV fan myself...heck I'm not an EV fan at all, but this is something else.

The speedrecords were done at ATP Papenburg Germany,
https://atp-papenburg.de/en/

where we do our driftdays, I was there back in March, it's about 80 miles from here....

But keep in mind this: I saw a 1973 or 1974 Road & Track article maybe 20 years ago already and they did some acceleration tests with the then banned(because horsepowaaah) Porsche 917/30 Can Am.
It did 0-200 (which I thought was in km/h , so about 124 mph) in 13 seconds...reasonable I thought.

It was in miles per hour, 0-200mph in 13s in 1973. Imagine that. 0-320kmh for us Euro/ROW guys.

Enjoy!

Cheers
Robin

[freakystyly]

Didn't watch the video but there was a write up on motor1 that mentioned the Rimac did 0-400kph(249mph)-0 in 29.94 seconds.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I’ve been watching the man in many different interviews over the past couple months and I just don’t see him letting Twitter go back to the one-sided cesspool it was before. I mean I don’t really go there anyway but I listen to people that talk about what’s happening over there. It’s been moving in an extremely positive direction since he took over.

Good morning.

If you haven't already, watch his interview with David Faber. So refreshing and non-hive, it made my day.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Yesterday was a business trip meeting day. 260 total miles and a 12-hour day. Up to DC for meeting 1, then up near BWI for meeting 2, then back home to Central Virginia. Started with about 85 miles into a fresh tank of fuel. About 57 miles and 70 minutes into the trip I snapped a pic at the remaining range, 400 miles. At arrival back home I took the remaing range, 133 miles. This was fast cruising on the I66 toll lanes, DC city traffic, heavy, slow traffic on RT 295 to Baltimore. Then 95 south to 495 around the top of DC at rush hour, then a 80 MPH rip out west back on I66 toll lanes. Then the rest of the normal backroad race track to home.

Sorry, but most EV wouldn't cut it range wise. I'll keep my do-everything zero-range anxiety ICE. ICE works for anyone.

I could definitely do 260 miles in my S Plaid. I can get 300 miles of pure highway but that would be a full discharge. Realistically and practically I would likely stop for 10-15 minutes for a supercharge around 270 miles. And this is for pure highway with little regen braking. Otherwise I would get more range.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Your Plaid cost $150K. My E90 cost $49.6K in 2023 dollars. And let's see what the range of your Plaid is with 420,000 miles on the clock.

Oh dear God let's don't. I'm getting a new car in 30 months. Whoever winds up with my car can get back to you down the road. I just wanted to give a sense of real world range for an EV and not any BS inflated range numbers.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'd hope for the price of the Plaid it could match near ICE range, but what you didn't point out is my E90 started with around 485 miles range when I refueled it to a full tank on May 6th (last time I fueled it up). When I parked it last night it still had 133 miles of range left. Had I started yesterday with a full tank I'd have parked it with 240 miles range remaining, which is about full range at depletion of a Model 3. I didn't have time to wait 15 minutes to refuel if necessary mid trip. On the way home after 9.5 hours of work time and a 2.5 hour trip home, adding 30 minutes to charge a Model 3, would have been less than desirable and probably would have added to the traffic delays on my route leaving later.

Everyone has to work out what they will accept with any vehicle on range, etc. I'm cool with a brief stop if needed. No reason for you to be okay with though. I get it. For many range is very important and helpful.

[Sedoy]

Don't panic, we will see when we get there. Plus I wonder how much battery technology will improve over the next years. Also, hybrids might have a solution for most drivers.

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'd bet the majority of the car-owning public has no idea in a few years their ICE choices are going to be very limited and by 2035, 18 or so states will ban the sale ICE-powered automobiles. With prospective emissions regulations from the EPA, there may no longer be ICE vehicles for sale.

So those people who range is very important and helpful are going to have a rude awakening. I'll say the majority of car owners do find range important and helpful. Being forced to buy a more expensive EV with less range and 4x refueling time is not going to play well with them. Then top it with oh by the way, in winter the range drops by 30% and the recharge rate increases by 45%, they'll be super happy.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

Don't panic, we will see when we get there. Plus I wonder how much battery technology will improve over the next years. Also, hybrids might have a solution for most drivers.

Technology will rapidly change for the better. It’s really amusing watching the whiners think they’re victorious because of how their old ass ice cars can do 30mpg in 2023 and think they’re Jeff gordon by doing 2 minute gas station stops lmaoooo

God fucking damn it I can’t wait a couple more years til we see some serious shit about this. Can’t wait for the shitty excuses then.