[Blue Angel]

“You’ll own nothing and be happy.”

THIS is the only thing we really need to know moving forward. Our future is being written for us by people with their own interests. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is well documented and public knowledge by those with the intention of carrying it out. EVs are just one step in the plan to reduce autonomy, despite the irony of their “autonomous” capabilities, lol.

I will take the liberty of re-writing the above statement for future generations:

“You will own nothing and won’t know any better.”

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

“You’ll own nothing and be happy.”

THIS is the only thing we really need to know moving forward. Our future is being written for us by people with their own interests. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is well documented and public knowledge by those with the intention of carrying it out. EVs are just one step in the plan to reduce autonomy, despite the irony of their “autonomous” capabilities, lol.

I will take the liberty of re-writing the above statement for future generations:

“You will own nothing and won’t know any better.”

This is where I think the auto industry will come to regret jumping on the bandwagon to push this beyond natural market demand. Ultimately, I think it could very well end with them selling less cars and bringing in less revenue.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by NGT2

This is where I think the auto industry will come to regret jumping on the bandwagon to push this beyond natural market demand. Ultimately, I think it could very well end with them selling less cars and bringing in less revenue.

To the absolute pleasure of those trying to squash the industry in the name of lowered CO2 emissions.

[jphcbpa]

Originally Posted by NGT2

This is where I think the auto industry will come to regret jumping on the bandwagon to push this beyond natural market demand. Ultimately, I think it could very well end with them selling less cars and bringing in less revenue.

I think this where Toyota is getting it right with a slower "transition" and offering more hybrids.

[E66er]

Why did this become an EV vs ICE debate....the i5 and 5 will look pretty much the same.

[bavarianboar]

AmuroRay

All valid points and thanks for the perspective. I am with you on being a bit more critical about this all- EV push.

my 2 cents.


The EVs are each automaker’s opportunity to re-invent the automobile and sell these like hot cakes again, all those GMs and Fords will get replaced and forecast for car sales will skyrocket. Every car would be eligible to “upgrade” so to speak which means massive profit for the automotive industry as a whole.

Nobody actually cares about the environment at the end of the day, the analysis is not closed loop so to speak, accounting for the life cycle of an EV (birth to death and no repairs but only replacement).

To the EV fans, how many teslas get assessed totaled because they are too expensive to repair, and insurance tells you to buy a new car, what happens to those totaled vehicles? And when they will be in 10,000s soon with 10-12 year lifecycle approaching soon. (Someone I know paid $26k to get Chevy bolt battery replaced)

Insurance companies are also in for a great ride by raised premiums, it’s an intertwined ecosystem which will help profits for many many industries.

Landfill with ewaste, no wonder Elon wants to go to Mars as this planet would be full of battery waste.

More R&D in Hybrids (why did they not pick up with BMW and others, not profitable?) and Fuel cell vehicles please. EVs are great, but an all-EV world is non sustainable.

There are two sides of the coin, it’s high team we see both and make our assessment, popular media is there to brainwash us and incentivized by the same lobbying army.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

AmuroRay

All valid points and thanks for the perspective. I am with you on being a bit more critical about this all- EV push.

my 2 cents.


The EVs are each automaker’s opportunity to re-invent the automobile and sell these like hot cakes again, all those GMs and Fords will get replaced and forecast for car sales will skyrocket. Every car would be eligible to “upgrade” so to speak which means massive profit for the automotive industry as a whole.

Nobody actually cares about the environment at the end of the day, the analysis is not closed loop so to speak, accounting for the life cycle of an EV (birth to death and no repairs but only replacement).

To the EV fans, how many teslas get assessed totaled because they are too expensive to repair, and insurance tells you to buy a new car, what happens to those totaled vehicles? And when they will be in 10,000s soon with 10-12 year lifecycle approaching soon. (Someone I know paid $26k to get Chevy bolt battery replaced)

Insurance companies are also in for a great ride by raised premiums, it’s an intertwined ecosystem which will help profits for many many industries.

Landfill with ewaste, no wonder Elon wants to go to Mars as this planet would be full of battery waste.

More R&D in Hybrids (why did they not pick up with BMW and others, not profitable?) and Fuel cell vehicles please. EVs are great, but an all-EV world is non sustainable.

There are two sides of the coin, it’s high team we see both and make our assessment, popular media is there to brainwash us and incentivized by the same [...]

I’m with you but I feel like, as a company, BMW has offered a good amount of hybrids that have been very well received. Not all available in the US though (hello 545e). The new 5 series platform should feature a 6 cyl hybrid in the US, I believe. And the M5 will be a hybrid.

[Eric500]

I agree, I think a full EV just isn't practical use of resources. When a vast majority of people drive <100 miles per day, IMO i think 50 miles is the sweet spot for a hybrid. The amount of battery of a 300 mile range is = to 6 hybrids.

If you want to do a roadtrip, gas is still just way more convenient

[BMW012]

yea we definitely skipped a step. the push should be more hybrids. then into EV, if anything...

we would still be majority ICE if it wasnt for Tesla

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by NGT2

I’m with you but I feel like, as a company, BMW has offered a good amount of hybrids that have been very well received. Not all available in the US though (hello 545e). The new 5 series platform should feature a 6 cyl hybrid in the US, I believe. And the M5 will be a hybrid.

Certainly would have loved to get a 545e stateside.

I guess I am puzzled by the short lived Activehybrid 3 and 5 drivetrains, back from F10 and F30 era.

Hondas and Toyotas continuing to sell their hybrids (not plug-in) drivetrains with huge dealer markups. Same with the Lexus line of NX and RX hybrids that are plenty to choose from and don’t require a charging outlet/grid dependency to take advantage of the battery.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

Certainly would have loved to get a 545e stateside.

I guess I am puzzled by the short lived Activehybrid 3 and 5 drivetrains, back from F10 and F30 era.

Hondas and Toyotas continuing to sell their hybrids (not plug-in) drivetrains with huge dealer markups. Same with the Lexus line of NX and RX hybrids that are plenty to choose from and don’t require a charging outlet/grid dependency to take advantage of the battery.

That I don’t know much about. Do they get the same battery range as a PHEV? I actually like the PHEV concept a lot. I think it’s a hell of a present day solution to grand scale fuel efficiency. But I don’t know anything about the expected life of the batteries or the difficulty of producing them, so I could be wrong.

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by NGT2

That I don’t know much about. Do they get the same battery range as a PHEV? I actually like the PHEV concept a lot. I think it’s a hell of a present day solution to grand scale fuel efficiency. But I don’t know anything about the expected life of the batteries or the difficulty of producing them, so I could be wrong.

Tough to say about the range and how to compare them, the hybrids are listed by EPA as increased fuel efficiency by an mpg rating for gasoline/diesel, the old days of when Prius touted 50mpg.

The PHEVs being marked as battery only range with mpge. It’s beyond my knowledge base to know how to calculate, perhaps someone here knows the details!

Agree, today’s commute style use with PHEV range is great, I am assuming this architecture of pairing the battery with ICE is also more efficient. On the other hand it’s nice to not have to drive on a depleted battery for long drives (hybrid delivering consistent power)

I am of the understanding that the engineers at BMW could optimize a traditional hybrid further if the euros were invested there, perhaps there are good reasons (of efficiency and engineering that are inferior to PHEVs).

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

Tough to say about the range and how to compare them, the hybrids are listed by EPA as increased fuel efficiency by an mpg rating for gasoline/diesel, the old days of when Prius touted 50mpg.

The PHEVs being marked as battery only range with mpge. It’s beyond my knowledge base to know how to calculate, perhaps someone here knows the details!

Agree, today’s commute style use with PHEV range is great, I am assuming this architecture of pairing the battery with ICE is also more efficient. On the other hand it’s nice to not have to drive on a depleted battery for long drives (hybrid delivering consistent power)

I am of the understanding that the engineers at BMW could optimize a traditional hybrid further if the euros were invested there, perhaps there are good reasons (of efficiency and engineering that are inferior to PHEVs).

Europeans have been under aggressive emissions standards for years. I think that’s probably a big driver.

[Eric500]

With the awd i4 starting at 62.6, I would guess the rwd i5 if there is a rwd one would probably be like 67-69 starting price?

Maybe they’ll only offer awd i5 40 with the additional torque like the added i4 today

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Eric500

With the awd i4 starting at 62.6, I would guess the rwd i5 if there is a rwd one would probably be like 67-69 starting price?

Maybe they’ll only offer awd i5 40 with the additional torque like the added i4 today

I’d be surprised if they offer two. Best bet is probably one i5 model being AWD. But I guess we will find out soon. I expect the i5 will be in the mid $70k range on price.

[lonestar22]

Shares alot with the E60. Not bad at all.

[AP]

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...i5?language=en

Announcement will be at 1400 CEST
(24th may)

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by AP

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...i5?language=en

Announcement will be at 1400 CEST
(24th may)

So tomorrow morning here in the US, right?

[AP]

1400 Central European Sumer time
1300 British summer time
0800 us eastern summer time


To be honest , with all the leaks , feel like we know most of this already but this should confirm the details and we finally get to see the car from all angles

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by AP

1400 Central European Sumer time
1300 British summer time
0800 us eastern summer time


To be honest , with all the leaks , feel like we know most of this already but this should confirm the details and we finally get to see the car from all angles

I’m excited to see the car from all angles and prepared to be disappointed by some future production questions still left unanswered. Mostly, I just want to see it.

[JMD]

Hmm, I'm holding judgement,...due to a not so good of a camera angle!

[atl_1M]

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