Stock market tips and experiences

BMW//M · 09-19-2011, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanity

Monday Obama will introduce new tax hike. Wednesday the fed will introduce (possibly) "operational twist", and Friday there will be a 190 country attendance for the IMF and world bank annual meetings. Hrmmmm, so many places for the economy to tank or go up lol......

Tax hikes mean stocks go down, Wednesday they might go up and Friday there might be a glimmer of hope and we'll be up 80 points but then we'll end down 200 after the meeting. Oh, and NFLX will be going down until the CEOs decide to lower the subscription rates, that'll jump start the stock again.

Vanity · 09-19-2011, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BMW//M

Tax hikes mean stocks go down, Wednesday they might go up and Friday there might be a glimmer of hope and we'll be up 80 points but then we'll end down 200 after the meeting. Oh, and NFLX will be going down until the CEOs decide to lower the subscription rates, that'll jump start the stock again.

I wish the market would just decidedly crash already. Greece is inevitably going to have to default. All they're doing is propping Athens up for the entire EU to fail. Letting it default now would be more cost-effective imo.

mact3333 · 09-19-2011, 10:08 AM

Dumped all TNA and TYH at the open(protecting nice gains there)...should see trend day down unless major recovery takes place within next 25 minutes, which is doubtful given Asia and Europe.

Downside risk is at 1170ES and then 1140ES...see selling for 1st half of this week then one last push to make final high near 1250...if we cant get to 1250 things gonna get ugly real fast...ugly is where we are headed imho just a matter of time.

BMW//M · 09-19-2011, 01:01 PM

Holy shit apple. Everything is down three percent this thing is up 3. It's $410. Still too high to buy or buy now?

Vanity · 09-19-2011, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW//M

Holy shit apple. Everything is down three percent this thing is up 3. It's $410. Still too high to buy or buy now?

Much to high to buy ATM. It will drop, do not worry.

Cnbc reporting today that the enticing low p/e ratios of company stocks right now might vanish soon if earnings begin to diminish from the hit of the coming recession. Stocks look cheap now, but when that earnings sheet goes down soon, you're gonna jam yourself in an overpriced stock. Be patient grasshopper. Besides, every ten point spread on aapl has resistance, usually. It's already come down from $410. Be patient. Aapl has Hit $356 levels twice in the last month, and we aren't even in the thick of things ATM.

persian54 · 09-19-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanity

I wish the market would just decidedly crash already. Greece is inevitably going to have to default. All they're doing is propping Athens up for the entire EU to fail. Letting it default now would be more cost-effective imo.

Greece should not fall

BMW//M · 09-19-2011, 05:17 PM

Aapl finished at $411. Anyways the Greeks should receive a phone call by the IMF chief and other big names on their future. When will they though, tonight? I hope Greece just declares bankruptcy to show the world socialism doesn't work. Oh and I also want the markets to fall, lol.

TimZ · 09-19-2011, 06:01 PM

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Holy shit apple. Everything is down three percent this thing is up 3. It's $410. Still too high to buy or buy now?

That's nice but chipotle (CMG) was peaking at 6 % today, it closed just under 5.7%

BayMoWe335 · 09-19-2011, 06:40 PM

AAPL is going to $500 or higher and really nothing is going to stop them. I've said in previous threads they are a screaming buy under $400.

I know it "looks" like a short, but they have the earnings, growth, and cash to back it up. They still don't trade at a huge premium and even after the run is a stock I'd rather own than something like NFLX at $140.

The demand for iPhone 5 is incredible...all the research, even freaking twitter is constantly blowing up about "wen duz da iphone 5 come out." Seriously, search iphone 5 at Twitter and see how much it's being discussed. It's insane.

I think the action today proves someone knows something we all don't know...yet.

BMW//M · 09-19-2011, 07:49 PM

Well I'll still wait for a dip before I buy. Hopefully the dip doesn't happen when apples at $430 and it just goes down to $420 or something. When does the iPhone 5 release? If it's within three weeks I'll just buy apple outright.

BMW//M · 09-19-2011, 07:51 PM

I have a question though. Would I make more money buying four $460 December aapl calls or would I make less than if I just bought it in stock form right now and made $20,000 by December? Because the underlying value of those 4 calls is the equivalent of buying 400 stocks.

Javi335 · 09-19-2011, 08:27 PM

The bull says he's tired, he run too much in the euro markets the last days.

Release the bear please:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...bt-mounts.html

and i think that this was not granted today

BayMoWe335 · 09-19-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW//M

Well I'll still wait for a dip before I buy. Hopefully the dip doesn't happen when apples at $430 and it just goes down to $420 or something. When does the iPhone 5 release? If it's within three weeks I'll just buy apple outright.

Probably announced within 1-2 weeks and released in the next 4 weeks. Also potential to announce deals with either or both T-Mobile or China's largest mobile carrier. This is the news to watch as if they get a deal in China, their stock might double from here in 2 years.

Javi335 · 09-19-2011, 08:46 PM

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Produced by Buttman ... ???

(end credits E.P: John Stagliano)

persian54 · 09-19-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW//M

Well I'll still wait for a dip before I buy. Hopefully the dip doesn't happen when apples at $430 and it just goes down to $420 or something. When does the iPhone 5 release? If it's within three weeks I'll just buy apple outright.

Yeah

I am kicking myself for selling too early (though the money I used from selling it did go for a good cause..... )

I'll buy once all the $300 people sell their $400 stock now so it dips a bit under 400

mact3333 · 09-20-2011, 01:10 AM

aapl will prob announce iphone 5 release date very soon...

...maybe even tomorrow given todays action.

But 300.00 more likely than 500.00...MSFT, CSCO, INTC were all great growing co's at some point and none have moved for a decade now...but they fall down eventually...so will AAPL one day, its inevitable...but they do make great computers and phones for now...

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This bear mkt will be interesting...no credit collapse, perhaps worse, collapse of sovereign debt...govt was there to backstop bank losses but who will back up the govt debt bomb???...bond mkt is much larger than the equity mkts and currency mkt is much larger than bond mkt...we will see things we couldnt imagine soon enough.

Funny thing about charts is this, it gives you a window into the economic, political and social future.

Vanity · 09-20-2011, 01:11 AM

Javi follows the stockmarket?

Javi335 · 09-20-2011, 09:37 AM

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Javi follows the stockmarket?

Not only i follow it, i invest. A year ago i buy MCD and KO for the longs. My bet is going well, but i gotta check the graphics in detail because i think the party is over for both, at least for a few months. I saw some signs that i dont like; fractals are our friends and they might help us

Im also in gold, pure speculation, trading for week to week, the channel is very stable by now, 1800-1900

And for very shorts trades "the green, green grass of homeeeee" my Ibex35.

Draven · 09-20-2011, 09:59 AM

Seems like I'll be going against the grain from most of you, but I've been following the market for about 7 years, and investing off and on for 5. I made a lot of money buying Ford at $1.60 and selling at $12.60 in a 7 month span during the auto crisis a few years ago.

When I recently started investing again, I got into dividend paying pharmaceuticals and REITs. I bought BMY at 25.80 and sold for $30 last week for 16% adjusted profit less tax for a 6 months investment. Kinda wishing I'd held for a year to avoid the short capital gains tax, even if the value drops, I'd probably still come out ahead. Oh well.

My REIT portfolio is about even from where it was 6 months ago value wise (gained on IVR, lost on CIM), but I've made almost 35% of the stock value in dividends less 15% taxes, so I'm still doing quite well there.

Anyone else into REITs? Obama's tax restructuring talks right now are really scaring me. I'm hoping that shoot all that crap down or it'll really kill that market segment. For now though since the feds have promised to keep interest rates down, that segment should be safe. Hopefully the politicians don't regulate that segment out of existence.

ScarecrowBoat · 09-20-2011, 10:06 AM

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Chickar Meekhani my friend...

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This board for actual traders so GTFO!...just kiddin ya...

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Stay but if you do, please try to contribute something other than sracasm...

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BMW//M · 09-20-2011, 11:48 AM

Man fuk apple. Didn't Italy get downgraded today? Why aren't the markets down 300? Makes no sense...

BMW//M · 09-20-2011, 12:02 PM

I'm still waiting on a dip even though markets will be up tomorrow again. Thursday or Friday expect some turmoil though. Any news out of Greece?

09-19-2011, 10:08 AM	#2049
mact3333 Captain 126 Rep 876 Posts Drives: 16' YMB/Blk F82 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Portland Area iTrader: (1)	Dumped all TNA and TYH at the open(protecting nice gains there)...should see trend day down unless major recovery takes place within next 25 minutes, which is doubtful given Asia and Europe. Downside risk is at 1170ES and then 1140ES...see selling for 1st half of this week then one last push to make final high near 1250...if we cant get to 1250 things gonna get ugly real fast...ugly is where we are headed imho just a matter of time.
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09-19-2011, 01:01 PM	#2050
BMW//M Banned 0 Rep 84 Posts Drives: 2009 128i Convertible Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Ballwin, MO iTrader: (0)	Holy shit apple. Everything is down three percent this thing is up 3. It's $410. Still too high to buy or buy now?
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09-19-2011, 05:17 PM	#2053
BMW//M Banned 0 Rep 84 Posts Drives: 2009 128i Convertible Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Ballwin, MO iTrader: (0)	Aapl finished at $411. Anyways the Greeks should receive a phone call by the IMF chief and other big names on their future. When will they though, tonight? I hope Greece just declares bankruptcy to show the world socialism doesn't work. Oh and I also want the markets to fall, lol.
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09-19-2011, 06:40 PM	#2055
BayMoWe335 Colonel 1219 Rep 2,132 Posts Drives: 2010 E92 335i 6MT Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: US iTrader: (0)	AAPL is going to $500 or higher and really nothing is going to stop them. I've said in previous threads they are a screaming buy under $400. I know it "looks" like a short, but they have the earnings, growth, and cash to back it up. They still don't trade at a huge premium and even after the run is a stock I'd rather own than something like NFLX at $140. The demand for iPhone 5 is incredible...all the research, even freaking twitter is constantly blowing up about "wen duz da iphone 5 come out." Seriously, search iphone 5 at Twitter and see how much it's being discussed. It's insane. I think the action today proves someone knows something we all don't know...yet.
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09-19-2011, 07:49 PM	#2056
BMW//M Banned 0 Rep 84 Posts Drives: 2009 128i Convertible Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Ballwin, MO iTrader: (0)	Well I'll still wait for a dip before I buy. Hopefully the dip doesn't happen when apples at $430 and it just goes down to $420 or something. When does the iPhone 5 release? If it's within three weeks I'll just buy apple outright.
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09-19-2011, 07:51 PM	#2057
BMW//M Banned 0 Rep 84 Posts Drives: 2009 128i Convertible Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Ballwin, MO iTrader: (0)	I have a question though. Would I make more money buying four $460 December aapl calls or would I make less than if I just bought it in stock form right now and made $20,000 by December? Because the underlying value of those 4 calls is the equivalent of buying 400 stocks.
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09-19-2011, 08:27 PM	#2058
Javi335 Troll but nice 172 Rep 341 Posts Drives: 335i E92 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Returning videotapes iTrader: (0)	The bull says he's tired, he run too much in the euro markets the last days. Release the bear please: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...bt-mounts.html and i think that this was not granted today __________________ There was me, that is Alex, and my three droogs, that is Pete, Georgie, and Dim, and we sat in the Korova Milkbar trying to make up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening. The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
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09-20-2011, 01:10 AM	#2062
mact3333 Captain 126 Rep 876 Posts Drives: 16' YMB/Blk F82 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Portland Area iTrader: (1)	aapl will prob announce iphone 5 release date very soon......maybe even tomorrow given todays action. But 300.00 more likely than 500.00...MSFT, CSCO, INTC were all great growing co's at some point and none have moved for a decade now...but they fall down eventually...so will AAPL one day, its inevitable...but they do make great computers and phones for now.... This bear mkt will be interesting...no credit collapse, perhaps worse, collapse of sovereign debt...govt was there to backstop bank losses but who will back up the govt debt bomb???...bond mkt is much larger than the equity mkts and currency mkt is much larger than bond mkt...we will see things we couldnt imagine soon enough. Funny thing about charts is this, it gives you a window into the economic, political and social future.
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09-20-2011, 01:11 AM	#2063
Vanity Private First Class 281 Rep 123 Posts Drives: BMW E90 LCI Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: BC, Canada iTrader: (0)	Javi follows the stockmarket? __________________
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09-20-2011, 09:59 AM	#2065
Draven C7Z - Darkside 50 Rep 226 Posts Drives: '18 Z06 M7 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Merrimack, NH iTrader: (0)	Seems like I'll be going against the grain from most of you, but I've been following the market for about 7 years, and investing off and on for 5. I made a lot of money buying Ford at $1.60 and selling at $12.60 in a 7 month span during the auto crisis a few years ago. When I recently started investing again, I got into dividend paying pharmaceuticals and REITs. I bought BMY at 25.80 and sold for $30 last week for 16% adjusted profit less tax for a 6 months investment. Kinda wishing I'd held for a year to avoid the short capital gains tax, even if the value drops, I'd probably still come out ahead. Oh well. My REIT portfolio is about even from where it was 6 months ago value wise (gained on IVR, lost on CIM), but I've made almost 35% of the stock value in dividends less 15% taxes, so I'm still doing quite well there. Anyone else into REITs? Obama's tax restructuring talks right now are really scaring me. I'm hoping that shoot all that crap down or it'll really kill that market segment. For now though since the feds have promised to keep interest rates down, that segment should be safe. Hopefully the politicians don't regulate that segment out of existence.
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09-20-2011, 11:48 AM	#2067
BMW//M Banned 0 Rep 84 Posts Drives: 2009 128i Convertible Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Ballwin, MO iTrader: (0)	Man fuk apple. Didn't Italy get downgraded today? Why aren't the markets down 300? Makes no sense...
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09-20-2011, 12:02 PM	#2068
BMW//M Banned 0 Rep 84 Posts Drives: 2009 128i Convertible Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Ballwin, MO iTrader: (0)	I'm still waiting on a dip even though markets will be up tomorrow again. Thursday or Friday expect some turmoil though. Any news out of Greece?
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