[BlackBMiLuc]

This has really considered my pursuit for obtaining some self-protection now more than ever. I thought some jiu-jitsu and defensive driving would be enough. You hear the stories and see some things with reckless and careless low-lives such as these, but after watching this video to see what it can really come down to, there is no other lesson to learn from this imho. Don't know what society is coming to but when it comes to protecting me and my family, in a responsible and mature way by reserving the worst for last resort, the approach is clear. It's really great to see so many of you with the same perspective which gives me some hope for the human race.

This incident will be giving bikers a really bad name for some time to come unfortunately. Kinda glad now that I just recently sold my last bike. Being a long-time rider, I am embarrassed to see what riding has come to if it can even be truly called as riding. Similar to undeserving BMW drivers out there. I really hope for the loss of their licenses to ride as well as losing their bikes on top of the criminal punishment.

[blackboxing]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justi...11664345601619

14k and counting likes for the facebook group supporting the rider that was run over. Really?

I'm certain, now that we know the SUV driver and his family are Asian, racial matters are coming into play.

[Nqwjx30]

Originally Posted by pgviper

Seems like we have a serious internet bad a$$ right here. It was a charity run for christ sake. I was on the BQE on sunday and there were several other huge groups of motorcycle riders cruising around. It was a beautiful sunday so naturally if I see a group of motorcycle riders getting close to me i'll run them over . The only threats we can see are driving close to someones vehicle. Let me just say that if you are going to run everyone over who comes close to your vehicle in NYC then GTFO. Being close to other vehicles ISSSS city driving!!!!

I didnt know this is how charity run should be......
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664

[FogCityM3]

Based on the video itself, the other 'deleted' videos, and typical behavior of people in crowds who would do things they otherwise wouldn't do as individuals, just a matter of time before charges are pressed on the bikers. Pretty obvious who is guilty here. What is even crazier is that this chase occurred for 50+ blocks without any police acknowledgement/intervention. That group of bikers should have been followed by law enforcement, period. I think the police are also culpable here, and also would not be surprised if a 911 call came from the RR.

[jlstyle]

Originally Posted by pgviper

Slow down and let the group pass. Why would a group that big mess with a car on a congested highway (it is always congested over there so the fact that you can't see any cars means that all the cars did what the average person would do and slow down) in the middle of the day on a sunday. Let the damn bikers pass. So what if you are a couple minutes late to your destination, it would have avoided a tragic situation.

And how are you so sure he didn't let them pass and caused this tragic situation? Because he was in the middle of the bikers in the beginning of the video?

Since you like to look at the situation at all angles-

Maybe these low life bikers were jealous about asian driving RR?
Maybe low life bikers were on his right lane when he was trying to steer over to let them pass?
Maybe they just picked on him?

I'm very curious to know how you came to your assumption as when 99% people on this thread think the other way.

Originally Posted by pgviper

Never ridden a motorcycle. The only people I hate more than assholes are entitled people which is exactly what this RR driver hits me as.

I like to analyze situations from all angles. Clearly your emotions are keeping you from doing so.

Apparently, you are only analyzing the situation on biker's side only.
Somehow you are agreeing with what RR did was in self defense but keep blaming him for the assumption you are only imagining.

Originally Posted by pgviper

If I ever justified the bikers actions then I am sorry for portraying an inaccurate opinion. I don't know why I keep coming back to this ridiculous thread but it's probably because we are all so quick to judge the motorcyclists. However the other side to this whole story is the driver himself. The guy is a moron. I know from personal experience that it is ALWAYS best to avoid a situation which this guy clearly didn't do. Hence why my opinion is that he is equally responsible for this mess.

I don't know if it's just around me but the media isn't even showing the first part of this video any more. They are only showing the last couple seconds.

Yet, you are so quick to judge the RR driver with your imagination.

[1LRM3]

As I posted in the other thread on this:

From a legit source, over 200 calls came into NYPD prior to this entire incident. Bikers were brake checking vehicles constantly to slow traffic and open up the highway for stunting.

Want to hear how this plays out.

[KingOfJericho]

This isn't a Fast & Furious movie... the police arent's going to throw down a spike strip to stop the group. This same group was driving all over sidewalks and into oncoming traffic in the videos taken earlier that day. When the number of riders grows toward the triple digits, stopping them becomes exponentially harder. The reality is that this could easily happen anywhere.

I have a C&C permit and live only 40 minutes from where this happened (and where you can legally carry a firearm) and don't know of a single person who carries a firearm with them in their car. It's just not standard practice up here like it seems to be in the southern part of the country. I'm also pretty confident that at least one, but likely several, of those riders were packing so I don't think that the driver shooting his way out of there would have gotten him very far. If anything, that would have also put his family in danger with bullets flying in both directions. It's not as if he would shoot one guy then be able to stand on the hood of his car like the cover of a Conan movie. The reality is that a firearm, in this scenario, would probably have made the situation worse for both parties.

[Templar]

Originally Posted by Titanium3er

I'm just someone who prefers when opinions are rooted in reality

I'd be more interested to see a breakdown by city or major urban area, not by state. Why? Because some of these "pro gun" states have cities that have pretty restrictive laws. NY being one of them. NYC is much more restrictive than the state in general, although the state has cracked down a lot.

I'm not sure, that's why I ask. I would think it varies greatly by city/metro area and not so much just by state.

[Titanium3er]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

DC is number 1 and California is number 11. Those are both very unfriendly to CC. Chicago is the #1 in the US for homicides (from the FBI this year if i remember right) also not at all CC friendly. I see a trend.

DC and Chicago are cities. If you want to compare apples to apples you'll have to compare those to other cities not entire states.

This is a year old, and only includes murder, but stills gives an idea. Also it uses deaths per capita not total, since it makes no sense to compare a large city to a small one on total numbers alone.

http://www.policymic.com/mobile/arti...st-cities-2012

If anything more cities allow CC than don't on that list. As I said, I have nothing against CC and pro gun laws, but if we're going make bold proclamations about how save pro gun cities and states are let's make sure it's accurate.

[Billup]

Originally Posted by Titanium3er

DC and Chicago are cities. If you want to compare apples to apples you'll have to compare those to other cities not entire states.

This is a year old, and only includes murder, but stills gives an idea. Also it uses deaths per capita not total, since it makes no sense to compare a large city to a small one on total numbers alone.

http://www.policymic.com/mobile/arti...st-cities-2012

If anything more cities allow CC than don't on that list. As I said, I have nothing against CC and pro gun laws, but if we're going make bold proclamations about how save pro gun cities and states are let's make sure it's accurate.

Glad to see my neighboring cities got both 1st and 2nd place.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Titanium3er

DC and Chicago are cities. If you want to compare apples to apples you'll have to compare those to other cities not entire states.

This is a year old, and only includes murder, but stills gives an idea. Also it uses deaths per capita not total, since it makes no sense to compare a large city to a small one on total numbers alone.

http://www.policymic.com/mobile/arti...st-cities-2012

If anything more cities allow CC than don't on that list. As I said, I have nothing against CC and pro gun laws, but if we're going make bold proclamations about how save pro gun cities and states are let's make sure it's accurate.

Actually Washington DC is a state. That is why it was listed with all the other states by the FBI.

The most murders last year happened in #1 Chicago and #2 NYC. Not highest per capita but the highest number. They are 2 of the 3 highest population cities in the US but if strict gun control worked as a deterrent they shouldn't be at the top of the numbers list either.

I am not saying they are the most dangerous, they are just not much better than anywhere else where you still have all of your rights.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

Without making this a gun rights thread, I totally agree that when everyone has a gun everyone is polite. Just google Kennesaw, GA.

But to everyone reading this, don't mistake what we might or would do in this situation with what we would WANT to do. No one deserving of carrying a concealed weapon WANTS to be in this situation. I know that i speak for the vast majority of CCL holders when i say that i hope i never have to use my weapon in self defense.

...But if i have to, i will be ready.

You are correct most everyone I know who has a CCL tries and avoid any situation where they would have to pull the gun out. I would say most all of them are the most responsible careful people around. They know once that gun comes out they have to pull the trigger. You can not think twice about it.

[Maestro]

The feel bad for the guy who got run over, however I find it interesting this guy was a son of preacher from Mass, why was his kid riding a with a bunch of road thugs in the first place, he may have been trying to help someone as he claims but if you're a God fearing person why are hanging with the godless bunch. I guess the preacher dad did not teach his son very well.

It looks like some NYC citizen stepped in to help the guy in the RR. it may have been worse if someone did not help out.



You can see they broke the wife;s window as well and one guy is trying to open the door to where the kid was. Yeah defend the bikes

[kevinbahnz]

Originally Posted by Maestro

You are correct most everyone I know who has a CCL tries and avoid any situation where they would have to pull the gun out. I would say most of them are the most responsible careful people around. They know once that gun comes out they have to pull the trigger. You can not think twice about it.

I wish to never be in this type of situation. I've been carrying since 1999 and have never had to use it until november 2011 when 2 punks robbed me and put a gun to my head. I've carried inside a bank before and while waiting in line for a teller I would always think to myself what would I do if someone tries to rob this bank while i'm in here. So unless someone points a gun at me i'll just be moesying along.

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by Maestro

The feel bad for the guy who got run over, how every I find it interest this guy was a son of preacher from Mass, why was his kid riding a with a bunch of road thugs in the first place, he may have been trying to help someone as he claims but if you God fearing person why are hanging with the godless bunch. I guess the preacher dad did not teach his son very well.

That's the first I've read of the preacher stuff.

I keep seeing this posted:

"Registry records show that Mieses applied for a learner’s permit in 1999 and 2000, but that he never obtained a full license because he failed to pay fines imposed after he was ticketed for speeding in Lawrence in 1999. His last contact with the Registry was in 2001, when he obtained an identification card, registry records show.

Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records.

In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show."

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

That's the first I've read of the preacher stuff.

I keep seeing this posted:

"Registry records show that Mieses applied for a learner’s permit in 1999 and 2000, but that he never obtained a full license because he failed to pay fines imposed after he was ticketed for speeding in Lawrence in 1999. His last contact with the Registry was in 2001, when he obtained an identification card, registry records show.

Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records.

In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show."

Yeah go figure, here you have the Preacher dad saying my poor son all he was trying to do was help the guy who got knocked down. Yeah Preacher Dad you in denial because you failed as a parent and as spiritual adviser to put your own son on a straight and narrow.

Would you want This preacher headed up your church when he can not keep his own how in order.

I just love the internet, you can not hide your pass bad doings that is for sure.

[Seminole]

Originally Posted by pgviper

Slow down and let the group pass. Why would a group that big mess with a car on a congested highway (it is always congested over there so the fact that you can't see any cars means that all the cars did what the average person would do and slow down) in the middle of the day on a sunday. Let the damn bikers pass. So what if you are a couple minutes late to your destination, it would have avoided a tragic situation.

Fuck that. I'm not slowing down and taking time out of my day because a bunch of halfwit bikers want to clog up a road with hundreds of bikes. I would have down the same thing and would never have pulled over for them. Nothing posses me off more then when I see a huge group of bikers get on a highway and hightail it to the left lane where they cruise at the speed limit. Bikers should follow the rules of the road like everyone else. 2 bikers side by side in a lane and then move over and pass, not this swarm mentality this group had. These guys give a bad name to good bikers.

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by Maestro

You can see they broke the wife;s window as well and one guy is trying to open the door to where the kid was. Yeah defend the bikes

at this point, it would have been cool if she came out with an uzi in each hand screaming "M*ther**ker!!!!!" and the guy's hand is left hanging on the door knob while the rest of the body is on the floor..

Originally Posted by kevinbahnz

I've been carrying since 1999 and have never had to use it until november 2011 when 2 punks robbed me and put a gun to my head.

don't leave us hanging..

[kevinbahnz]

Originally Posted by grimlock

at this point, it would have been cool if she came out with an uzi in each hand screaming "M*ther**ker!!!!!" and the guy's hand is left hanging on the door knob while the rest of the body is on the floor..



don't leave us hanging..

After I handed them the 85 dollars in 5's, I pulled out my S&W 9mm(that was 12years old that I fired a few times when i purchased it )from under the counter and managed to get one round off as they bolted for the door. One perp stumbled over the hood of my 335 and I thought they had gotten away. When the officers arrived they were pretty disappointed there weren't any bodies on the ground. But the perp who stumbled on the hood of my car was shot in the shoulder and left some DNA on the hood. They avoided the local hospital and tried to drive 35 minutes to the UNC Chapel Hill hospital where the LEO were already waiting for him. The kid was 17 yrs old and looking at 7-10 years for his previous crimes not this one.

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by kevinbahnz

After I handed them the 85 dollars in 5's, I pulled out my S&W 9mm(that was 12years old that I fired a few times when i purchased it )from under the counter and managed to get one round off as they bolted for the door. One perp stumbled over the hood of my 335 and I thought they had gotten away. When the officers arrived they were pretty disappointed there weren't any bodies on the ground. But the perp who stumbled on the hood of my car was shot in the shoulder and left some DNA on the hood. They avoided the local hospital and tried to drive 35 minutes to the UNC Chapel Hill hospital where the LEO were already waiting for him. The kid was 17 yrs old and looking at 7-10 years for his previous crimes not this one.

Damn, u hardass! Don't mess with a dad.. + that's some community service there

[kevinbahnz]

Originally Posted by grimlock

Damn, u hardass! Don't mess with a dad.. + that's some community service there

this happened at work thats why i only let off one shot. If someone came to my home and threatened my family I assure you I would have unloaded on them.

and just to clarify I am not a hardass. I am very calm and passive. its just when someone puts a gun to my head thats when i flip out. you can call me names talk shit whatever, just dont point a gun to my head and expect me not to retaliate.

[Sam335ix]

I have no clue how anyone can defend these low life's. I would run over every single one of them, If I feel that my life is in danger I will do what I need to do to defend my self and family. Look at this pics above, wife's window broken, child's door was tried to get opened! Yeah defense these waste of sperms, now that this video is out and the country had seen it, the so called biker pussy gangs will be targeted all over the country. I am sure this is not the first time this has happened, it won't be the last but I can tell you the next time this does happen there will be more injuries or fatalities as the driver of the car will remember the video of this Asian dude getting almost beaten to death.