[N & M]

Originally Posted by R N M

Instead of all this talk about electric crap - how about ///M goes back and engineers a new V8 for next gen M3/4 cars to match C63!

I'm sick and tired of hybrids / electrics looking to be performance cars.
The new NSX is a prime example.

As glorious as that would be, the realities of legislation and social pressures will make this nearly impossible.

There is nothing wrong with 6 cylinders. It can generate the power and the right noises. BMW just needs to fine tune it better before rushing to the market. Look at 911; kept its iconic flat 6 and still gives a lickin to bigger and brawnier cars out there.

[123sub]

Originally Posted by rob24ert

Who wouldn't want electric motors to prime your turbo so there is 0 lag, like in F1

Do not want Electric motors, and do not want turbo.

[m4282]

From what they are saying we can probably expect a base price of 95k for a m3/4 and 90k for a m2. I look at the current market to cite this.

With options your looking at a 100k+ car in the us- sorry but that's base 911 territory new or at this time a CPO previous gen 911 from whenever year the new Ms come out...... Doesn't make sense.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by adc

Good luck making that last a day at the track.

I have to say everything I have read about the Tesla suggests it is fantastic at catapulting you in a straight line and that's about it. It is not a sports car as impressive as it is.

To compare an M car to the Tesla you might as well say today's 105mm Howitzer cannon is tomorrow's M car. I certainly hope it isn't.

[doccyber]

BMW, Please keep offering the manual transmission

[123sub]

Originally Posted by doccyber

BMW, Please keep offering the manual transmission

Is it because of the US marked that a manual is an option. In Europe, almost nobody order a M3/4 with manual. That is the same reason that the last two generation of M5/6 was/is available with manual in US and not in Europe.

[SCOTT26]

Manual transmissions are done in the upper class vehicles so M5,M6,M8 will be M-DCT only.

[spellbmw]

I test drove an S P90D with Ludicrous mode. Impressive to my geek side with cool UI and semi-autonomous mode. Ludicrous is insane but drains power very quickly presently = more of a wow factor but impractical.
The car handles well but is very heavy & you feel it when trying to toss it in the twisties. I had put money down for the model 3 but after the test drive and the realization that it is a four wheeled computer, I cancelled my order and staying with MY2018 M2. the electrics feel a bit soulless to me. And don't get me started on autonomous vehicles and security risk. Potential to be hackers' wet dream and terrorists' delight.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Here's the answer:

AWD 3L and 4L 6 Cyl turbo engines with electric assist built into the engines powering the rear wheels through a DCT transmission combined with 2 electric motors powering the front with 28kW capacity.

Total HP deployed in the 3L combination, up to 550.
Total HP deployed in the 4L combination, 650+.

I'll definitely buy a next gen ///M equipped like this.

I'd favour this mild hybridisation route over a 4cyl with a separate motor

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

When BMW introduce eAxle technology it will be a piece to complete a larger puzzle to cement the future...watch this space...

A refresher on Power eDrive.
The idea behind the new plug-in petrol-electric hybrid Power eDrive system is to provide a scaleable basis for BMW‘s future performance and upper luxury car needs.

The German car maker isn’t pretending the complex arrangement is going to replace the potent 552bhp twin-turbocharged 4.4-litre V8 direct injection petrol engine in the BMW M5 any time soon.

However, it does concede electrification is set to play an important role, both in achieving the sort of performance and range customers have come to expect from traditional combustion engines and at the same time fulfilling ever-stricter fuel consumption and emission regulations.

Right now, it says the Power eDrive system can be adapted to generate anything from 250bhp all the way up to 650bhp, as sampled here.

As an indication of where the efforts of BMW’s concept driveline engineers are focused with Power eDrive, the otherwise innocuous-looking 5-series GT xDrive in which the initial prototype system is installed is described to us as “the Tesla-killer”. We take a passenger seat and ready ourselves to ride shotgun around the German company’s vast Miramas test track in southern France.

From rest in the pit lane, the BMW test driver pushes the throttle against its backstop and we’re thrust onto the circuit with truly astonishing force. With the two electric motors channelling their reserves to all four wheels, acceleration is brutal.

The delivery of torque is instant, and it is sufficient to induce momentary wheelspin from all four wheels as we’re furiously propelled up the straight. The only sensation of noise comes from a distant high-pitched whine from the electric motors, the buffeting of wind around the exterior mirror housings and the roar of tyres across the Tarmac. That is until until the four-cylinder petrol engine fires to further boost the remarkable performance and also act as a generator to produce electricity, which is stored on board.

BMW won’t say exactly how much shove is on offer, suggesting only that it is “well into four figures” on the Newton metre (Nm) scale. As a point of reference, the recently unveiled performance variant of the Tesla Model S, the so-called 85kWh, possesses a mighty 931Nm – or some 687lb ft of torque. So the BMW prototype is not exactly lacking.

Make no mistake, this is a very heavy car. It carries three powerplants and a battery roughly twice the size of that found in more conventional plug-in petrol-electric hybrids. However, its ability to gather speed in a straight line is nothing short of sensational. Subjectively it feels every bit as quick (and then some) as the 3.2sec figure Tesla quotes as the 0-62mph time of the Model S 85kWh.

Before the weight becomes a factor, though, the BMW test driver steps off the throttle on the approach to the first corner and uses the brakes to recuperate electrical energy, allowing the big five-door liftback to roll past the apex before getting back on the power again for another viscous whip of acceleration along the next straight.

Once again, we’re left reeling from the sheer explosiveness of the available performance. That, and the already impressive cohesion evident in the complex driveline. Although it was hastily constructed, the driveline of the 5-series GT xDrive prototype gives the impression of being tremendously well engineered.

BMW won’t be drawn on specifics, but I suspect we haven’t seen the last of Power eDrive. What chances of the German car maker applying a modified version of its new plug-in petrol-electric system to the BMW i8 to create something really special – a centenary birthday gift to itself in 2016, perhaps?

Any news on this?

Any sign of the i8+ or news on the second gen i8 where there was a mention of approx 700bhp

[m4282]

Originally Posted by clbmw

I'd favour this mild hybridisation route over a 4cyl with a separate motor

If this is true the m2/3/4 will get the 4cyl variants here while 5/6/8 will get the 6cyl...... Looks like they will need some crazy exhaust to make it sound like a car that's not the irobot car

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by N & M

As glorious as that would be, the realities of legislation and social pressures will make this nearly impossible.

There is nothing wrong with 6 cylinders. It can generate the power and the right noises. BMW just needs to fine tune it better before rushing to the market. Look at 911; kept its iconic flat 6 and still gives a lickin to bigger and brawnier cars out there.

There is no 6 cylinder on the planet that sounds as good as the S65. Sorry.

And now with turbos all over, that chance is even more slim

[adc]

Originally Posted by SoManyBlueCars

There is no 6 cylinder on the planet that sounds as good as the S65. Sorry.

Ever heard the original NSX?

[adc]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Manual transmissions are done in the upper class vehicles so M5,M6,M8 will be M-DCT only.

That's what they said before. If the US throws a fit again they will shove a 6sp in there.

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by adc

That's what they said before. If the US throws a fit again they will shove a 6sp in there.

The take rate on stick shift M5s and M6s are so low that it wouldn't even benefit BMW to certify the model for one market alone.

[jpnh]

If "Hybrid"/Electric vehicles have a future then there better be a revolution in battery technology in the next couple years to deal with lithium/rare earth metal avail

Not to mention the increase in electricity usage from a power grid perspective

[N & M]

Originally Posted by SoManyBlueCars

There is no 6 cylinder on the planet that sounds as good as the S65. Sorry.

And now with turbos all over, that chance is even more slim

Maybe you should try Mercedes mate. Historically BMW is more famous for its inline sixes so my bet is that you will see more of them in the future due to the prevailing pressures and realities.

Anyway; we might all be surprised and see even small configurations. Who knows!

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by N & M

Maybe you should try Mercedes mate. Historically BMW is more famous for its inline sixes so my bet is that you will see more of them in the future due to the prevailing pressures and realities.

Anyway; we might all be surprised and see even small configurations. Who knows!

Yet 3 of BMWs most highly regarded engines are the v8 in the e39 m5, the v8 in the e92 m3, and the v10 in the e60 m5.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

I dont want it if it means a 4700lb car

I don't think an F1 car weight close to 4700lbs?

[The long haul]

Originally Posted by SoManyBlueCars

There is no 6 cylinder on the planet that sounds as good as the S65. Sorry.

And now with turbos all over, that chance is even more slim

Never heard a Porsche GT3, or any air cooled Porsche have you?

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by The long haul

Never heard a Porsche GT3, or any air cooled Porsche have you?

Sure I have. They just sound worse.

[The long haul]

Originally Posted by SoManyBlueCars

Sure I have. They just sound worse.

As a E92M owner, you're delusional.