[Game]

ynguldyn

Have you seen the possibility of the 4 series LCI being delayed? BMW released EOP/SOP for MY25 March and April builds and it's mysteriously missing.

[bayarea328xit]

Originally Posted by Game

ynguldyn

Have you seen the possibility of the 4 series LCI being delayed? BMW released EOP/SOP for MY25 March and April builds and it's mysteriously missing.

Can please you share the MY25 EOP/SOP information you have? That would be very helpful...

[Game]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

Can please you share the MY25 EOP/SOP information you have? That would be very helpful...

Unfortunately I cannot share that info.

[WestCoastToast]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

Can please you share the MY25 EOP/SOP information you have? That would be very helpful...

Turtleboy posted this in another thread. This what you’re looking for?

[bayarea328xit]

Originally Posted by WestCoastToast

Turtleboy posted this in another thread. This what you’re looking for?

The information you posted was for MY24 -- based on the above posts, I think Game has information for MY25...

[mbanck]

(got fixed in the meantime).

[mbanck]

Pingback: https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/01/28/n...s-2027-report/

[xovora]

ynguldyn
I heard from a dealer that the G90 M5 would be available to order in early March, and that they heard this information earlier this month. Maybe they misspoke and meant the reveal. Can you or anyone else confirm this if true?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by xovora

ynguldyn
I heard from a dealer that the G90 M5 would be available to order in early March, and that they heard this information earlier this month. Maybe they misspoke and meant the reveal. Can you or anyone else confirm this if true?

Sorry, I stopped listening after the word "dealer".

[Max Well]

Appreciate your continued updates to this informative thread, ynguldyn.

Can you confirm whether the SOP-EOP of the G97 X3MC will follow the base X3 G45 series dates (08/24-10/33) or will it have a different timeline?

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

This post contains information about future production plans I've compiled from various leaks within the BMW organization. It is continuously updated: new research is added, and everything that becomes official is deleted. ...

G45 X3[list][*]In production 08/24-10/33[*]This is the traditional X3 with gas, diesel, and hybrid versions. The full EV role is going to the Neue Klasse. There will still be X3M (G97)...

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Max Well

Appreciate your continued updates to this informative thread, ynguldyn.

Can you confirm whether the SOP-EOP of the G97 X3MC will follow the base X3 G45 series dates (08/24-10/33) or will it have a different timeline?

M cars are never released at the same time as their base models. You can check the history for any existing one and compare.

[Max Well]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

M cars are never released at the same time as their base models. You can check the history for any existing one and compare.

Understood. Our early run 2018 G01 X3M40i arrived Oct 2017 and early production 2020 F97 X3MC in Sep 2019. So if that's consistent looking at ~ 2-1/2 years. [Edit 18 Feb 2024 1119AM -And for completeness of the model timeline, my wife's early run 2022 F97 X3MC LCI arrived in Aug 2021]. Will check back for your updates. Thanks again for the thread.

[hooked]

G87 M2

• In production until 07/29
  
• 08/24: engine power increases to 475hp; cosmetic changes including new wheel options. This is not the "CS" or "Competition". Skyscraper Gray, Mineral Red, Portimao Blue, and Sao Paulo Yellow could be the new colors.
• 08/25-07/26: M2 CS, with the wheels off the big brother CS/CSLs, carbon roof, bucket seats, alcantara steering wheel as standard. Automatic transmission only.

G80 M3

• In production until 02/27
  
• 07/24: Gets the LCI changes from G82.

G82/G83 M4

• In production until 06/28
  
• M4 CS will be in production 07/24-06/25. Virtually the same car as the current M3 CS but with two fewer doors and some headlight changes (no laserlights).

So, potentially, an electric M3 replaces the G80 ICE M3 in March 2027. Then an electric M4 replaces the G82/G83 ICE M4 in July 2028 leaving the G87 M2 as the only small ICE M car from July 2028 - July 2029.

Hard to see the G87 M2 NOT getting M xDrive [as rumored/speculated for 2026] and a significant bump in power to remain competitive in this space as time marches on and the M3 & M4 get even faster by going electric.

If it plays out this way, the future of the M2 looks very promising but BMW should keep building the ICE cars alongside the electric ones and lets sales dictate when the ICE cars go away. I think they may be surprised by how many people will prefer to continue buying "slower" ICE cars. Many of them already prefer to buy the "slower" manual versions of their ICE cars so the emotional part of the driving experience still sells a lot of cars.

I've driven an i4 M50 several times now and while it is a touch faster than these M cars, it doesn't leave me with the same feeling after stepping out of a M2/M3/M4. It's not even close.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by hooked

So, potentially, an electric M3 replaces the G80 ICE M3 in March 2027. Then an electric M4 replaces the G82/G83 ICE M4 in July 2028 leaving the G87 M2 as the only small ICE M car from July 2028 - July 2029.

Hard to see the G87 M2 NOT getting M xDrive [as rumored/speculated for 2026] and a significant bump in power to remain competitive in this space as time marches on and the M3 & M4 get even faster by going electric.

If it plays out this way, the future of the M2 looks very promising but BMW should keep building the ICE cars alongside the electric ones and lets sales dictate when the ICE cars go away. I think they may be surprised by how many people will prefer to continue buying "slower" ICE cars. Many of them already prefer to buy the "slower" manual versions of their ICE cars so the emotional part of the driving experience still sells a lot of cars.

I've driven an i4 M50 several times now and while it is a touch faster than these M cars, it doesn't leave me with the same feeling after stepping out of a M2/M3/M4. It's not even close.

I think you are slightly misinterpreting the product plan but overall your point is spot on around there being significant demand and interest in the an ICE M3 and in that timeframe further enhanced versions of the M2.

in the next gen, 2028+ there will be an ICE 3 series on an evolution of the current ICE chassis. With potential (probably likely at this point given how EV growth/adoption trends have slowed somewhat) production of an ICE/hybrid M3 model based on that chassis.
There will also be concurrently an i3 based on a completely new electric only chassis with electric only M models. So its not exactly a replacement for the ICE M3 as the vehicle design will be distinctly different than the ICE 3 series.

[Game]

Originally Posted by hooked

So, potentially, an electric M3 replaces the G80 ICE M3 in March 2027. Then an electric M4 replaces the G82/G83 ICE M4 in July 2028 leaving the G87 M2 as the only small ICE M car from July 2028 - July 2029.

Hard to see the G87 M2 NOT getting M xDrive [as rumored/speculated for 2026] and a significant bump in power to remain competitive in this space as time marches on and the M3 & M4 get even faster by going electric.

If it plays out this way, the future of the M2 looks very promising but BMW should keep building the ICE cars alongside the electric ones and lets sales dictate when the ICE cars go away. I think they may be surprised by how many people will prefer to continue buying "slower" ICE cars. Many of them already prefer to buy the "slower" manual versions of their ICE cars so the emotional part of the driving experience still sells a lot of cars.

I've driven an i4 M50 several times now and while it is a touch faster than these M cars, it doesn't leave me with the same feeling after stepping out of a M2/M3/M4. It's not even close.

But would you take it over the M340/M440?

[hooked]

Originally Posted by xlover

I think you are slightly misinterpreting the product plan but overall your point is spot on around there being significant demand and interest in the an ICE M3 and in that timeframe further enhanced versions of the M2.

in the next gen, 2028+ there will be an ICE 3 series on an evolution of the current ICE chassis. With potential (probably likely at this point given how EV growth/adoption trends have slowed somewhat) production of an ICE/hybrid M3 model based on that chassis.
There will also be concurrently an i3 based on a completely new electric only chassis with electric only M models. So it's not exactly a replacement for the ICE M3 as the vehicle design will be distinctly different than the ICE 3 series.

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

G50/G51 3er
In production 11/26-10/34
Intro models: worldwide 318, 320, M350 xDrive; US 330, 330 xDrive, M350 xDrive.
03/27: adds worldwide 320 xDrive.
07/27: adds worldwide 330e.
11/27: adds worldwide 330.
The above lineup and schedule are preliminary and may be incomplete (e.g. the fate of diesels is currently unknown)
G84 M3 sedan possible within that timeframe.

NA0/NA1 i3
In production 11/26-6/35
Model range: 40, 40 xDrive, 50, 50 xDrive, M60 xDrive
Will be made in Germany and SLP (SLP starts with one year delay).
Will include ZA0 M3, may include ZA1 M3 Touring.

OK, I think I see what you are saying now with the G50/51 platform possibly including an ICE or Hybrid M3 at some point - presumably when the current M3/M4/M2 goes end of life.

And along side that, if the dates above from the OP are accurate, an all electric M3 based on the NA0/NA1 Neue Klasse i3 chassis.

This all makes more sense to me now. Let's hope the G84 M3 [and M4, M2] actually happen and thanks for clarifying!

[hooked]

Originally Posted by Game

But would you take it over the M340/M440?

I don't think so. Maybe I'm just old but after I drive an electric car, even a really fast one, I don't feel like I'm missing anything. After I got out of the M3C and M2 I've driven, I was like...man I NEED to own one of these. I wasn't expecting the feelings/emotions to be so different.

[NicoPalm]

Hey all, first time poster looking for some advice.

I'm very close to putting a deposit down on a new M340i Touring - however the info there is going to be a new LCI has made me pause. Is there any more information about what the exterior changes will be and also when we're likely to hear anything more official?

Just want to make sure I'm not signing up to something that will be obviously out of date in 6 months!

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by NicoPalm

Hey all, first time poster looking for some advice.

I'm very close to putting a deposit down on a new M340i Touring - however the info there is going to be a new LCI has made me pause. Is there any more information about what the exterior changes will be and also when we're likely to hear anything more official?

Just want to make sure I'm not signing up to something that will be obviously out of date in 6 months!

There will be no exterior changes. The car will get the new iDrive and interior design improvements. Your model will not get the new B58 since it's for the US and Korea only.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by hooked

OK, I think I see what you are saying now with the G50/51 platform possibly including an ICE or Hybrid M3 at some point - presumably when the current M3/M4/M2 goes end of life.

No such thing.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by NicoPalm

Hey all, first time poster looking for some advice.

I'm very close to putting a deposit down on a new M340i Touring - however the info there is going to be a new LCI has made me pause. Is there any more information about what the exterior changes will be and also when we're likely to hear anything more official?

Just want to make sure I'm not signing up to something that will be obviously out of date in 6 months!

Wait… the climate controls in idrive 8.5 are much better than 8.

[NicoPalm]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

There will be no exterior changes. The car will get the new iDrive and interior design improvements. Your model will not get the new B58 since it's for the US and Korea only.

Thanks so much for the response. In which case I think I can look forward to owning an M340i ... only question now is what colour?!?