[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I stopped by my local gas station a few days ago to top up, there wasn't free pump so I had to wait about 5 minutes, which is about 4.5 minutes longer than I care to wait. I can't imagine having an EV pulling in to charge and seeing there is a 2 hour wait or 1/2 the chargers being broken. This alone is reason enough for me to not want to buy one.

Yeah... that sounds terrible. I can't tell you the last time I had to wait for a pump to become available to get gas. I bet at least 5-10 years minimum. It'll probably happen today now that I put this out there

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

And remember, this "public charging" is the solution for those that live in apartments or condos, or don't have adequate electrical service or parking access for charging at home. It's offered as an easy fix for those that can't afford the infrastructural changes needed to embrace an EV in their own home. "Don't worry, someone else will build that for you. Buy now and trust us".

It's going to get a lot worse very quickly when those people in non-ideal situations run out of options and have to use public charging. Right now public charging is mostly convenience thing and many EV owners never use them, or use once or twice a year. If %6 of new cars are EV now, and most are charged at home, what's it going to look like when 100% of new cars are EV, and only some can be charged at home? It's a non-linear equation.

Answer is easy. PHEV. Government can still say all electric and it solves the charging issue.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

And remember, this "public charging" is the solution for those that live in apartments or condos, or don't have adequate electrical service or parking access for charging at home. It's offered as an easy fix for those that can't afford the infrastructural changes needed to embrace an EV in their own home. "Don't worry, someone else will build that for you. Buy now and trust us".

It's going to get a lot worse very quickly when those people in non-ideal situations run out of options and have to use public charging. Right now public charging is mostly convenience thing and many EV owners never use them, or use once or twice a year. If %6 of new cars are EV now, and most are charged at home, what's it going to look like when 100% of new cars are EV, and only some can be charged at home? It's a non-linear equation.

With the current de-policing efforts of nearly every major US city, being a sitting duck cabled up to a charger for 40 minutes? Nah, no thanks. And being female (not me), even worse.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Answer is easy. PHEV. Government can still say all electric and it solves the charging issue.

100%. And keeps jet fuel and heating oil costs in check. Best solution by far.

[allinon72]

Had a situation happen to me that really got me thinking. Charger to my wife's X5 hybrid took a dump, completely dead. Took a week to go through the warranty process and get the replacement installed.

If I had an all electric, that would have basically taken the vehicle out for several days. These are the types of things we should be weighing and considering when talking about the viability of all-electric vehicles.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

I'll just leave this here: https://www.yahoo.com/news/heres-big...115727655.html

Absolutely everything that we’ve been saying on this thread and this is coming from an extremely pro green pro EV group of journalists if you want to call them journalists. They are mostly propagandist over at Yahoo but I assure you they are on the side of EV and here they are saying the same things we have said.

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Absolutely everything that we’ve been saying on this thread and this is coming from an extremely pro green pro EV group of journalists if you want to call them journalists. They are mostly propagandist over at Yahoo but I assure you they are on the side of EV and here they are saying the same things we have said.

https://mises.org/wire/peak-ev-elect...s-become-clear

[KRS_SN]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/carlos-alb...150000633.html

Carlos Alba: I bought an electric car - now I'm trading it in for a dirty diesel

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by allinon72

Had a situation happen to me that really got me thinking. Charger to my wife's X5 hybrid took a dump, completely dead. Took a week to go through the warranty process and get the replacement installed.

If I had an all electric, that would have basically taken the vehicle out for several days. These are the types of things we should be weighing and considering when talking about the viability of all-electric vehicles.

wouldnt be an issue with a Tesla there are charging stations everywhere....and also never heard of a home Tesla charger failure

but even with a BMW, it's not like you wouldnt be able to find a charger station nearby to get you through the week

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by AlpineBoost

Yeah... that sounds terrible. I can't tell you the last time I had to wait for a pump to become available to get gas. I bet at least 5-10 years minimum. It'll probably happen today now that I put this out there

youve never been to a Costco?

[BGM-M3COMP]

ITT: people naming no name ass people saying they bought an electric car, then switching back to gas and then preaching it like it’s gospel.

But you have more and more people on these social media platforms stating they bought an electric car and never going back to gas and now that doesn’t count?

Lmaoooooooooo

As much as I love ICE holy shit I can’t wait for 2035, that will put all this bullshit to bed already lmaooooo

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

wouldnt be an issue with a Tesla there are charging stations everywhere....and also never heard of a home Tesla charger failure

Try googling : "tesla charger failure".

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

youve never been to a Costco?

Never for gas

Even during extreme shortages the stations I go to never looked like that, but I don't get gas from QT, RT, Sam's, Costco, Walmart, Kroger, etc. I remember not being able to find 93 anywhere for 1 day over a weekend but got some the next day and was the only person there.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Literally every rest stop gas station on the turnpike looks like that lol.

People just be bullshittin lmao

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

ITT: people naming no name ass people saying they bought an electric car, then switching back to gas and then preaching it like it’s gospel.

But you have more and more people on these social media platforms stating they bought an electric car and never going back to gas and now that doesn’t count?

Lmaoooooooooo

As much as I love ICE holy shit I can’t wait for 2035, that will put all this bullshit to bed already lmaooooo

It’s truly too bad that this forum doesn’t have some type of award for the forums biggest troll because you would win by a long shot. I’m actually kind of impressed at this point. You absolutely don’t give a crap.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

youve never been to a Costco?

200 yards away for gas that’s one cent less a gallon you do not see this. But my Costco is the same way every freaking weekend. That’s why I don’t get gas there anymore. I’m not waiting to save $.20.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

youve never been to a Costco?

I have never shopped at Costco.

What exactly are these people saving per gallon, to endure waiting in line?

Versus going to next corner and instantly filling up at Shell or Mobil?

[M5Rick]

Costco gas is no good for M cars as only 97RON over here and they require 98 RON minimum, the nearest one to me is over 30 mi away and too far.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by M3WC

I have never shopped at Costco.

What exactly are these people saving per gallon, to endure waiting in line?

Versus going to next corner and instantly filling up at Shell or Mobil?

$.01-$.02. That’s it. However, Costco is pretty awesome for all kinds of other things. I get all my meats there and coffee and lots of other stuff.

[KRS_SN]

I'm.in the UK. Costco super diesel is 20p lesser per litre than shell/BP. That's a £15 saving on a single refill. Tbh I queue up on worst days for 10 minutes but get 500 mile range on a full tank and save £15 plus ... on good days no queue at all.. what's not to like

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Costco gas is no good for M cars as only 97RON over here and they require 98 RON minimum, the nearest one to me is over 30 mi away and too far.

Source?

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

I'm.in the UK. Costco super diesel is 20p lesser per litre than shell/BP. That's a £15 saving on a single refill. Tbh I queue up on worst days for 10 minutes but get 500 mile range on a full tank and save £15 plus ... on good days no queue at all.. what's not to like

Actually, if I could get that kind of savings for regular gas, I would wait 10 minutes also. We just don’t have that kind of savings at our local Costco. Like I said only one one or two cents a gallon savings.