[Joralemon st.]

Originally Posted by ramparts

No, that update was to address overheating in certain apps ( that were using private apis that they shouldn’t have had access to ….. )

Ugh, gotcha. I remember someone saying to not use them until the update, but I guess that's not going to help then. So are all 15's going to be vulnerable to BMW's chargers?..

[scottc]

Originally Posted by Joralemon st.

Ugh, gotcha. I remember someone saying to not use them until the update, but I guess that's not going to help then. So are all 15's going to be vulnerable to BMW's chargers?..

I can confirm the update didn’t fix the issue, my second phone was bricked after the update.

If you have a iPhone 15 don’t use the charger

[Joralemon st.]

Originally Posted by scottc

I can confirm the update didn’t fix the issue, my second phone was bricked after the update.

If you have a iPhone 15 don’t use the charger

OMG what a shit show. I decided not to upgrade from my 14PM and couldn't be happier. And I don't even have an original BMW charger)

[ramparts]

BMW/Apple are still investigating the issue, no public announcement from either yet, so no confirmation on effected models.

However, given that it only happens with the 15 series, it’s more likely something specific with that hardware. I reckon the placement of the NFC chips has moved internally ( I haven’t had time to compare the ifixit tear downs ), and they are now in a less optimal place for how the charging Matt works.

The difficulty fixing
lies in the charging pad - it isn’t an ECU that is programmable , so unlikely BMW can fix by altering the Amperage output, without changing the physical part ( interestingly, a new revision is going into November onwards builds, but might be for a different reason ).

And it’s probably difficult for apple to fix as a t also can’t control the amperage and therefore heat. I imagine all they will be able to do is disable the wireless charging via an update, if it can detect what charger it is.

I don’t believe the BMW wireless charging Matt is QI certified , otherwise it would be an easier fix

[Joralemon st.]

Originally Posted by ramparts

BMW/Apple are still investigating the issue, no public announcement from either yet, so no confirmation on effected models.

However, given that it only happens with the 15 series, it’s more likely something specific with that hardware. I reckon the placement of the NFC chips has moved internally ( I haven’t had time to compare the ifixit tear downs ), and they are now in a less optimal place for how the charging Matt works.

The difficulty fixing
lies in the charging pad - it isn’t an ECU that is programmable , so unlikely BMW can fix by altering the Amperage output, without changing the physical part ( interestingly, a new revision is going into November onwards builds, but might be for a different reason ).

And it’s probably difficult for apple to fix as a t also can’t control the amperage and therefore heat. I imagine all they will be able to do is disable the wireless charging via an update, if it can detect what charger it is.

I don’t believe the BMW wireless charging Matt is QI certified , otherwise it would be an easier fix

I sincerely hope BMW updates their chargers to where they aren't frying pans. Even if the NFC chip doesn't fry, it still can't be good for the battery.

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by Joralemon st.

I sincerely hope BMW updates their chargers to where they aren't frying pans. Even if the NFC chip doesn't fry, it still can't be good for the battery.

Nope, that’s why I just keep a charger in the armrest. Has a higher output then the wireless so charges faster, and it’s not like I need access to my phone when driving anyway ….

[Joralemon st.]

Originally Posted by ramparts

Nope, that’s why I just keep a charger in the armrest. Has a higher output then the wireless so charges faster, and it’s not like I need access to my phone when driving anyway ….

My car didn't have one, I recently got one that was recommended to me from Ali, but I have concerns about it — as my phone is very warm while on the charger.

[EdwardZ4]

Originally Posted by Joralemon st.

Didn't  release a software update to address this?..

As far as I am aware this is still an outstanding issue. Neither Apple nor BMW have released any sort of update to rectify this. I was about to click Buy on the 15 Pro, but am now waiting to see what happens. Don’t want a new phone to fry the moment I put it in my Z4!

[Joralemon st.]

Originally Posted by EdwardZ4

As far as I am aware this is still an outstanding issue. Neither Apple nor BMW have released any sort of update to rectify this. I was about to click Buy on the 15 Pro, but am now waiting to see what happens. Don’t want a new phone to fry the moment I put it in my Z4!

TBH I don't see why BMW needs to comment on an issue that didn't exist before the release of iPhone 15. I don't see them going for this negative PR)

[RichTimpa]

Well again. I’ll ask the question.
Has anyone with a 2021 x5 45e burned out a iPhone 15 pro max or had issues?

Also are there any particular years or models worse then others?

[EdwardZ4]

Originally Posted by RichTimpa

Well again. I’ll ask the question.
Has anyone with a 2021 x5 45e burned out a iPhone 15 pro max or had issues?

Also are there any particular years or models worse then others?

I don’t have an X5, but based on what we know I’d have thought there was a very good chance the X5’s wireless charger would fry the 15 Pro’s NFC chip. Virtually all BMW models are mentioned across various threads online, as they all share the same wireless charger. This includes reports of the latest Supra encountering the same issue, which of course also uses a BMW wireless charger.

[ramparts]

It’s apples fault!

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/10/25...harging-issue/

[StevenDS85]

Important update: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/10/25...86vDi-yznoWt00

Note that ios17.1 does not provide a fix yet!

[OUGrad05]

Originally Posted by Joralemon st.

TBH I don't see why BMW needs to comment on an issue that didn't exist before the release of iPhone 15. I don't see them going for this negative PR)

It's not a BMW problem. It's clearly an Apple problem.

[6SPDG82]

My iPhone became so hot it shut down and cracked the screen. Everything else seems to work fine but I now use a charge cord in the center console.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by ramparts

BMW/Apple are still investigating the issue, no public announcement from either yet, so no confirmation on effected models.

However, given that it only happens with the 15 series, it’s more likely something specific with that hardware. I reckon the placement of the NFC chips has moved internally ( I haven’t had time to compare the ifixit tear downs ), and they are now in a less optimal place for how the charging Matt works.

The difficulty fixing
lies in the charging pad - it isn’t an ECU that is programmable , so unlikely BMW can fix by altering the Amperage output, without changing the physical part ( interestingly, a new revision is going into November onwards builds, but might be for a different reason ).

And it’s probably difficult for apple to fix as a t also can’t control the amperage and therefore heat. I imagine all they will be able to do is disable the wireless charging via an update, if it can detect what charger it is.

I don’t believe the BMW wireless charging Matt is QI certified , otherwise it would be an easier fix

I don’t think it’s isolated to the iPhone 15. I couldn’t charge my iPhone 12 Pro Max on it either because it would become overheated and shut down the phone.

[Joralemon st.]

Originally Posted by OUGrad05

It's not a BMW problem. It's clearly an Apple problem.

Precisely what I was saying

[Joralemon st.]

Originally Posted by ChrisM4

My iPhone became so hot it shut down and cracked the screen. Everything else seems to work fine but I now use a charge cord in the center console.

Whaaaat. You win — I haven't heard for that happen yet. That's just ridiculous.

[porsche]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/28/...ith-iphone-15s


Apple says BMW’s wireless chargers are really messing with iPhone 15

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Joralemon st.

Precisely what I was saying

It's most likely the fault of both companies. I've designed Qi charging circuitry before at work. I suspect the BMW charger is really inefficient and poor AND the iPhone has a protection issue. Apple probably didn't see it in testing because I have come across few wireless chargers as shit as the BMW implementation.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by Joralemon st.

TBH I don't see why BMW needs to comment on an issue that didn't exist before the release of iPhone 15. I don't see them going for this negative PR)

I have an iPhone 12 and every time I use the wireless charger, the phone overheats and shuts down.

[Joralemon st.]

Originally Posted by chris719

It's most likely the fault of both companies. I've designed Qi charging circuitry before at work. I suspect the BMW charger is really inefficient and poor AND the iPhone has a protection issue. Apple probably didn't see it in testing because I have come across few wireless chargers as shit as the BMW implementation.

You're right. Sucks they didn't test this, but then again — it's hard to account for every possibility. I'm just hoping they fix this for the 16.