[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by F87source

That's a concept made by formula planet that someone took and modified, its not the real deal. DRS flap also doesn't have the proper hinges, and front wing adjusters are only on the top element.

Hope you are right, that's awful

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by F87source

...I kind of do want George to win a championship. It would be nice since he had to suffer for the last couple of seasons at the back of the grid in a pretty crap car....

BTW, nice to see you leaning toward picking a favorite driver

Makes F1 so much more fun

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

•I didn't said anything in my post from above . What I said perviously was that currently all the cars are fake F1 cars .

•The first (partly) real thing is for March 12 at Bahrein , and between March 12 and March 20 for the first race at Bahrein , the cars will look different again by new updates .

•The Red Bull RB18 will remain a kind of concept car for the rest of the season , the car will get continuously track specific technological and aero updates for every race track .
And who knows ...A car with a variable ground-effect is perfectly possible !

No I was trying to respond to the text within the screen shot insuating that the leak was real as we will see on Thursday.

All the current cars aren't fake. That is how they launched now, that is how their aero concepts are. They will improve as the days go by but that doesn't mean they're fake. Fake implies nothing will remain the same when the real races start, and the only car that fits that definition is the redbull.


All cars will develop throughout the year and even track to track... That doesn't mean they are a "concept". That's just how f1 works, it's a constant technological battle.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Hope you are right, that's awful

I think it looks good lol, but the nose would be way too low imo. That wouldn't be good for underbody air flow. The williams concerned me in this aspect because all cars launched so far had 4 wing elements with the lowest one being a flow conditioner, the williams didn't look like it had this. There was only a small gap on the lowest element for some air flow. This might mean williams missed this detail and could be bad news for them again. They could've had it in the silverstone shake down but I couldn't see it.

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

BTW, nice to see you leaning toward picking a favorite driver

Makes F1 so much more fun

I mean maybe but not really, still don't care if he wins or loses. I just kinda feel bad a driver of his caliber got stuck in a crap car but that's the extent of it. Still haven't found a driver to cheer for, mostly because the car makes such a huge difference, if you had a great driver you liked but he was stuck in a crap car it would be painful.

So that's what MMA is for, because the fighter alone makes the difference.

[newtorin]

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

HAM gets what he wanted . It's such a shame for motorsports ...

It is a shame for any sport when rules are not followed.

[M5Rick]

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Originally Posted by M5Rick

Hasn't happened yet, they're meeting on Monday to discuss and the speak now is that Fia will be shooting themselves in the foot by giving in to outside pressure in replacing Masi.
Journo Joe Saward has his doubts that it will happen because what reinforces this is the fact that stewards rejected Mercs appeal in Abu dabi.

''They are the official referees of the sport and thus the FIA wants them to be respected '' adds Saward and thus believes it would be unwise to remove Masi from his current position as it would set precedents that would create unhelpful precedents for F1.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Looks too low and obviously a publicity shot to make it look good, not sure about the return of satander bank sponsor it was the worst performing one over here..a bad sign

[MontyB1]

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Originally Posted by M5Rick

''They are the official referees of the sport and thus the FIA wants them to be respected '' adds Saward and thus believes it would be unwise to remove Masi from his current position as it would set precedents that would create unhelpful precedents for F1.

If Masi continues in the same position it will affect the very integrity of the FIA that is being challenged.

The view post meeting is Masi is at least moving position, he is good but not as a race director. Circuit safety pre-race and helping new circuits seems to be more his strength and that could help with live incident remediation but he isn't doing the decisioning.

[M5Rick]

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

If Masi continues in the same position it will affect the very integrity of the FIA that is being challenged.

The view post meeting is Masi is at least moving position, he is good but not as a race director. Circuit safety pre-race and helping new circuits seems to be more his strength and that could help with live incident remediation but he isn't doing the decisioning.

So far that's only speculation, even moving him somewhere else within FIA is a sign of FIA undermining themselves. There may even be two directors it's been suggested, someone joining Masi but we'll see what they say on Monday.

[MontyB1]

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

So far that's only speculation, even moving him somewhere else within FIA is a sign of FIA undermining themselves. There may even be two directors it's been suggested, someone joining Masi but we'll see what they say on Monday.

All news hasn't pointed to that at all. Many are questioning the FIAs integrity in the first place so in essence have little to protect.

Changing him and moving him would sort many peoples issue with the FIA and put reform in for the structure to be used at the races which also seems likely. I don't seem masi going but he will move out of the limelight going into the 2022 season.

[M5Rick]

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Originally Posted by M5Rick

All news hasn't pointed to that at all. Many are questioning the FIAs integrity in the first place so in essence have little to protect.

Changing him and moving him would sort many peoples issue with the FIA and put reform in for the structure to be used at the races which also seems likely. I don't seem masi going but he will move out of the limelight going into the 2022 season.

No not all news and it's just speculation from the ones who say he's got to go.

[Blindside_137]

Reported leak of the new Ferrari. I dig it.

[MontyB1]

Yeah I saw this earlier was about to post it.

Compared to the other cars released so far it looks really dull, the rest of the field so far have upped their game.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Yeah I saw this earlier was about to post it.

Compared to the other cars released so far it looks really dull, the rest of the field so far have upped their game.

It's interesting in some areas like the rear wing, they have that little C cut out to probably allow the high and low pressure areas to mix and create a vortex to either: drop drag, boost underwing air velocity. I am not sure what this one would be for but you can read more about this stuff here: https://www.f1technical.net/features/20279?page=2

So this is an interesting touch if real.



Now the front wing looks ugly as hell and is really low down, not sure about any other details.


The side pods look really wide like the AMR22 but no major under cuts for air flow redirection. So I don't know what that is all about. Generally from what I know you go with a larger side pod design if you want to use that under cut design, otherwise you go wide at the front to build that down wash pressure effect than narrow the coke bottle region like mclaren. I'm no f1 aerodynamacist but I am not sure what ferrari is trying to do, so I look forward to hearing someone like kyle break it down.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

Reported leak of the new Ferrari. I dig it.

I'm not digging the black wings at all

Hope that's not it

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by F87source

I am not sure what ferrari is trying to do...

Welcome to my world :-|

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Welcome to my world :-|

Lol I could be wrong, we don't see any front images and the black blends in really well. But so far I only see a small under cut nothing major like the AMR or even alpha tauri. So idk what they're doing, as from what I know you only go super wide to get those under cuts to channel air where you want it to go. If you don't have the under cuts going super wide all the way past the coke bottle section just compromises the air flow to the rear of the car and diffuser. Like I see a small undercut but nothing major enough to justify these massive side pods. But again I am no aero dynamacist.

So either ferrari is doing something clever that we can't see yet, or they messed up bad and they're going to be stuck in the mid field again. #SF1000 v2

[F87source]

Alpha tauri break down video

We can see al the RB18 goodies on this (shared components atleast). I feel if all the other teams share their cars, redbull must still be struggling with their crash testing certifications, and that's why they haven't showed anything yet.

[F87source]

Williams FW44 break down:

[MontyB1]

I think the best thing that they certainly don’t look like spec cars that some said they would. They all have quite different philosophy’s and it’s going to be interest to see who has got it right.

Ferrari certainly have an updated engine, let’s hope this time they have found any power advantage legally! It was certainly stronger at the end of last season and they apparently have made another step. Engines get locked in a few months so the teams might be trying a few things early on.

As for the Ferrari design, they seem to be directing some of the air over the cover not under and they do appear to be a bit chunky. They are letting air out above the side pots not out of the rear so there is no energising the area above the rear diffuser that some appear to be doing quite strongly even adding extra elements into the flow out. Will have to see some rear shots and from above as it might look different in other shots.

[M5Rick]

I believe its the F1-75 launch today so lets hope it's something that they can check the Merc 13 with.
An F1 friend has said if merc are lagging behind mid season then new regs could be brought in then to support them. It's happened before so I have no reason to doubt it seing how they have got away with their crash proof flex front wing performance (Saudi) and tilt wing rear.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I believe its the F1-75 launch today so lets hope it's something that they can check the Merc 13 with.
An F1 friend has said if merc are lagging behind mid season then new regs could be brought in then to support them. It's happened before so I have no reason to doubt it seing how they have got away with their crash proof flex front wing performance (Saudi) and tilt wing rear.

Mercedes leak ...