[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by Ninong

Tesla was the best selling car in Norway because it doesn't burn fossil fuel and cars that do are very heavily taxed in Norway.

Tesla is being sold worldwide but it is still getting established. It has years to go before it will be in the same category as the established brands. In any case, it's arguing over nothing. Everybody understands that Tesla is a growing brand that has shown remarkable success.

Good luck to Elon Musk and to all of those 250,000 people who hope to see a new Tesla in their garage anytime within the next three years or so. He has promised production will start by the end of 2017 but I haven't seen any promises yet on anticipated annual production.

Amen to that
I would love to see more electric cars on the road regardless of make
Clean, efficient, powerful, luxurious, what's not to like?

Here is another one for fun:

http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...ource=cnnmoney

[David70]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

It's not really subsidy, it's just not taxed as brutal as other cars
I wouldn't call it "help", but more like attractive offer instead

If it makes you feel better the Norway government "helps" consumers by giving them huge tax breaks (when I used to pay taxes on something and now I don't) to buy the Tesla over other types of cars. No matter what you call it, it helps Tesla and tremendously.

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by David70

If it makes you feel better the Norway government "helps" consumers by giving them huge tax breaks (when I used to pay taxes on something and now I don't) to buy the Tesla over other types of cars. No matter what you call it, it helps Tesla and tremendously.

I really dont need to feel any better
I drive the best car, according to Consumer reports
It also happens to be the safest and the quickest in the world
It hauls 6 people, 3 bikes and big stroller, and tows a trailer
It gets 90+mpg and is absolutely amazing
Cheers!

[gnx]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Z5 will be extremely advanced and light for its class its material count will shame certain high end sports cars.
It will also be unique by offering specialised engines with power updates exclusive to this car only. This will be further highlighted by an all new Z5 M. Currently being tested.

Really?

[Matski]

Okay so..

Originally Posted by spmd11

LOL, Tesla is not a global brand? Last time I checked, they are selling models world wide. Check your facts.

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

It's being sold all over the world
What am i missing here?

Originally Posted by phantom701

Not only that, you can also buy right hand driving Tesla in the UK, HK, and other countries.

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

I believe about half cars are being sold abroad
...
I guess I don't get your point

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Bottom line is, Tesla sells a lot abroad in many countries and will continue that

You want to say Tesla is a global brand...

And then,

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Here is another one for fun:

http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...ource=cnnmoney

Here's one for fun then...

Global sales 2015
Tesla ALL Models: 50,580
Mercedes S Class Models only: 107,336

If you're going to promote Tesla as a global brand, and then say how good it's sales are compared to the opposition, then you should really paint the complete global picture.

Not trying to be an anti-Tesla-Fanboy or anything but Tesla is heavily dependent on a single market for the majority of its sales, this is one of the reasons why I can understand that people don't really consider Tesla (or a number of American auto brands) to be a 'global' competitor - traditionally for them the focus has always been the massive domestic market - which is fair enough, but it means lots of the interesting American cars people talk about on the internet don't really exist as a thing on this side of the pond.

[David70]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

I really dont need to feel any better
I drive the best car, according to Consumer reports
It also happens to be the safest and the quickest in the world
It hauls 6 people, 3 bikes and big stroller, and tows a trailer
It gets 90+mpg and is absolutely amazing
Cheers!

Sorry, once they owned one for a while they changed their mind -

Consumer Reports Says Tesla Model S "Not Recommended" on Reliability

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...n-reliability/

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by David70

Sorry, once they owned one for a while they changed their mind -

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...n-reliability/

Funny you mentioned that
Car is still the best they've ever had and it broke their rating scale
Nobody's perfect. Tesla did have some early problems with drive unit and few small items
Those things are long gone
It's not any less reliable than MB or BMW, perhaps even better
I'm on my second one, no visits to service center
You think twin turbo motor was great when it first came out?
The N54, remember?

[David70]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Funny you mentioned that
Car is still the best they've ever had and it broke their rating scale
Nobody's perfect. Tesla did have some early problems with drive unit and few small items
Those things are long gone
It's not any less reliable than MB or BMW, perhaps even better
I'm on my second one, no visits to service center
You think twin turbo motor was great when it first came out?
The N54, remember?

Yes the N54 also had very poor reliability, that I agree on.

The CR report came out in Oct. 15, besides Tesla and owners saying the problems are gone I guess time will tell.

The approximately 1,400 Model S owners surveyed by CR "chronicled an array of detailed and complicated maladies," the organization reports. The most prevalent complaints had to do with squeaks and rattles from the body, but respondents also mentioned issues that required replacement of the car's electric motors. Warping brake rotors and difficulties with the complex, electrically-operated retracting door handles were also mentioned by numerous owners. Other problem areas included inoperable windshield wipers, leaking battery cooling pumps, trunklid alignment, and suspension alignment.

[AndreyATC]

I think we should stop fixating on Tesla and put that effort into having BMW to start producing similar cars with electric drivetrain

[David70]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

I think we should stop fixating on Tesla and put that effort into having BMW to start producing similar cars with electric drivetrain

I think they are still trying to figure out how to make money on them and like virtually every other business unless they can make a decent return on them they aren't very interested. Tesla has gone all in and either electric cars will work or they will go out of business (or what is left will be sold off). No one else is willing to take this risk with an existing, profitable business.

They build electric cars to meet state requirements (they have to), and they will build some low volume cars for R&D projects/PR but spending the type of money Tesla is, all on pure electrics, is too much of a gamble.

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by David70

I think they are still trying to figure out how to make money on them and like virtually every other business unless they can make a decent return on them they aren't very interested. Tesla has gone all in and either electric cars will work or they will go out of business (or what is left will be sold off). No one else is willing to take this risk with an existing, profitable business.

They build electric cars to meet state requirements (they have to), and they will build some low volume cars for R&D projects/PR but spending the type of money Tesla is, all on pure electrics, is too much of a gamble.

Unfortunately it is their mentality at the moment
However, the later they start, the bigger the gap is going to be against other manufacturers who builds electric
It will be harder to compete, since many will have battery tech advantage, plus you have better chance to have cheaper packs if you produce them in volume, not just for checking box next to Gov. requirement
ICE age is going away, the question is when

[Royce Martin]

Screw the Telsa Model 3, I'll still by a "Gas Guzzling" M5/6, X5/6M, Porsche Panamera Turbo S, RS7 before buying that.

I want screeching tires, screaming exhaust and constant visits to the gas station.

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by Royce Martin

Screw the Telsa Model 3, I'll still by a "Gas Guzzling" M5/6, X5/6M, Porsche Panamera Turbo S, RS7 before buying that.

I want screeching tires, screaming exhaust and constant visits to the gas station.

I guess someone has to help with those sales

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by Matski

Okay so..












You want to say Tesla is a global brand...

And then,



Here's one for fun then...

Global sales 2015
Tesla ALL Models: 50,580
Mercedes S Class Models only: 107,336

If you're going to promote Tesla as a global brand, and then say how good it's sales are compared to the opposition, then you should really paint the complete global picture.

Not trying to be an anti-Tesla-Fanboy or anything but Tesla is heavily dependent on a single market for the majority of its sales, this is one of the reasons why I can understand that people don't really consider Tesla (or a number of American auto brands) to be a 'global' competitor - traditionally for them the focus has always been the massive domestic market - which is fair enough, but it means lots of the interesting American cars people talk about on the internet don't really exist as a thing on this side of the pond.

I'm sorry I missed your post...

Thanks for nit picking though

[Royce Martin]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

I guess someone has to help with those sales

One hand washes the other.

[nicknaz]

Aren't there a bunch of LCI coming up, like 328-> 330 and didn't a few just happen like 340 just coming out?

I bet a bunch of people were waiting just a bit longer to get the "latest and greatest" versions.

Not sure how a Telsa that's $100k+ got into this discussion.

I have my deposit in for the $35k commuter version, but at $100k+ I'm getting a gas sports gas.

[Royce Martin]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Aren't there a bunch of LCI coming up, like 328-> 330 and didn't a few just happen like 340 just coming out?

I bet a bunch of people were waiting just a bit longer to get the "latest and greatest" versions.

Not sure how a Telsa that's $100k+ got into this discussion.

I have my deposit in for the $35k commuter version, but at $100k+ I'm getting a gas sports gas.

Makes much more sense, eletric cars are great dailys.

[Matski]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

I'm sorry I missed your post...

Thanks for nit picking though

Don't be.. I'm just sorry I read yours.

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by rjd598

i noticed that too. what's wrong with it? i mean if i could afford it i would swoop up on an m6 coupe or gc.

but that's the problem...the M car is probably a fraction of the entire 6 series sales.
I'm sure the take on the M6 is pretty high...but the rest of the 6-series line up is a dud.

Seriously though, who wants a $100k 5000 lb boat with no rear seat room? In SF, I can count on 1 hand how many 6-series I've seen in the last 3 months...and that's really telling in one of the hottest markets. I imagine also similar dismal sales for the A7, and CLS cars as well. I just dont' think the cars are that attractive (aside from the asthetic design)

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

but that's the problem...the M car is probably a fraction of the entire 6 series sales.
I'm sure the take on the M6 is pretty high...but the rest of the 6-series line up is a dud.

Seriously though, who wants a $100k 5000 lb boat with no rear seat room? In SF, I can count on 1 hand how many 6-series I've seen in the last 3 months...and that's really telling in one of the hottest markets. I imagine also similar dismal sales for the A7, and CLS cars as well. I just dont' think the cars are that attractive (aside from the asthetic design)

good points made. i never really thought about it like that. i'm so blinded by the M

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by rjd598

good points made. i never really thought about it like that. i'm so blinded by the M

good news is, from these figures, you can probably see where most of the dealer discounts are going to be (and by extention where the private party pre-owned sale discounts as well).

I too love the M6 GC, but every time I get past the aethetic design...I'm just not impressed by the rest of the features. Major knock is the weight and size of the car. I feel like the F80 M3 is just a much better car overall than the M6.

On the other hand, I'm quite happy to see the X5's sales taking a hit. Around 2018, I'm looking to upgrade from my E70 X5d to another SUV. And a pre-owned F15 X5d likely will have attractive pricing by then.

Problem is, I'm kind of bored of the BMW brand now. I might just go with a Cayenne SEH at that point.

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

good news is, from these figures, you can probably see where most of the dealer discounts are going to be (and by extention where the private party pre-owned sale discounts as well).

I too love the M6 GC, but every time I get past the aethetic design...I'm just not impressed by the rest of the features. Major knock is the weight and size of the car. I feel like the F80 M3 is just a much better car overall than the M6.

On the other hand, I'm quite happy to see the X5's sales taking a hit. Around 2018, I'm looking to upgrade from my E70 X5d to another SUV. And a pre-owned F15 X5d likely will have attractive pricing by then.

Problem is, I'm kind of bored of the BMW brand now. I might just go with a Cayenne SEH at that point.

funny you mention this. i have no idea why, but the current gen x5 has really caught my attention. i just leased an f30, but i'm already contemplating what my next car will be and honestly the x5m is fitting the bill so nicely.

thoughts? i want the m for sure because of the performance. after only two weeks with my 328i i'm itching for something more "fun". love the car and it does exactly what i want it to do, but miss driving something fun and luxurious at the same time hence why i've been drooling over the x5m.