[IMMLaw]

Originally Posted by Divexxtreme

So which one is your friend? The cars are owned by two different people.

He's driving the vette and is still keeping his Viper (on top of his new Ford Raptor and another car he just purchased lol)... he's livin the dream!

[Divexxtreme]

Originally Posted by IMMLaw

He's driving the vette and is still keeping his Viper (on top of his new Ford Raptor and another car he just purchased lol)... he's livin the dream!

Ah, nspec. That's not his Viper in the video, however. That Viper belongs to nineball (Tony).

[Dethred]

Originally Posted by Groundpilot

Viper is on another level? Heavy z06? Looks like you are happy about that video where vipers beat new z06 in grag racing.
Just wait a little till that lean tune is fixed, then see your viper raped everywere, especially on the road course where it counts the most..

Are you talking about the same tune that GM has said is by design, and modifying the stock map will void your brand new car's warranty? Sounds ideal to me. If you have to void the warranty to make it perform how a 650hp car should, why not buy a cheaper car, modify it, then at least when you have problems it'll be cheaper to fix?

[Groundpilot]

Originally Posted by Dethred

Are you talking about the same tune that GM has said is by design, and modifying the stock map will void your brand new car's warranty? Sounds ideal to me. If you have to void the warranty to make it perform how a 650hp car should, why not buy a cheaper car, modify it, then at least when you have problems it'll be cheaper to fix?

I dont disagree with you. Looks like GM is going to lose guys who like to take their high performance cars to the track. On the other hand, why would anyone pay $100K for a sports car that is not track capable

[Divexxtreme]

Stock Viper TA vs Huracan, 458 Italia, 650whp '15 Mustang and 580whp H/C C6 Z06:

[krnnerdboy]

Originally Posted by Groundpilot

I dont disagree with you. Looks like GM is going to lose guys who like to take their high performance cars to the track. On the other hand, why would anyone pay $100K for a sports car that is not track capable

I'm in that boat, but luckily/strategically dodge dropped the price on the viper at the same time. And it looks like it exceeds all expectations I had for the c7z.

In other ironic news, I'm surprised the z06 is having heat soak issues over a few laps while my f80 is having no issues at track events and having a cold to the touch intercooler after a session!

[krnnerdboy]

To the viper owners,

Any info on financing? I'm seeing a couple people who got 0% financing on their 14's. I would like to know before stepping foot on dealer lots. I hate dodge dealers....

[elitex]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

To the viper owners,

Any info on financing? I'm seeing a couple people who got 0% financing on their 14's. I would like to know before stepping foot on dealer lots. I hate dodge dealers....

Not sure about 0%. I would have my own financing lined up before walking in. See if they beat it.

[krnnerdboy]

Originally Posted by elitex

Not sure about 0%. I would have my own financing lined up before walking in. See if they beat it.

Thanks. I have 1.9% but 0 would mean freeee and there's a lot I would do with that ! Apparently there is no finance incentives from the manufacturer for so cal.

Hopefully I'll make it out tomorrow. I've bought a few cars without test driving but I'm going to need to love it for it to replace my 997 gt3.

[Dethred]

Originally Posted by Groundpilot

Viper is on another level? Heavy z06? Looks like you are happy about that video where vipers beat new z06 in grag racing.
Just wait a little till that lean tune is fixed, then see your viper raped everywere, especially on the road course where it counts the most..

Hahahahahahahahahaha.


Hahahahahahahaha.

I definitely recommend waiting until that tune, which GM has acknowledged as an intentional feature to preserve the car's reliability, is solved. Obviously it's not going to be "solved" by GM, because in order to solve something there has to be an acknowledged problem. Clearly the only option will be to void your entire powertrain warranty just to have a car that doesn't fall on its face after a few short laps.

Maybe it's just me, but the following equation is not ideal:
(GM vehicle) + (650hp) - (warranty) =

[gmd2003]

Corvette magazine just tested the new Z06 and got 10.8@133 . Looks like the one in the first test was having issues . Drive extreme, sort of like the first Viper tested that lost to the old ZR-1 . That's quicker and faster than any stock viper .

[Divexxtreme]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Corvette magazine just tested the new Z06 and got 10.8@133 . Looks like the one in the first test was having issues . Drive extreme, sort of like the first Viper tested that lost to the old ZR-1 . That's quicker and faster than any stock viper .

Negative. Unfortunately, that information is not correct. Corvette magazine did not say they ran that time, nor has any other magazine. Ever.

What you are referring to is a post made by a member on Corvette forum who said that was the time his father told him that he had read in the magazine. However, multiple posters with the same issue of the same Corvette magazine confirmed that the person was mistaken. You can read the entire thread here: http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...st-of-z06.html

What was actually written in the magazine is as follows; ".....we could not match GM's dragstrip numbers, which were recorded on a prepped track on a 65-degree day. Our best with the stick was a corrected 11.56 at 126.14, not far off GM's 11.2/127 prediction for a seven-speed." Not that these numbers match what private owners of C7 Z's have also ran (in perfect winter temperatures), mid-11's @ 124-126.

Further, the magazine also wrote this; "Downside? The blower gets insanely hot and takes forever to cool down. Even after putting two bags of ice on top of it for 20 minutes, the supercharger was too hot to touch. Heat soak is a serious hindrance to track performance".

Merry Christmas!

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Divexxtreme

Negative. Unfortunately, that information is not correct. Corvette magazine did not say they ran that time, nor has any other magazine. Ever.

What you are referring to is a post made by a member on Corvette forum who said that was the time his father told him that he had read in the magazine. However, multiple posters with the same issue of the same Corvette magazine confirmed that the person was mistaken. You can read the entire thread here: http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...st-of-z06.html

What was actually written in the magazine is as follows; ".....we could not match GM's dragstrip numbers, which were recorded on a prepped track on a 65-degree day. Our best with the stick was a corrected 11.56 at 126.14, not far off GM's 11.2/127 prediction for a seven-speed." Not that these numbers match what private owners of C7 Z's have also ran (in perfect winter temperatures), mid-11's @ 124-126.

Further, the magazine also wrote this; "Downside? The blower gets insanely hot and takes forever to cool down. Even after putting two bags of ice on top of it for 20 minutes, the supercharger was too hot to touch. Heat soak is a serious hindrance to track performance".

Merry Christmas!

Im pretty sure that quote was from the Car and Driver test and the times and testing location are from road Atlanta and are identical to that as well . Did you actually see the article ? Apparently someone just made shit up . At any rate a stock power c7 Z51 on PSS has run 11.3@ 123 at the strip , so we will see 10's and 130's when customers get to the strip . You're dislike of the C7 based on 1 test , is very similar to what you were upset about with the Viper .

[Divexxtreme]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Im pretty sure that quote was from the Car and Driver test and the times and testing location are from road Atlanta and are identical to that as well . Did you actually see the article ? Apparently someone just made shit up .

Correct. Someone made this shit up, and the quote was essentially the same as what was already posted in Car and Driver. If you took 5 minutes to read the thread at the link I posted (meaning do some actual research into your post), you would understand more clearly what happened instead of blindly grasping at straws.

At any rate a stock power c7 Z51 on PSS has run 11.3@ 123 at the strip , so we will see 10's and 130's when customers get to the strip .

C7 Z06 customers have already been to the strip. This guy ran a best of 11.5 @ 124 in winter for godsakes! http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...ast-night.html

Not only that, but stock Viper TAs have run 10.9 and trapped 132 without power-shifting in 1000' DA, and they have the most aero (drag) of the current Viper models. Whatever. C7 Z06s pull timing due to inferior cooling and overly-sensitive ECUs that GM has already stated they won't fix. C7 Z51s, however, are much lighter than the 3550 lb Z06, and they don't have heat-soak or ECU issues. They are proving to be much better cars. I do expect auto C7 Zs to run good E.Ts (because they're autos), but that won't save them from losing 100 hp in summer temps once the car gets hot. Serious track work in the new Z06 in hot environments is going be horribly difficult, if not impossible.

There are C7 Z owners who have already lost races to stock C6 Z06s and stock 997.2 Turbos, so the car that was supposed to a "world-beater" seems to be getting it's ass handed to it all over the place. These are the reasons I dislike the car; it's poorly designed, overhyped, and it continually underperforms in the hands of both magazine editors and actual owners. It is pretty, though.

You're dislike of the C7 based on 1 test , is very similar to what you were upset about with the Viper.

Not similar at all. SRT gave the magazines a pre-production car to test (bugs not worked out yet). Dumb move on their part and they paid for it. But the post-productions Vipers are good to go, which is really what matters. Conversely, GM gave the magazines some post-production cars to test, you know, the ones with all the bugs already worked out, and all of them had the same issues that owners are now experiencing; ECUs pulling timing and losing massive amounts of power, trans and oil temps lights coming on, going into limp mode, etc. They haven't released a Nurburgring time yet, even though they had multiple Z06s (not just the one that crashed) at the 'ring for almost a month. Many people, including myself, think it's because it ended up running slower times than the ZR1, and potentially the C6 Z06 as well. The car has justifiably become a laughing stock all over the internet to anyone who isn't wearing fanboi Corvette blinders.

Enjoy your evening.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Divexxtreme

Correct. Someone made this shit up, and the quote was essentially the same as what was already posted in Car and Driver. If you took 5 minutes to read the thread at the link I posted (meaning do some actual research into your post), you would understand more clearly what happened instead of blindly grasping at straws.

C7 Z06 customers have already been to the strip. This guy ran a best of 11.5 @ 124 in winter for godsakes! http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...ast-night.html

Not only that, but stock Vipers have run 10.9 @ 132 without power-shifting on 1000' DA. Whatever. C7 Z06s pull timing due to inferior cooling and overly-sensitive ECUs that GM has already stated they won't fix. Further, C7 Z51s are much lighter than the 3550 lb Z06, and they don't have heat-soak or ECU issues. I do expect auto C7 Zs to run good E.Ts (because they're autos), but that won't save them from losing 100 hp in summer temps once the car gets hot. Serious track work in the new Z06 in hot environments is going be horribly difficult, if not impossible.

There are C7 Z owners who have already lost races to stock C6 Z06s and stock 997.2 Turbos, so the car that was supposed to a worlkd-beater seems to be getting it's ass handed to it all over the place. These are the reasons I dislike the car; it's poorly designed, overhyped, and it continually underperforms in the hands of both magazine editors and actual owners. It is pretty, though.

Not similar at all. SRT gave the magazines a pre-production car to test (bugs not worked out yet). Dumb move on their part and they paid for it. But the post-productions Vipers are good to go, which is really what matters. Conversely, GM gave the magazines some post-production cars to test, you know, the ones with all the bugs already worked out, and all of them had the same issues that owners are now experiencing; ECUs pulling timing and losing massive amounts of power, trans and oil temps lights coming on, going into limp mode, etc. They haven't released a Nurburgring time yet, even though they had multiple Z06s (not just the one that crashed) at the 'ring for almost a month. Most people think it's because it ended up being slower than the ZR1, and potentially the C6 Z06 as well. The car has justifiably become a laughing stock all over the internet to anyone who isn't wearing fanboi Corvette blinders.

Enjoy your evening.

I read the thread you linked and it has zero useful additional information . Several people passed off quotes and times from the Car and driver test as a new test . The time and trap you linked is God awful , but as you know you have to drive cars to be fast . There has been one magazine test period , using a car that they mentioned was having issues . Do you really think a car with SAE 650hp/tq will trap consistently 124mph . It's ok to not like the car but you know that won't be the case . For the record I don't like Chevy or Dodge particularly . I've just seen amazing lap times out of the C7 z51 chassis at local NASA events, and being an enthusiast appreciate what they have done with it .as good as the Lt-1 is and how it responds to boost , multiple C7's are trapping 140's supercharged , I don't see how these numbers can be the norm .

[Divexxtreme]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

I read the thread you linked and it has zero useful additional information . Several people passed off quotes and times from the Car and driver test as a new test .

You obviously didn't read the thread. I'll make it easier for you:

In the thread that I linked, people who had the newest issue of Corvette magazine in their hands were posting that Corvette magazine themselves quoted the same times as Car and Driver's previous test, and that nowhere in the magazine is there any mention of a 10.8 @ 133 run. That information is wrong. The car never ran that time. End of story.

There has been one magazine test period , using a car that they mentioned was having issues .

There have been at least 9 tests of the Z06. Not one. I'm tired of doing your research for you, but once again I find myself doing it. Here is link to the 9 different tests. http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2014/...-corvette-z06/

Do you really think a car with SAE 650hp/tq will trap consistently 124mph.

The car does NOT make 650 hp when it gets hot. It loses power, and it even does it in winter! That's what timing being pulled by the ECU means. Add the fact that it weighs 3550 lbs, and that's why it's underperforming. GM has already confirmed that the ECU pulls timing (decreases power) to protect the engine, and they have also stated they aren't going to fix it. This leaves owners two choices: leave the car as is, or install an aftermarket tune which will void your warranty. It's a $100k car loaded. Neither of these options are acceptable.

It's ok to not like the car but you know that won't be the case . For the record I don't like Chevy or Dodge particularly .

This has nothing to do with liking or disliking a brand. I owned a C7 Z51 before my Viper and had a C7 Z on order. I wanted to like it, but because of the issues that I've mentioned over and over again, it's become a sub-par vehicle to me and many, many others at this point.

I've just seen amazing lap times out of the C7 z51 chassis at local NASA events, and being an enthusiast appreciate what they have done with it .as good as the Lt-1 is and how it responds to boost , multiple C7's are trapping 140's supercharged , I don't see how these numbers can be the norm

Because GM used a undersized roots-style blower for the Z06 which creates a massive amount of heat. Now introduce an inferior cooling system, then top it off with a ECU that pulls timing within a few minutes, and you have a car goes from 650 hp to 550'ish hp when driving it hard.

They took a wonderful C7 chassis and ruined it by adding a massive amount of weight and a horribly deigned supercharger system with a overly-sensitive ECU. Had they simply stuck with a high-powered and reliable N/A motor and kept the car light (like a Viper), it might just be the world-beater is was supposed to be.

[krnnerdboy]

I leave this for you to digest

http://nineballgarage.wordpress.com/...ellcat-vs-zr1/

[Revcrazy]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

I leave this for you to digest

http://nineballgarage.wordpress.com/...ellcat-vs-zr1/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://nineballgarag...at-vs-zr1/</a>

Wow impressive stuff. New z06 isn't all that fast given the numbers. I believe there are several 997.2 turbo S' that put down faster times and better traps with a lot less hp and torque.

[NorCal f80]

Originally Posted by Revcrazy

Wow impressive stuff. New z06 isn't all that fast given the numbers. I believe there are several 997.2 turbo S' that put down faster times and better traps with a lot less hp and torque.

I'm guessing street tires are killing the numbers.

[krnnerdboy]

Originally Posted by 0-100 real quick

I'm guessing street tires are killing the numbers.

They had 2 z06's with drag radials. Times fell but traps stayed....


The z06 failed when hey announced automatic and convertible models. It gained weight and is no longer what the c5 & c6 z06's were. I would consider this model a gransport not a z06

Perhaps the c7 z51 pack is what enthusiasts really want?

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Divexxtreme

You obviously didn't read the thread. I'll make it easier for you:

In the thread that I linked, people who had the newest issue of Corvette magazine in their hands were posting that Corvette magazine themselves quoted the same times as Car and Driver's previous test, and that nowhere in the magazine is there any mention of a 10.8 @ 133 run. That information is wrong. The car never ran that time. End of story.

There have been at least 9 tests of the Z06. Not one. I'm tired of doing your research for you, but once again I find myself doing it. Here is link to the 9 different tests. http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2014/...-corvette-z06/" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.corvetteb...vette-z06/</a>

The car does NOT make 650 hp when it gets hot. It loses power, and it even does it in winter! That's what timing being pulled by the ECU means. Add the fact that it weighs 3550 lbs, and that's why it's underperforming. GM has already confirmed that the ECU pulls timing (decreases power) to protect the engine, and they have also stated they aren't going to fix it. This leaves owners two choices: leave the car as is, or install an aftermarket tune which will void your warranty. It's a $100k car loaded. Neither of these options are acceptable.

This has nothing to do with liking or disliking a brand. I owned a C7 Z51 before my Viper and had a C7 Z on order. I wanted to like it, but because of the issues that I've mentioned over and over again, it's become a sub-par vehicle to me and many, many others at this point.

Because GM used a undersized roots-style blower for the Z06 which creates a massive amount of heat. Now introduce an inferior cooling system, then top it off with a ECU that pulls timing within a few minutes, and you have a car goes from 650 hp to 550'ish hp when driving it hard.

They took a wonderful C7 chassis and ruined it by adding a massive amount of weight and a horribly deigned supercharger system with a overly-sensitive ECU. Had they simply stuck with a high-powered and reliable N/A motor and kept the car light (like a Viper), it might just be the world-beater is was supposed to be.

Z06 sets VIR Grand Course production car record with lead engineer driving 2:41 seconds . 8 seconds faster than the TA's Lightning lap, and 2 seconds faster than the 918 LL on the same course . Peak speed is no faster than 150mph because of the downforce with the Z07 package , so it's all cornering .

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[alms21]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Z06 sets VIR Grand Course production car record with lead engineer driving . 8 seconds faster than the TA's Lightning lap, and 2 seconds faster than the 918 on the same course . Peak speed is no faster than 150mph because of the downforce with the Z07 package , so it's all cornering .

You mean 2:41 not 7:41