[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by JP720

Am I the only one who doesn't want a future doctor smoking weed?

What's your logic behind that exactly? Moral? Legal?

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by JP720

Am I the only one who doesn't want a future doctor smoking weed?

You live in CO, I guarantee your doctors smoke and you don't know it.

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

If you're going to carry in a car, I would suggest a titanium Space Case capsule. $25 and crush proof, water proof, air proof, and smell proof.

I still think a dog would find it, first rule when driving with bud should always be drive as safe as possible. I use to drive around with nugs all the time, its imperative you obey all traffic laws, cant be giving the police any reason to pull you over. Good luck OP

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

I still think a dog would find it, first rule when driving with bud should always be drive as safe as possible. I use to drive around with nugs all the time, its imperative you obey all traffic laws, cant be giving the police any reason to pull you over. Good luck OP

Most dogs aren't super accurate, so I bet it wouldn't find it. Cops in my experience will make it seem like the dog has found something, and scare you into telling them what they don't know.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

Most dogs aren't super accurate, so I bet it wouldn't find it. Cops in my experience will make it seem like the dog has found something, and scare you into telling them what they don't know.

Very true, there is a website out there of a retired Texas Ranger who use to run drug enforcement with a K9 and he now helps people beat their drug cases. He has stated on his website that any K9 Officer knows how to make the dog react so it makes it look like they found some to give the police the PC to conduct a full search of the property.

If you notice the officer who has the K9 never does the search, they walk the dog around then tell the other officer the dog responded which now gives the other officer the PC to proceed with a search. Again done for a reason.

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by Maestro

Very true, there is a website out there of a retired Texas Ranger who use to run drug enforcement with a K9 and he now helps people beat their drug cases. He has stated on his website that any K9 Officer knows how to make the dog react so it makes it look like they found some to give the police the PC to conduct a full search of the property.

If you notice the officer who has the K9 never does the search, they walk the dog around then tell the other officer the dog responded which now gives the other officer the PC to proceed with a search. Again done for a reason.

Luckily I'm not naive and when he made the dog sit, and moved his hand up and down to make it bark, I just smiled when he said "Look at that, he's found somehting, better tell me where itis now".

I just smiled and waited until he was finished finding nothing.

[Templar]

Originally Posted by Luong

So... we got pix of said girl yet?

Out of all the bullshit "legal advice" people are giving the OP, finally a gem appears!

+10000

[JP720]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

What's your logic behind that exactly? Moral? Legal?

Well think about it, I don't want to go to a doctor who spent most of their med school high and might not retain as much information as the guy who paid attention and studied hard and didn't do drugs.

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

You live in CO, I guarantee your doctors smoke and you don't know it.

Active Duty Army... I go to the military hospital where all staff members are randomly drug tested. Sure a few slip through the cracks but when an E1 comes in to draw your blood and he has a combat patch you know he got busted for something and can get a new staff member to come in.


I've seen pot ruin soldiers lives. One went from an E5 Sgt to an E1 PVT in 2 days because he got busted for possession on post. The Army has a no tolerance policy so even though pot may be legal for medicinal use in the state of Colorado the military still follows the FDA drug schedule which classifies pot as a Class 1 Narcotic with no medicinal uses and a high risk of dependency. My unit has 100% tests done every month and when people fail (which rarely happens in my unit) they get punished harshly. They take rank, pay, restrict you to post (even if you are married and live off post they will find you a barracks room to stay in). Maybe I'm just getting old but I don't think illegal drug use should be condoned because "everyone's doing it" or "it's only pot". It's illegal for a reason. Maybe I just hold myself to a higher standard...

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by JP720

Well think about it, I don't want to go to a doctor who spent most of their med school high and might not retain as much information as the guy who paid attention and studied hard and didn't do drugs.

Active Duty Army... I go to the military hospital where all staff members are randomly drug tested. Sure a few slip through the cracks but when an E1 comes in to draw your blood and he has a combat patch you know he got busted for something and can get a new staff member to come in.


I've seen pot ruin soldiers lives. One went from an E5 Sgt to an E1 PVT in 2 days because he got busted for possession on post. The Army has a no tolerance policy so even though pot may be legal for medicinal use in the state of Colorado the military still follows the FDA drug schedule which classifies pot as a Class 1 Narcotic with no medicinal uses and a high risk of dependency. My unit has 100% tests done every month and when people fail (which rarely happens in my unit) they get punished harshly. They take rank, pay, restrict you to post (even if you are married and live off post they will find you a barracks room to stay in). Maybe I'm just getting old but I don't think illegal drug use should be condoned because "everyone's doing it" or "it's only pot". It's illegal for a reason. Maybe I just hold myself to a higher standard...

Tell me, why is it illegal?

[JP720]

In the military or in general?

It is illegal in the Armed Forces because the FDA has classified it as a Schedule 1 Drug under the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 which has no medicinal uses and a high risk of dependency and since the Military is Federal Service under the Department of Defense and Federal Laws trump State Laws it makes pot illegal for all Federal employees, DOD, DOJ, ect.

In general, drugs must meet three criteria in order to be placed in Schedule I:
The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

In 1970, Congress placed cannabis into Schedule I on the advice of Assistant Secretary of Health Roger O. Egeberg.

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by JP720

In the military or in general?

It is illegal in the Armed Forces because the FDA has classified it as a Schedule 1 Drug under the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 which has no medicinal uses and a high risk of dependency and since the Military is Federal Service under the Department of Defense and Federal Laws trump State Laws it makes pot illegal for all Federal employees, DOD, DOJ, ect.

In general, drugs must meet three criteria in order to be placed in Schedule I:
The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

In 1970, Congress placed cannabis into Schedule I on the advice of Assistant Secretary of Health Roger O. Egeberg.

No, it was initially made illegal because of the invention of Nylon. The release of "Reefer Madness" also sparked peoples ignorant opinion of a drug that has never killed, nor caused an overdose. It's not addicting, and has been proven to provide benefits in medical treatment, including reduce cancer.

Common misconceptions from ignorant minds are what fuels the war against marijuana.

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

You live in CO, I guarantee your doctors smoke and you don't know it.

Yup,According to Peter Tosh, doctors smoke it...

[youngnastyman]

Originally Posted by JP720

Am I the only one who doesn't want a future doctor smoking weed?

I understand your concern, but show me one proven study that shows that smoking hinders your capability to learn or retain information more than someone who is clean? Furthermore, you're concerned about students smoking but not the 90% of college students that are abusing drugs like Aderol to cram for tests? In my eyes aderol is 100x worse than weed. I was given a prescription for it, took it twice and threw the bottle away. And I'll tell you that stuff is whack and it is def. worse for your body and your mental facilities than the green dragon. Yea sure you'll cram and study and pass a test - but will it make you retain that information?

Not to mention the 99.99% of the college population that engages in binge drinking throughout their college careers. What about them? You think med students don't do this either?

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by JP720

Well think about it, I don't want to go to a doctor who spent most of their med school high and might not retain as much information as the guy who paid attention and studied hard and didn't do drugs.



Active Duty Army... I go to the military hospital where all staff members are randomly drug tested. Sure a few slip through the cracks but when an E1 comes in to draw your blood and he has a combat patch you know he got busted for something and can get a new staff member to come in.


I've seen pot ruin soldiers lives. One went from an E5 Sgt to an E1 PVT in 2 days because he got busted for possession on post. The Army has a no tolerance policy so even though pot may be legal for medicinal use in the state of Colorado the military still follows the FDA drug schedule which classifies pot as a Class 1 Narcotic with no medicinal uses and a high risk of dependency. My unit has 100% tests done every month and when people fail (which rarely happens in my unit) they get punished harshly. They take rank, pay, restrict you to post (even if you are married and live off post they will find you a barracks room to stay in). Maybe I'm just getting old but I don't think illegal drug use should be condoned because "everyone's doing it" or "it's only pot". It's illegal for a reason. Maybe I just hold myself to a higher standard...

Well if you're in an environment with a zero tolerance policy, there's nothing wrong with not using it. Like has been mentioned, when I see a study that proves a student who smokes in college is adversely affected by it specifically years down the road when they're in their career field, I'll bow to that theory, but until then, MJ just makes the smoker in question temporarily really stupid and oafish while under the direct influence.

Nobody should buy into the "everybody is doing it" mentality. No one. That's never a good reason to do anything. However, it is very hard to make a solid case that marijuana is as detrimental to human health and human society as it is treated by law.... There are reasons pot is illegal, and none of those reasons make any medical or societal sense.

It's ok to hold yourself to a "higher standard", but you do realize that this "standard" is simply something created by laws in our country, arguably based on fallacies. Still, even when it does become legal, there's nothing wrong with taking the moral high ground and not bowing to it. You can hold yourself to higher personal standards if you so choose, but when one has all the facts in front of them about the affects of MJ on the body and society, it really makes you wonder how it could be illegal, especially when it is its legal standing which causes the most heinous events surrounding the drug itself (i.e. cartels and stuff, the cost of prosecuting people for just marijuana, etc...).... It's a cash cow in waiting. I think once the fuddy-duddy generation dies off or stops caring, we'll see it legalized in a very controlled manner. When that happens, you'll still be able to choose either to use it or not.

....and then of course there's the argument about MJ vs alcohol or MJ versus Asprin, etc.... On paper, it's pretty harmless. Would I want someone on the road driving when they're high? Hell no, but I don't want someone on the road when they're drunk either. Just like everything else, common sense and moderation on the user side is key.

BTW, I know what you're talking about with peoples' lives being ruined in the military because of that stuff. When I was in, I saw plenty of people crash and burn because of it. However, I can't blame that on marijuana at all. Shit bags will be shit bags and if they were smoking the shit, I bet there was all kinds of other shit they were doing, or would have been doing had they not embraced the ganja.

[Templar]

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

No, it was initially made illegal because of the invention of Nylon. The release of "Reefer Madness" also sparked peoples ignorant opinion of a drug that has never killed, nor caused an overdose. It's not addicting, and has been proven to provide benefits in medical treatment, including reduce cancer.

Common misconceptions from ignorant minds are what fuels the war against marijuana.

Inhaling a fire-burned substance reduces risk of cancer?

Smoke itself is a carcinogen, no matter what the source because of the way the substances are being burned. Most of the time it has little to do with the substance itself, although some substances (like tobacco) add to the effect. I could stand outside and light a bonfire and inhale the smoke from the wood and it will increase my risk of cancer, even if it's only slightly.

I agree with you that the drug itself has never killed anyone or caused an overdose, never has and never will, but firing up a blunt IMO is the same as smoking a cigarrette, albeit with less artificial bullshit in the blunt.

And before you get all bent out of shape and start flaming me, I'm not an advocate of pot being illegal, I think it's stupid that it's illegal (might as well make booze illegal again or cigarrettes). But smoking weed doesn't reduce your risk of cancer completely... I will say it's less likely to get cancer from smoking weed than smoking cigs though, because of all the junk in tobacco and the cigs themselves. Pretty sure they've done some studies on this, and they showed that while there is a risk of cancer from smoking weed, it's much smaller than the risk of cancer from smoking cigs.

Guess it depends on what we're talking about doing too, smoking a blunt, or digesting it, or in a bong, whatever... All have different effects.

[ragingclue]

^^^ Yeah to say it's harmless is not true at all.

To say it's harmless compared to other vices which are legal is true.

[Q4P]

[MadDog]

I'd better have some I think it's getting cold....

[youngnastyman]

from what i understand - the benefit of MJ for cancer patients is that it reduces the nausea effects caused by chemotherapy. not that it cures/reduces cancer, just makes the treatment more bearable.

[Templar]

Originally Posted by youngnastyman

from what i understand - the benefit of MJ for cancer patients is that it reduces the nausea effects caused by chemotherapy. not that it cures/reduces cancer, just makes the treatment more bearable.

Yep, agree.

My post was way OT anyway, lol.

Sorry for your troubles bro, but you still owe us pics of the girl

[CollinsE90]

Marijuana has been proven to slightly reduce cancer in many instances. It also helps with nausea, and appetite but that's common knowledge.

There has been no proof that MJ causes cancer at all. It's a carcinogen but not until it is inhaled, but tent haven't found proof of it causing it.

There is no legit reason to outlaw it, and I can disprove any argument with facts. It's just getting ignorant people to read about it is the hard part.

[CollinsE90]

Increased heart rate, loss of short term memory temporarily, brain function decrease temporarily are all side effects.

But those are present in alcohol too.