[mmmmQuattro]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

The 997 is what 15 years old now? A car that was developed in the early 2000s should be all you need to know. I prefer my 991.2S, my 718 GTS and even my Macan GTS over either my M3 or M4 that I owned - they are fun at any speed whereas the M cars aren’t even really fun driving fast because you have to hear the god awful sound of the thing. I don’t get the feeling that the current M cars are special...at least not comparably. The old Ms had engines that were great when they were high revving but in the turbo world, they don’t do it for me.
Porsches current line up continues to be some of, if not the best, cars on the market.

I get it - you prefer Porsches and I would agree that the F8X cars from factory could / should sound better, but it's an easy fix.

However, the S55 engine is better than the Macan's or the 997.
More responsive, more power and revs higher.

You can't say that the F8X doesn't rev - it's got a higher redline than the Macan or the 997.
M4: 7,800 vs 997: 7,500 vs Macan: 6,800.

So when you say "The old Ms had engines that were great when they were high revving but in the turbo world, they don’t do it for me."
Did you even get it out of Efficiency mode?


The real point is that many Porsche fanatics have been disappointed with the 991 and some with the 992.
I know of a couple in my home town that have cancelled their orders on new 992's and are looking for 997 GT3's.

The 992 looks great, but it's no longer true to the 911's of old.

[sausage4]

Originally Posted by mmmmQuattro

I get it - you prefer Porsches and I would agree that the F8X cars from factory could / should sound better, but it's an easy fix.

However, the S55 engine is better than the Macan's or the 997.
More responsive, more power and revs higher.

You can't say that the F8X doesn't rev - it's got a higher redline than the Macan or the 997.
M4: 7,800 vs 997: 7,500 vs Macan: 6,800.

So when you say "The old Ms had engines that were great when they were high revving but in the turbo world, they don’t do it for me."
Did you even get it out of Efficiency mode?


The real point is that many Porsche fanatics have been disappointed with the 991 and some with the 992.
I know of a couple in my home town that have cancelled their orders on new 992's and are looking for 997 GT3's.

The 992 looks great, but it's no longer true to the 911's of old.

The s55 is a mediocre turbo engine at best , sure it can rev out to 7800 ( more like 7500 ) but power starts dropping at 6500 ,so you’re reving it out for no reason.

S55 is a better motor than a macan ,I’ll give you that. I disagree that s55 is better than 997 , your argument was that the s55 made more power? Try driving a 997.2 and see ,that an f8x does not compare to a 911 period regardless ,regardless of the numbers on paper. For example s55 makes more power than 991.2 ,yet its slower by quite a margin.

Why do you say a 992 is no longer a 911?

[Alfisti]

I just think they are different cars. I could daily an M car but would prefer to keep dailying my Saab and add a 997 911 S. The whole no turbo thing is huge, so much more of a visceral experience.

I'd consider the previous M3 with a screaming V8 as a daily to run just one car but a) they are hideously expensive to run and b) the vert (my toy car must be a vert) weighs like 4,000 pounds.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by mmmmQuattro

I get it - you prefer Porsches and I would agree that the F8X cars from factory could / should sound better, but it's an easy fix.

However, the S55 engine is better than the Macan's or the 997.
More responsive, more power and revs higher.

You can't say that the F8X doesn't rev - it's got a higher redline than the Macan or the 997.
M4: 7,800 vs 997: 7,500 vs Macan: 6,800.

So when you say "The old Ms had engines that were great when they were high revving but in the turbo world, they don’t do it for me."
Did you even get it out of Efficiency mode?


The real point is that many Porsche fanatics have been disappointed with the 991 and some with the 992.
I know of a couple in my home town that have cancelled their orders on new 992's and are looking for 997 GT3's.

The 992 looks great, but it's no longer true to the 911's of old.

I never drove in anything but Sport plus but genuinely never put a smile on my face whereas my Porsches leave my grinning.
The s55 is mediocre at best. It pales in comparison to the turbo 911 engines or something like the MB M177. Redline also means very little given the s55 loses steam after 5500 rpm where the 911s pull hard to redline. It sounds awful (I had MPE and made the bad sound louder) and just isn’t fun to drive - too spikey and suspension was 3rd rate at best along with the overall quality and it was either numb steering or overly weighted fake feeling steering.
My Macan GTS is just a nicer car, sounds better, is as responsive. I don’t need it to be the fastest car but it just is a nicer car to drive and be in. And the 911 and 718 are obviously just all around better cars in any regard to performance and handling.
The 991 was Porsche pushing the 911 to GT which I’ve been saying for a while. I have not been disappointed in their cars and given sales anyone who can afford one hasn’t either. Journalists praise it to no end, even most so when it’s a GT but no one else builds anywhere near as cohesive and well put together, near perfect package at they do...in any of their cars.

The 992 which is only the entry level is putting down supercar numbers with still relatively low HP ratings. Running 7:25 on the Ring with 444 hp is something no other manufacturer could pull off. And to think what the GTS, Turbo, Turbo S and GT cars will do. Porsche is at the top of the game and have been for a while. The 992 is still as close to roots as you get given the ever changing environment and need to evolve.

[mmmmQuattro]

Real problem with the 992 - is the price for me, that is at least.
My wife went in to get a new badge for the Macan, as the original one broke, whilst washing it. Did you know that the badge is made out of crap very breakable plastic?

Anyway, she sent me a photo of the new 4S - looks great, but it's $US 240k here, basically double what an M4 is over here.

[nsquared]

992 is so hot.

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Back ends a bit Tron'y and price getting stratospheric.

Look at a fully loaded TTS :

[Germanauto]

I was invited to a 992 unveiling event at a local Porsche dealer last autumn. Very nice evening, beautiful car.

Unfortunately, the 911 just keeps getting larger and more expensive with every generation. I'd definitely like to own one but am too young to even consider spending that much money on a car. Even used 911s are more than I'm willing to spend.

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I was invited to a 992 unveiling event at a local Porsche dealer last autumn. Very nice evening, beautiful car.

Unfortunately, the 911 just keeps getting larger and more expensive with every generation. I'd definitely like to own one but am too young to even consider spending that much money on a car. Even used 911s are more than I'm willing to spend.

That can be said about literally every car, but I agree with both of your points.

[///M Power-Belgium]

[RM7]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Has the red breaker-switch.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That Ass tho.....

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

That Ass tho.....

Mate . There is no substitute...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

Love the whale tale, but the newer Turbo models rarely have my interest.

More...

[TXSTYLE]

The 911 is as we all know and can agree, a "Automotive Icon"!
My only gripe is the typical Porsche price gouging for what should be be standard equipment on a car in its price point. For example... The Base 911 is @ $100k. To get the nice goodies you would actually want would push it to @ $140k.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

The 911 is as we all know and can agree, a "Automotive Icon"!
My only gripe is the typical Porsche price gouging for what should be be standard equipment on a car in its price point. For example... The Base 911 is @ $100k. To get the nice goodies you would actually want would push it to @ $140k.

Standard Porsche formula is take the base price of any P-car, times it by 1.5, that is the price with any reasonable (not loaded) options.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

The 911 is as we all know and can agree, a "Automotive Icon"!
My only gripe is the typical Porsche price gouging for what should be be standard equipment on a car in its price point. For example... The Base 911 is @ $100k. To get the nice goodies you would actually want would push it to @ $140k.

Pretty much any luxury car will have 40% in options cost by the time you're done. At least Porsche makes it a la carte instead of forcing you to buy stupid packages with stuff you don't want like BMW. It also helps resale as specific options can be highly desirable in the right combinations.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

More...

Guards Red (indischrot) is the colour to have for a Porsche.
Centrelock single wheel nut? F1 style, need special tool for that
and CC brakes standard on the S.
Standard 911 Carrera is around half the price of TS about £82k
TS without options is nearly £156k! and there are no discounts from Porsche
dealers with waiting time.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Guards Red (indischrot) is the colour to have for a Porsche.
Centrelock single wheel nut? F1 style, need special tool for that
and CC brakes standard on the S.
Standard 911 Carrera is around half the price of TS about £82k
TS without options is nearly £156k! and there are no discounts from Porsche
dealers with waiting time.

2 years ago I was passenger in a 991 TS in heavy rain ...
Honestly ..I was afraid in the car . What this car can do , even in the wet with the AWD . It blew my mind !
He did 2 launch controls . The thing did a 0-100 km/h in 2.8 sec. in the wet ! Well , there are no words to describe the performance of this car !
After 30 min. I stepped out of the TS . My legs were shivering !
The owner said to me , yeah it's a adrenaline machine !

Drove back home in my M . It felt slow !
If I sell my M , it's for a 992 TS and for nothing else ..
So....Maybe one day I'll buy a adrenaline machine .

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

2 years ago I was passenger in a 991 TS in heavy rain ...
Honestly ..I was afraid in the car . What this car can do , even in the wet with the AWD . It blew my mind !
He did 2 launch controls . The thing did a 0-100 km/h in 2.8 sec. in the wet ! Well , there are no words to describe the performance of this car !
After 30 min. I stepped out of the TS . My legs were shivering !
The owner said to me , yeah it's a adrenaline machine !

Drove back home in my M . It felt slow !
If I sell my M , it's for a 992 TS and for nothing else ..
So....Maybe one day I'll buy a adrenaline machine .

2014-16 GT3, more fun than a Turbo S at half the price with a 10 year warranty on the engine. Best value on the market.

[Alfisti]

Gee they really improved the Turbo, never really been a fan of them but the 992 look sway, way better than the previous models which always looked kinda bloated.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

2 years ago I was passenger in a 991 TS in heavy rain ...
Honestly ..I was afraid in the car . What this car can do , even in the wet with the AWD . It blew my mind !
He did 2 launch controls . The thing did a 0-100 km/h in 2.8 sec. in the wet ! Well , there are no words to describe the performance of this car !
After 30 min. I stepped out of the TS . My legs were shivering !
The owner said to me , yeah it's a adrenaline machine !

Drove back home in my M . It felt slow !
If I sell my M , it's for a 992 TS and for nothing else ..
So....Maybe one day I'll buy a adrenaline machine .

I desire a 992 Turbo S too, but with options and tax, you are looking at at least $230k. The M2 CS base price doesn't seem too bad at $83.6k.

Looking forward to driving reviews of both cars. The walk around reviews get old after awhile.