[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

I bet bump stocks will be banned after this.

Hope not. Did he use those? Didn't sound like a bump.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

I would counter he could have killed more with a hunting rifle and optic actually aiming, rather than a spray and pray method employeed.

Definitely. An m1a with a scope. Bigger bullets too. Would have penetrated more people and not on the assault weapon ban lists.

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by Maestro

I think they are already banned in Calif,

They are.

I agree they will be banned, honestly they won't be missed by very many people. They really aren't good for anything other than spraying lead, they are inconsistent and accuracy goes to hell.

Banning them will make people 'feel good' but won't really do anything.

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Hope not. Did he use those? Didn't sound like a bump.

There are a couple of pictures of two rifles, one has a bump, there was mention that one was an ar10

[KenB925]

Looks like the AR10 has a bidpod and scope.

[1MOREMOD]

Compensating for drop 32 floors up would also be an issue with the optic route

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

I would counter he could have killed more with a hunting rifle and optic actually aiming, rather than a spray and pray method employeed.

Generally I would agree, but in this case, a crowd that big and 'limited' time I think this pos did the most damage he could. He may have been able to tally more murders had he aimed each shot, but total number of injuries I doubt it.

[KenB925]

I am getting a little bit nauseous just contemplating this.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by KenB925

Generally I would agree, but in this case, a crowd that big and 'limited' time I think this pos did the most damage he could. He may have been able to tally more murders had he aimed each shot, but total number of injuries I doubt it.

Don't think the 515 injuries is shot people but trampled mostly so hard to tell at this point. Haven't heard the time frame he had but thought he had 15 minutes at least.

[are0lies]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Don't think the 515 injuries is shot people but trampled mostly so hard to tell at this point. Haven't heard the time frame he had but thought he had 15 minutes at least.

Also the amount of ricocheting going on. As soemone else said, "shooting fish in barrel." The guy could not have helped but hit someone.

[1MOREMOD]

True lower skill level required for his method.

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Don't think the 515 injuries is shot people but trampled mostly so hard to tell at this point. Haven't heard the time frame he had but thought he had 15 minutes at least.

I read 10 to 15 minutes.

[gonzo]

Pounds of ammonium nitrate found in his car.

[KenB925]

I am very curious about his use (if any) of anti-depressants, they seem to be a common thread in almost all of these (non-terrorist, meaning not fitting the actual definition of terrorism) senseless mass shooting events.

It also doesn't seem to just be body count these guys are going after, this particular guy could have crashed his plane into the same crowd a killed far more people, for example. There must be something about watching the fear, and the chaos, and knowing that he is doing what he is doing.

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Pounds of ammonium nitrate found in his car.

As scary as this is, bombs scare me more, and a 'good' or should I say skilled bomber can get away with it and live to bomb anther day.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by Chappers 71

Closure of mental health institutions is not just an American problem, they have been closing them down here in the UK for many years with the buildings & land being sold off to developers for housing.
We now have so called 'care in the community'

I like that phase, since it basically hold the community responsible for the action of these people. They have not one to blame but themselves.

[1 AKY]

I don't want to trivialise the deceased and commiserations to this affected, but I saw this elsewhere today and thought I'd share it with you....

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Do you know what #whiteprivilege is?

It is to murder over 50 people and injure 450, only to have authorities claim, within minutes and without any verification, that you are not a terrorist.

It is to commit the largest mass murder and shooting in recent American history, and be described as a 'retired grandfather'.

It is to inflict pain and suffering on others, and not have to worry that a single person of your race, or religion, or your women and children, face any backlash for your crime.

It is to kill (or rape, or loot, or plunder, or colonize...) and get away with it without bringing up irrelevant issues like religion, Scripture, culture, theology or ideology. As of this writing, we still have no idea of the religion and beliefs of the killer.

It is, essentially, to consider any such incident to be a freak accident, and let life continue without changing any policies, or calling for national dialogues about laws on immigration, tolerance of others, gun ownership, cultural differences (such as dress codes), and the list goes on and on.

PS. This post in no way intends to trivialize the tragic loss of life. My sincerest condolences to the families of the victims in this horrible tragedy.

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[jgoens]

Originally Posted by 1 AKY

I don't want to trivialise the deceased and commiserations to this affected, but I saw this elsewhere today and thought I'd share it with you....

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Do you know what #whiteprivilege is?

It is to murder over 50 people and injure 450, only to have authorities claim, within minutes and without any verification, that you are not a terrorist.



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By all means he should be labeled a terrorist as terrorists are murderers, but not all murderers are terrorist. This is definitely a terrorist attack.

[BOOF-M3]

Originally Posted by 1 AKY

I don't want to trivialise the deceased and commiserations to this affected, but I saw this elsewhere today and thought I'd share it with you....

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Do you know what #whiteprivilege is?

It is to murder over 50 people and injure 450, only to have authorities claim, within minutes and without any verification, that you are not a terrorist.

It is to commit the largest mass murder and shooting in recent American history, and be described as a 'retired grandfather'.

It is to inflict pain and suffering on others, and not have to worry that a single person of your race, or religion, or your women and children, face any backlash for your crime.

It is to kill (or rape, or loot, or plunder, or colonize...) and get away with it without bringing up irrelevant issues like religion, Scripture, culture, theology or ideology. As of this writing, we still have no idea of the religion and beliefs of the killer.

It is, essentially, to consider any such incident to be a freak accident, and let life continue without changing any policies, or calling for national dialogues about laws on immigration, tolerance of others, gun ownership, cultural differences (such as dress codes), and the list goes on and on.

PS. This post in no way intends to trivialize the tragic loss of life. My sincerest condolences to the families of the victims in this horrible tragedy.

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I humbly disagree with the article, the premise of writing it and then spreading it.

Edit: But I do respect your right and view that you feel it is appropriate. Attacking you was not my intent if it came across that way as it surely is not my intent.

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

I would counter he could have killed more with a hunting rifle and optic actually aiming, rather than a spray and pray method employeed.

No way he could have killed ~58 and wounded ~530 with a hunting rifle and scope in that time frame.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Don't think the 515 injuries is shot people but trampled mostly so hard to tell at this point. Haven't heard the time frame he had but thought he had 15 minutes at least.

A couple of witness said the shooting continued for 20 minutes and one of the trauma hospital said of the 150 or so patients they got about 124 of them had gun shot wounds, the balance had injuries related to trying to get out of the way.

[atam1980]

Originally Posted by jgoens

Really that's much better than more taxpayer money spent on trials and incarceration and the families knowing he is still alive. If we had a system where torture leading to death could be implemented then it would have been fine if he was caught alive....but we don't and this way there is closure as far as this shitbag from hell.

Normally I'd agree with you, but one of my close friends was one of the 59 that died. As of now, police still have no motive and we're all still left wondering what she died for. His death wasn't closure at all.