[leon]

hmm I've never tried shoulder holster before probably because I've been avoiding cross draw. Never practiced that way. I'll look into that and see how comfortable that is, shoulder or wasteband cross draw

thanks.

-Leon

[leon]

Originally Posted by DanV1317

The key is to find a good holster. I have a holster from http://ravenconcealment.com/. I have everything from g26 to g21sf that i can carry on 2+hour rides. I've gone though about 15-20 holsters, and i now have about 10 of these holsters. They make carrying so much easier. They can be converted IWB or OWB with jsut a switch of a few screws.

In the past, ive used blade tech, comp-tac, galco, tucker, bianchi, and many others. none compare to the raven products.

Looking at the pictures on their site I'm wondering how they sit down lol.

-Leon

[matt beard]

Originally Posted by Bhorse

Wa sup Yall! Yee haww! Wheres mah moonshine?

Typical comment coming from that ceptic tank of a state.

[Wake27]

Originally Posted by matt beard

Typical comment coming from that ceptic tank of a state.

Says the guy from Illinois. What the fuck is in Illinois that anybody cares about. That's rhetorical btw, I already know there isn't anything.

[Viper Two Four]

I carry my Glock 30 with me every where in the car, also I have my M4A3 in the trunk 80% with my tac vest. 390 rounds pre-loaded the 1911 in the CQB holster strapped to the chest of my vest. Yes I am in Law Enforcement and did my training at Blackwater USA. You never know when your going to need your firearm.

[jaiman]

Originally Posted by scollins

Can I list all of them? No. But here are a few examples:

Right to bear arms - Canada has very restrictive firearms laws. Good luck owning a handgun up there, and you'll never get a permit to carry it for self defense. But hey, you don't really have the right to defend yourself either...

Right to self-defense - Can you explain this garbage to me, because I'm having a tough time with it:



In other words, if someone decides to beat you, but didn't mean to cause your death, and you fight back and manage to kill the person (knocked them out, they fell and hit their head on a rock), then YOU have committed a crime because you excessive force to protect yourself!?

AND, if the guy beating you without intent to kill you, feels that you are trying to kill him while defending yourself, then he can escalate his use of force against YOU?! The tables have been turned, and the attacker becomes the victim? What the hell?

In other words, you can only be a victim in Canada, and as soon as you move to defend yourself, you risk becoming a criminal by raising a hand to fight back. And you'll notice, these sections have nothing to do with firearms....

Does the name "Mark Steyn" and the "Human Rights Commission" mean anything to you? The mere fact that you guys put him on trial for articles written in a magazine is just ludicrous. Thankfully he was acquitted, but not before millions of dollars were wasted. Canadians don't enjoy nearly the "freedom of speech" or "freedom of the press" that Americans do.

34 (1) says that as long as you did not intend to kill or maim someone who attacks you, you haven’t committed a crime. (2) says you can kill or maim someone if you believe they are trying to kill or maim you.

35 says that if you start a fight, self defense is not an option, unless you believe the other person is going to kill or maim you and you say you don’t want to fight any more or try to run away, and he still comes after you, then you have the right to prevent him from killing or maiming. That seems pretty fair to me.

Both of these laws seem to do a reasonable job of balancing the right to defend yourself with force that is sufficient to repel a threat. I find it hard to believe that you have substantially different laws in the US. Can you shoot someone in the back as they run from you? Would you?

As for Mark Steyn he published 22 articles in Maclean's (a national magazine) that were critical of Muslims generally. I don't think it qualified as hate speech, but I have no problem with the inquest. If you want an example of where that sort of thing works look at Ernst Zundel.

How do you feel about the prison at Guantanamo? Or the Patriot Act? I'll happily take the rights that I have in Canada over the ones on offer in the US.

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by abcommercial

What do you mean by "for real?" What part of the discussion do you find hard to believe, and why?

Despite the negative image perpetuated by the media and Hollywood, handguns are a legal product and are an effective and legitimate self-defense tool. Part of safe gun handling is to have an aware, educated user with a well thought-out carrying plan. Leon, as a conscientious handgun owner is demonstrating responsible gun ownership by thinking ahead of time how is going to transport his firearm in a legal and effective manner (as opposed to an ignorant owner who might just leave it loose on the passenger seat). Likewise, the carrying suggestions I enumerated are in consideration of ease of access and safety (in terms of where the barrel is pointed, away from the occupants, and how the driver will be able to access the weapon quickly in the case of an attacker).

Carry a gun in a holster while driving? Damn, you live in the hood or something? I don't know about you all but I can afford my BMW AND still afford to live in a place where I can drive around without packing heat to keep me safe.........geez

Cheers,
e46e92

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by aggie57

Like most Americans in favour of guns you miss the point. Here in Australia we start with the premise that carrying a weapon such as a gun (or others such as a flick knife...) in general society makes a statement about intent to use a level of violence against others which is unacceptable.

We do not ban sharp knives because they can be used as a weapon. Every house in the country has plenty of them for valid purposes (cutting the Xmas ham for example!). But we do ban most types of guns because they can be nothing but a weapon.

Yes, there are people who will always work outside these laws. Can we change that - history tells us we can't. So we return to the first point......

Well said.......well said.

Cheers,
e46e92

[Mk23]

Originally Posted by Viper Two Four

I carry my Glock 30 with me every where in the car, also I have my M4A3 in the trunk 80% with my tac vest. 390 rounds pre-loaded the 1911 in the CQB holster strapped to the chest of my vest. Yes I am in Law Enforcement and did my training at Blackwater USA. You never know when your going to need your firearm.

Good for you officer, glad to see someone that is taking Blackwater's courses. Was thinking about it myself.

BTW, I carry the Glock 30 as well.

[Viper Two Four]

Originally Posted by Mk335i

Good for you officer, glad to see someone that is taking Blackwater's courses. Was thinking about it myself.

BTW, I carry the Glock 30 as well.

The Glock 30 for me has less of a recoil than the G26 and G27. the only thing is finding a good holster for the G30. I have a Galco Inside the pants holster bet I like something else. For off duty. I also have a Blackhawk CQB holster for a G21 cut down for my 30.


Blackwater has some good Courses but the cost some change. We went it was about 9k for the 2 weeks we where there and alot of ammo (9MM, 5.56, 12g buck/slugs, 7.62x49mm (M60), and 50 cal)


Did you get your Glock 30 with Night Sights ?

[Wake27]

Originally Posted by Viper Two Four

I carry my Glock 30 with me every where in the car, also I have my M4A3 in the trunk 80% with my tac vest. 390 rounds pre-loaded the 1911 in the CQB holster strapped to the chest of my vest. Yes I am in Law Enforcement and did my training at Blackwater USA. You never know when your going to need your firearm.

Damn you're packin. I love VA.

Originally Posted by Viper Two Four

The Glock 30 for me has less of a recoil than the G26 and G27. the only thing is finding a good holster for the G30. I have a Galco Inside the pants holster bet I like something else. For off duty. I also have a Blackhawk CQB holster for a G21 cut down for my 30.


Blackwater has some good Courses but the cost some change. We went it was about 9k for the 2 weeks we where there and alot of ammo (9MM, 5.56, 12g buck/slugs, 7.62x49mm (M60), and 50 cal)


Did you get your Glock 30 with Night Sights ?

9 grand? Good god, that must've been awesome.

[Viper Two Four]

Originally Posted by Wake27

Damn you're packin. I love VA.



9 grand? Good god, that must've been awesome.

It was Great there.

here is a photo of my set up with out my ACOG.


and here is one of me at work

[matt beard]

Originally Posted by Wake27

Says the guy from Illinois. What the fuck is in Illinois that anybody cares about. That's rhetorical btw, I already know there isn't anything.

Ask 70% of the population of your puke state, you all voted for him. The Saviour remember.

[matt beard]

Originally Posted by jaiman

34 (1) says that as long as you did not intend to kill or maim someone who attacks you, you haven’t committed a crime. (2) says you can kill or maim someone if you believe they are trying to kill or maim you.

35 says that if you start a fight, self defense is not an option, unless you believe the other person is going to kill or maim you and you say you don’t want to fight any more or try to run away, and he still comes after you, then you have the right to prevent him from killing or maiming. That seems pretty fair to me.

Both of these laws seem to do a reasonable job of balancing the right to defend yourself with force that is sufficient to repel a threat. I find it hard to believe that you have substantially different laws in the US. Can you shoot someone in the back as they run from you? Would you?

As for Mark Steyn he published 22 articles in Maclean's (a national magazine) that were critical of Muslims generally. I don't think it qualified as hate speech, but I have no problem with the inquest. If you want an example of where that sort of thing works look at Ernst Zundel.

How do you feel about the prison at Guantanamo? Or the Patriot Act? I'll happily take the rights that I have in Canada over the ones on offer in the US.

And we'll happily let you stay there.

[c0nstant]

[Mk23]

Originally Posted by Viper Two Four

The Glock 30 for me has less of a recoil than the G26 and G27. the only thing is finding a good holster for the G30. I have a Galco Inside the pants holster bet I like something else. For off duty. I also have a Blackhawk CQB holster for a G21 cut down for my 30.


Blackwater has some good Courses but the cost some change. We went it was about 9k for the 2 weeks we where there and alot of ammo (9MM, 5.56, 12g buck/slugs, 7.62x49mm (M60), and 50 cal)


Did you get your Glock 30 with Night Sights ?

Blackhawk CQB, I'll have to check it out. Did you get someone to customize your holster or did you just cut it yourself? My holster isn't as great as I'd like it so I'm kind of looking for another one.

Was thinking of taking the advanced CCW class and the shotgun class. A lot of money in that though.

Yes, my Glock 30 is with night sights.

[Dillusion]

Originally Posted by Mk335i

Blackhawk CQB, I'll have to check it out. Did you get someone to customize your holster or did you just cut it yourself? My holster isn't as great as I'd like it so I'm kind of looking for another one.

Was thinking of taking the advanced CCW class and the shotgun class. A lot of money in that though.

Yes, my Glock 30 is with night sights.

Where in orlando do you practice? I want to start learning how to shoot and get my concealed permit, etc as I just turned 22. I dont know where to start!

[NewSong]

I only pack when I'm going somewhere secluded (camping trip to the mountains, etc). I don't want to see my kid or wife getting chewed on by some mountain lion while I'm hitting it with a stick.

I have a Smith & Wesson .38 btw.

[Mk23]

Originally Posted by Dillusion

Where in orlando do you practice? I want to start learning how to shoot and get my concealed permit, etc as I just turned 22. I dont know where to start!

I usually shoot at Shoot Straight Cassleberry. Good group of guys that work there, and as much as they post the rule of 1 round per second, they will let you shoot rapid fire. Loads of fun and the only range I've seen that allows rapid fire. Good training for the real thing.

I usually do double tap or three point tap, it's a good way to train so that you don't panic and pull the trigger as fast as you can. A good ending to a shootout is the bad guy neutralized and no innocent people hit.

Head over to Shoot Straight and rent a Glock 30. Amazing rapid fire gun and pretty accurate (it's also a 45. ).

I went to Gander Mountain in Lake mary for my CCW, an ex-cop teaches the class and they use his own personal range for the shooting part. Shoot Straight does it too but they don't notarize your CCW I.D as well as take your picture (have to have it for the paper work), Gander will do both. Be advised though, I have been hearing a lot of rumors that it will take up to 6 months to get your CCW after you have sent in your paperwork.

[Dillusion]

I'm not worried about time. As long as its before 2012

Thanks for the advice!

[Wake27]

Originally Posted by Dillusion

I'm not worried about time. As long as its before 2012

Thanks for the advice!

What? You think we're all just going to suddenly cease to exist or something?

[Mk23]

There is a rumor going around (my crazy doctor keeps me updated...) that some really bad things are going to happen on 2012, don't know if I believe it after all the past BS I have heard that never happened, but we'll see.