[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

What options might those be? The Tesla is already tech porn for people who have to have the latest/greatest tech. The interior is decent; comparable to a 3 Series. Tesla's aren't new. For all of us driving M's, we could've opted for a Model S years ago.......but we didn't. For me personally there is something missing from the motoring experience when it comes to EV's. Well, at least where Tesla is concerned. The Porsche Taycan is compelling, but I wouldn't choose it over an MT GT2/GT3 variant.

I fully expect a hybrid ///M to debut at some point, and as long as there's still an MT option I'll be open to it. The moment the MT is gone is the moment I stop buying BMW's.

The reason I plan to buy a M4 with 6MT in 2021. Perhaps it will be the last generation

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

We're not talking the avg buyer.

We're talking the average M-buyer.

....but the average M buyer is not looking at a Model 3, which was the Tesla model originally referenced. So outline your criteria for discussion more specifically. Furthermore, I know you're suffering from what I call "Bubble Vision" from being on the forums, but your average M buyer doesn't go Individual either.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Poochie

We both think alike but unfortunately, my bank account is not keeping up with my lofty ambitions..

I'm trying to branch off into expanding my knowledge of Porsches but I can't seem find an APP as condensed as Bimmerpost.

Also, forgive me if I'm wrong but from what I understand, the only manual GT3 Porsche offers is the "Touring" version, so the third pedal seems to be drying up, in all fronts, not just the BMW brand..

The 992 S is the entry 911 with 7MT option but for a mortal like me... the $115k starting is tough... and I'd like to get a bicycle in it not on it

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I quite like it. I've never had an issue with BMW MT's. I don't know where the comments stem from, but when it comes to feel it's hard to tell another person they are wrong when the subject matter is highly subjective.

Everybody holds the S2000 MT in high regard, but I have never liked the feel of it. It felt overly mechanical to me; akin to the difference in feel between a Harbor Freight ratchet and a Snap-On ratchet. I like the smoothness of the BMW MT.

For what it's worth I love the feel of my Accord Coupe's 6MT....

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Frosty

[COLOR="Green"]For what it's worth I love the feel of my Accord Coupe's 6MT....[/COLOR]

I liked my Honda Civic manuals back in the day.

[vasi_M3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Did you read what I posted earlier? A GT3 is 3200 lbs.; a GT4 is 3000 pounds. There's NO UTILITY in either car. Porsche sells those cars at a low volume; they are a niche car company. BMW IS NOT. BMW cannot produce a passenger car at GT4 weight, and surely not without charging Porsche prices or beyond. You are high!

If a Lotus worked for you, you'd already be driving one. If a Porsche worked for you, you'd be driving one of those too.

Why the bitter tone man , you make yourself look like a bitch ass fanboy? I actually sold the F80 M3 and drove both an Evora and 911. Since I don’t have kids both cars are practical enough and for the price the Evora is a good fit. I’ll probably end up graduating to a GT car at some point, just have to see where the car maker goes. I don’t have any brand affinity and to me it’s about whether a product is compelling or not.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by vasi_M3

Why the bitter tone man , you make yourself look like a bitch ass fanboy? I actually sold the F80 M3 and drove both an Evora and 911. Since I don't have kids both cars are practical enough and for the price the Evora is a good fit. I'll probably end up graduating to a GT car at some point, just have to see where the car maker goes. I don't have any brand affinity and to me it's about whether a product is compelling or not.

Intonation is lost in text. Relax Mr. Defensive. Nobody is bitter. My question was a sincere one.


P.S. You might want to check the definition of a "fanboy". Outlining simple business decisions are not a component of fanboyism.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

....but the average M buyer is not looking at a Model 3, which was the Tesla model originally referenced. So outline your criteria for discussion more specifically. Furthermore, I know you're suffering from what I call "Bubble Vision" from being on the forums, but your average M buyer doesn't go Individual either.

You know that a typical M3/M5 buyer won't cross shop a Model 3P / Model S ?

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I'm trying to branch off into expanding my knowledge of Porsches but I can't seem find an APP as condensed as Bimmerpost.

My attempt at Porsche online learning was a frustrating failure. Please share if you find any great sites.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I liked my Honda Civic manuals back in the day.

I picked up the swan song 2017 Accord coupe in 6MT, it's no BMW but enjoy driving it. My 6MT 1995 Prelude... wish I bought a few of those and had them in a garage ha ha!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

You know that a typical M3/M5 buyer won't cross shop a Model 3 / Model S ?

Generally speaking, someone gunning for a Tesla has already made up their mind that they want a premium EV and that they want a Tesla. By and large, the average Tesla buyer has already digested the Elon Kool-Aid and are sold on the more grand utopian picture. Buying anything other than the Tesla would present a gross philosophical conundrum. All it takes is to listen to non-enthusiast Tesla owners or would-be Tesla owners (...or even enthusiasts who love Tesla) talk to understand where I'm coming from.

With regards to the enthusiast......

.....sure, the enthusiast might cross-shop, if for no other reason than mere curiosity (...like the white dude who wants to smash a black chick just to see what it's like, but he's not planning to actually date her and bring her home to mother; or conversely, the white chick who wants to smash a black dude because she heard the dick is good, but that's about as far as it's going). Some will cross shop with a genuine consideration based on the accolades of the Tesla. We already know that the enthusiast is a small population percentage. We are not the average. We are the outliers.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Frosty

[COLOR="Green"]I picked up the swan song 2017 Accord coupe in 6MT, it's no BMW but enjoy driving it. My 6MT 1995 Prelude... wish I bought a few of those and had them in a garage ha ha![/COLOR]

The '95 Prelude was badass. I used to go test drive them all of the time, wishing I could actually buy one. I ended up with a Honda Civic HX. Lol!

[CalvinSanders]

Originally Posted by maristgrad09

Especially when the m340i is faster than the e92 m3 lol.

My m235i is faster than a e92 m3 😂 but straight line speed isn't everything.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The '95 Prelude was badass. I used to go test drive them all of the time, wishing I could actually buy one. I ended up with a Honda Civic HX. Lol!

I had a 1983 Civic S 5MT... that was a fun little hatch. Started my love affair with Hondas. Sad to see the Prelude... then S2000, then Accord coupes come to an end... now the Civic coupe is the last of it's Honda kind.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Frosty

[COLOR="SeaGreen"]I had a 1983 Civic S 5MT... that was a fun little hatch. Started my love affair with Hondas. Sad to see the Prelude... then S2000, then Accord coupes come to an end... now the Civic coupe is the last of it's Honda kind.[/COLOR]

Agreed! Talk about the changing face of a company. Honda has changed so much.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The '95 Prelude was badass. I used to go test drive them all of the time, wishing I could actually buy one. I ended up with a Honda Civic HX. Lol!

Oh wow. I used to do the same thing. I remember test driving Lexus Is300, 95 prelude, 99 prelude 99 maxima, 98 Accord V6 many times when I couldn’t afford any of those cars without parents assistance.

I also test drove many Bmw and Mercedes models back in those days. That’s what really started my interest in these cars and these dealers were more than happy to let me drive these cars.

I’ve bought and sold over 15 German cars over the last 8 years and many more to come. Partly because dealers let me test drive these cars and become an enthusiast at an early age.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by elitex

Oh wow. I used to do the same thing. I remember test driving Lexus Is300, 95 prelude, 99 prelude 99 maxima, 98 Accord V6 many times when I couldn’t afford any of those cars without parents assistance.

I also test drove many Bmw and Mercedes models back in those days. That’s what really started my interest in these cars and these dealers were more than happy to let me drive these cars.

I’ve bought and sold over 15 German cars over the last 8 years and many more to come. Partly because dealers let me test drive these cars and become an enthusiast at an early age.

I'll never forget in the 90's a more affluent friend of mine was buying an Audi and they just handed him the keys to test drive only after copying his license... I was amazed the associate did not join us on the ride, made me appreciate Audi when young for same reason you mention

[cactusjack]

When is a reporter gonna get the guts to confront a BMW executive about their trash front grille and lexus tail light designs? Someone needs to see the head of design and give him a good hard smack to make sure his brain and eyes are back in place.

[drgmt]

Originally Posted by cactusjack

When is a reporter gonna get the guts to confront a BMW executive about their trash front grille and lexus tail light designs? Someone needs to see the head of design and give him a good hard smack to make sure his brain and eyes are back in place.

Reporting is all about YouTube clicks and social media presence.

When was the last time you watched a car review/interview that was unbiased?

RBR - Mercedes fan boy. I'll say whatever I have to get a drive and review of the latest car
Joe Achilles - Mr BMW can do no wrong
Schmee - I'll say anything for an instagram click

The M2CS is perfect example of how marketing has taken over the M division. Let's slap on some performance parts, give it a label, charge a massive amount and People still crawl one another to buy it.

[vasi_M3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Intonation is lost in text. Relax Mr. Defensive. Nobody is bitter. My question was a sincere one.


P.S. You might want to check the definition of a "fanboy". Outlining simple business decisions are not a component of fanboyism.

You sure had me fooled but maybe it was your own presumptions that got in the way. You said things like there’s “no utility” , well then get a SUV or that BMW cannot make a lightweight passenger car, but aren’t all cars passenger cars?
Overall I think you missed my point and generalized that now all BMW cars need to be super light and be a jack of all trades. That’s not what I said, and I think only BMW knows what they can and cannot make, they’ve surprised us many times and can do it again.

[bmwm3redblack]

Originally Posted by dakine_surf

I'm sorry but 50% of BMW's now wear an ///M badge????

I knew they are watering the ///M brand down but 50% is ridiculous. Worse part 90% of the population doesn't know the difference between an M3 and a m sport package.

I really miss the days of one or two flavors, limited colors and knowing you had the best because it had the badge...

10000000000000000000 times agree

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by vasi_M3

You sure had me fooled but maybe it was your own presumptions that got in the way. You said things like there's "no utility" , well then get a SUV or that BMW cannot make a lightweight passenger car, but aren't all cars passenger cars?
Overall I think you missed my point and generalized that now all BMW cars need to be super light and be a jack of all trades. That's not what I said, and I think only BMW knows what they can and cannot make, they've surprised us many times and can do it again.

Our M3/M4's have significantly more utility than a 911. It's part of the beauty of an M. Utility is why some choose an M3 over an M4, so why wouldn't that factor into a P-Car with useless back seats and a "trunk" that is barely good enough for a grocery run. If I have to explain that to you then there's more going on than a simple subtext issue.