[mwalke335i]

I vote for the v8

[MParallel]

S65 sounds so glorious...

Never been a fan of E46 raspy exhaust sounds.

So it's, for me

1: S65
2: S50 (although this is a B30, would like to here B32 difference)
3: S54

Rest are turbo and fake sound systems, so obsolete in this comparison.

[530iAndroid]

This got me thinking, should they not use turbo's to differentiate between M cars and regular models below them? The question is, should the turbo's be for the M cars or regular models?

An M3 car that is naturally aspirated even if it had about same horsepower as a 335i/340i with it's turbos would be a vastly superior car and purpose built for handling, throttle response...etc. I know that every idiot looking purely at 0-60 times to make his/her purchasing decision would laugh and then proceed to buy some junk Lexus or Benz with massive turbos, making this a losing proposition on the business end.

So then the question begs, why not put Turbos in just the M cars (and the 4 bangers where they serve a different purpose)?

I have a 335i MSport which I find far too powerful considering how awful the suspension is. The car downright scares me when I push it a bit and go over any bumps or uneven surfaces, as it bounces around like an old caddy. It makes me wish that I had either a less powerful naturally aspirated engine or bought an M3 with better handling characteristics. My vehicle does not seem to meet either niche well and for customers who would never mod their cars, the product makes no sense in my opinion.

I guess what I am saying is, a 335i is as fast of a car as anyone truly 'needs' but BMW does not offer an exceptionally handling sedan anymore without it becoming crazy stupid fast.

What do you guys think?

[P1]

Painful to listen to...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by P1et

Painful to listen to...

"Gelukkig nieuwjaar" !
Gezondheid ..

[8k4]

The E92 owner was babying it, did not redline. Aside from that it was FAR superior to the others

[i001947]

Originally Posted by Bemo

The E92 might have plenty of issues such as bearing rods, weight, low torque but one place it doesn't lack in is induction sound and exhaust. So much so that even though I look forward to getting an F80, I have a hard time justifying the wonderful chassis but crappy exhaust/steering, when compared to the E92. The S65 is truly a special motor. Those lucky to have one should cherish each and every mile they put behind the oh-so-wonderful-even-if-a-tad-light-in-dead-center-hydraulic-steering. Do not trade up to an F80.

I'll go now...

Roger that!

[P1]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

"Gelukkig nieuwjaar" !
Gezondheid ..

Hetzelfde!

[MParallel]

Originally Posted by P1et

Hetzelfde!

Haha Google Translate is je vriend.

Proost!

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

they made a 2 min video into 10+ minutes....LOL

I could make a better one if ppl in socal want to meet.

When I say F80 sounds like shit, it's not that I don't like how turbo cars sound but it's the sound engineering that went into it that sucks. Turbo cars can sound awesome.

See AMG GT-S.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by 530iAndroid

This got me thinking, should they not use turbo's to differentiate between M cars and regular models below them? The question is, should the turbo's be for the M cars or regular models?

An M3 car that is naturally aspirated even if it had about same horsepower as a 335i/340i with it's turbos would be a vastly superior car and purpose built for handling, throttle response...etc. I know that every idiot looking purely at 0-60 times to make his/her purchasing decision would laugh and then proceed to buy some junk Lexus or Benz with massive turbos, making this a losing proposition on the business end.

So then the question begs, why not put Turbos in just the M cars (and the 4 bangers where they serve a different purpose)?

I have a 335i MSport which I find far too powerful considering how awful the suspension is. The car downright scares me when I push it a bit and go over any bumps or uneven surfaces, as it bounces around like an old caddy. It makes me wish that I had either a less powerful naturally aspirated engine or bought an M3 with better handling characteristics. My vehicle does not seem to meet either niche well and for customers who would never mod their cars, the product makes no sense in my opinion.

I guess what I am saying is, a 335i is as fast of a car as anyone truly 'needs' but BMW does not offer an exceptionally handling sedan anymore without it becoming crazy stupid fast.

What do you guys think?

You forget BMW is a company trying to make money. They need to sell cars and keep up with the other cars on the market.

The new m3 needed more power for the market. while getting better MPG and lowering emissions to government regulations. BMW like many other car companies had to downsize the engine.

So what I am trying to say is they didn't have a choice.

[P1]

Originally Posted by MParallel

Haha Google Translate is je vriend.

Proost!

Maar als Nederlands je moedertaal is, dan heb je geen Google Translate nodig...

[MParallel]

Originally Posted by P1et

Maar als Nederlands je moedertaal is, dan heb je geen Google Translate nodig...

ha, nee in dat geval niet nee.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by P1et

Maar als Nederlands je moedertaal is, dan heb je geen Google Translate nodig...

Nederlands zul je dan ook nooit verleren..

[123sub]

Originally Posted by Eddien123

The gap between the E46 to E90 was far bigger than the E90 to F80. In fact, the e90 was the biggest jump in power of any M3 which makes it the most impressive. Also it's force inducted of course it's going to have more torque please stop defending the obvious. Supercharge an E92 and watch how fast your S55 runs out of steam. I don't even have an M it's just annoying to watch everyone fight over a car.

The biggest jump in Power was from E30 to E36. The euro E36 is what is was meant to be.

[Bamaben]

Was this just a mechanic taking customer cars out and ragging them out?
Terrible abuse of some nice cars.

[Eddien123]

Originally Posted by 123sub

The biggest jump in Power was from E30 to E36. The euro E36 is what is was meant to be.

I'm in the US so I was referring the US spec. It's a damn shame we didn't get the higher powered one here though :

[techwhiz]

Originally Posted by 530iAndroid

This got me thinking, should they not use turbo's to differentiate between M cars and regular models below them? The question is, should the turbo's be for the M cars or regular models?

An M3 car that is naturally aspirated even if it had about same horsepower as a 335i/340i with it's turbos would be a vastly superior car and purpose built for handling, throttle response...etc. I know that every idiot looking purely at 0-60 times to make his/her purchasing decision would laugh and then proceed to buy some junk Lexus or Benz with massive turbos, making this a losing proposition on the business end.

So then the question begs, why not put Turbos in just the M cars (and the 4 bangers where they serve a different purpose)?

I have a 335i MSport which I find far too powerful considering how awful the suspension is. The car downright scares me when I push it a bit and go over any bumps or uneven surfaces, as it bounces around like an old caddy. It makes me wish that I had either a less powerful naturally aspirated engine or bought an M3 with better handling characteristics. My vehicle does not seem to meet either niche well and for customers who would never mod their cars, the product makes no sense in my opinion.

I guess what I am saying is, a 335i is as fast of a car as anyone truly 'needs' but BMW does not offer an exceptionally handling sedan anymore without it becoming crazy stupid fast.

What do you guys think?

My preference is definitely the E9X.
My number two isn't there, but I had an E30 M3 with a Borla exhaust. Loved the sound.

Then everything else.

I'll have to chime in on your 335 suspension issue.
I have a solution, get the Bilsteins and freshen the thing up, also get a LSD.
My 335 feels solid. But I'm running 19x9 up front and 19x9.5 in the rear with 245/35 and 275/30. I also have Bilstein B8's, new bushings and a LSD. I also have retrofitted M-Performance brakes.

The grip is great.

[M3ryder55]

the only idiots that criticize the S55 sound are non F8X owners. Having come from the S65 and been around a family of M's starting from the e36 and own, the S65 wins every time. However, the S55 sounds fantastic and unique in its own respect.

[Damage Inc]

Originally Posted by Ezio

You forget BMW is a company trying to make money. They need to sell cars and keep up with the other cars on the market.

The new m3 needed more power for the market. while getting better MPG and lowering emissions to government regulations. BMW like many other car companies had to downsize the engine.

So what I am trying to say is they didn't have a choice.

If that is true then why is MB still able to keep the V8?

[Shredicus]

Originally Posted by M3ryder55

the only idiots that criticize the S55 sound are non F8X owners. Having come from the S65 and been around a family of M's starting from the e36 and own, the S65 wins every time. However, the S55 sounds fantastic and unique in its own respect.

Unique for sure:

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by Shredicus

Unique for sure:

No other cars to compare it to, so you don't know how accurate the sound recording is.