F1 2022: Bahrain GP - Sakhir (March 20)

Artemis · 03-22-2022, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Fair point, ask Valentino Rossi if poking Marc Marquez with insults hurt his 2015 MotoGP championship campaign against Lorenzo.

"Marquez had made no secret of his childhood admiration for Rossi when he stepped up to MotoGP in 2013. What Rossi found out that infamous Sunday in Sepang [2015] was that playing mind games with someone raised in his image would be like playing hot potato with a grenade.
(...)
Marquez may not have actively aided Lorenzo at Phillip Island, and he didn't just let him through on lap three at Sepang. But he didn't exactly put as much effort into catching back up to Lorenzo as he did with Rossi when he came past soon afterwards - an act of revenge Rossi had ultimately engineered by his accusations ahead of the race.
(...)
Marquez took numerous lessons from 2015. His difficult bike forced him to alter his approach to a more considered one. His battles with Rossi and the resulting negativity gave him motivation. If people were going to boo, he subsequently reasoned, he'd give them something to boo about by beating their hero at every opportunity.
(...)
Whatever the truth, some of the mystique of the Rossi legend crumbled that weekend in Sepang. But his career statistics and accolades still command top respect.
But all three of the riders involved in the fallout - Marquez, Lorenzo, Rossi - were stained by day at Sepang.
Ultimately, it transformed one of the best MotoGP title fights into arguably its ugliest episode, and its spectre still haunts the series to this day."
(source: here)

Artemis · 03-22-2022, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irunalot

I'm sure it did hurt him, you should never give your opponents motivation. To be honest both teams have been taking shots at each other for quite sometime, and one worse than the other depending on who you ask.

Bad blood or venom between Christian Horner and Toto Wolff.

Horner sounds harsh and frustrated. Wolff sounds as sophisticated as a James Bond or Star Wars villain.

Horner:

Wolff:

M3WC · 03-22-2022, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artemis

Bad blood or venom between Christian Horner and Toto Wolff.

Horner sounds harsh and frustrated. Wolff sounds as sophisticated as a James Bond or Star Wars villain.

Horner:

Close your eyes and watch Toto video, he sounds like the Terminator. I think the whole grid is frustrated and tired of Merc winning. Horner has enjoyed success and wants it again.

Banter is quite fun to watch actually.

Fliplegend · 03-23-2022, 09:19 AM

Horner wants his ball back!

wdb · 03-23-2022, 09:37 AM

Re the Red Bull retirements: my money is on them simply miscalculating fuel load and running out of gas. Some poor engineer is currently looking for new employment...

minn19 · 03-23-2022, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3WC

Close your eyes and watch Toto video, he sounds like the Terminator. I think the whole grid is frustrated and tired of Merc winning. Horner has enjoyed success and wants it again.

Banter is quite fun to watch actually.

The whole grid is sick of both RB and MB dominating for the better part of the last decade plus. Just watch Horner move these attacks and complaints towards Ferrari as the year goes on.

minn19 · 03-23-2022, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artemis

Bad blood or venom between Christian Horner and Toto Wolff.

Horner sounds harsh and frustrated. Wolff sounds as sophisticated as a James Bond or Star Wars villain.

Horner:

Wolff:

Toto is no saint (none of them are) but Horner’s attacks have crossed the line many times into the personal realm. He is obsessed with MB/Toto/HAM. He knows the championship is tainted otherwise he still wouldn’t be so angry this year, especially with MB being down. He really needs to focus on his teams in troubles instead of causing more with unneccasry drama.

minn19 · 03-23-2022, 10:10 AM

Sooooooo the MB mirror thing………..

///M Power-Belgium · 03-23-2022, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minn19

Sooooooo the MB mirror thing………..

Wolff said : The Mercedes Star Wars mirrors are just a small part ...

Further Wolff said : To get rid of the Mercedes porpoising we need a chainsaw !

Is Toto Wolff , Leatherface ?

https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...Details/139620

minn19 · 03-23-2022, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Wolff said : The Mercedes Star Wars mirrors are just a small part ...

Further Wolff said : To get rid of the Mercedes porpoising we need a chainsaw !

Is Toto Wolff , Leatherface ?

https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...Details/139620

You guys made a big deal about them. They obviously aren’t.

///M Power-Belgium · 03-23-2022, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minn19

You guys made a big deal about them. They obviously aren’t.

F87source · 03-23-2022, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Wolff said : The Mercedes Star Wars mirrors are just a small part ...

Further Wolff said : To get rid of the Mercedes porpoising we need a chainsaw !

Is Toto Wolff , Leatherface ?

https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Produ...Details/139620

That's not what Mercedes said, they will take a chain saw to the w13 to reduce drag not porpoising. That's because Merc is running the biggest rear wing (in terms of frontal area) on the grid contributing to the immense drag.

Also there are reports out now the amr 22 is sacrificing 0.75 seconds per lap to solve porpoising and the McLaren is also losing massive lap times due to the chassis and over heating.

M3WC · 03-23-2022, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minn19

Toto is no saint (none of them are) but Horner’s attacks have crossed the line many times into the personal realm. He is obsessed with MB/Toto/HAM. He knows the championship is tainted otherwise he still wouldn’t be so angry this year, especially with MB being down. He really needs to focus on his teams in troubles instead of causing more with unneccasry drama.

Personally I think he knows he was filming for Netflix and ramped it up a bit for tv. He gave Netflix a lot more access than anyone on that show.

inTgr8r · 03-23-2022, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3WC

Personally I think he knows he was filming for Netflix and ramped it up a bit for tv. He gave Netflix a lot more access than anyone on that show.

That's a drama queen for you.

Always has been & always will be.

M3WC · 03-23-2022, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F87source

That's not what Mercedes said, they will take a chain saw to the w13 to reduce drag not porpoising. That's because Merc is running the biggest rear wing (in terms of frontal area) on the grid contributing to the immense drag.

Also there are reports out now the amr 22 is sacrificing 0.75 seconds per lap to solve porpoising and the McLaren is also losing massive lap times due to the chassis and over heating.

Lando's recent interview came across as McLaren is screwed. He said overall lack of downforce, lacking grip front and rear. He also said next few races will basically be practice sessions, they simply have not had enough track time to figure out the car. The fix will not be "simple".

M3WC · 03-23-2022, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

That's a drama queen for you.

Always has been & always will be.

It is entertaining. The sport thrives with personalities like him. Their have been many in F1.

minn19 · 03-23-2022, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3WC

Personally I think he knows he was filming for Netflix and ramped it up a bit for tv. He gave Netflix a lot more access than anyone on that show.

I can see that, problem is that it is still said publicly. I think he is hurting his reputation by continuing down this path. I guess not that it matters, he is beyond filthy rich and it just gives us something to gossip about. He might care personally though when it dawns on him that a lot of people view him very negatively. I do think he cares more about that than say HAM or Toto.

F87source · 03-23-2022, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3WC

Lando's recent interview came across as McLaren is screwed. He said overall lack of downforce, lacking grip front and rear. He also said next few races will basically be practice sessions, they simply have not had enough track time to figure out the car. The fix will not be "simple".

Yeah I read that last night, that really sucks for McLaren. It also probably isn't a good reflection of the Merc pu if the McLaren is sucking that much.

minn19 · 03-23-2022, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3WC

It is entertaining. The sport thrives with personalities like him. Their have been many in F1.

To a point it is entertaining. Then it just gets old and most people roll there eyes at his constant whining.

M3WC · 03-23-2022, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minn19

I can see that, problem is that it is still said publicly. I think he is hurting his reputation by continuing down this path. I guess not that it matters, he is beyond filthy rich and it just gives us something to gossip about. He might care personally though when it dawns on him that a lot of people view him very negatively. I do think he cares more about that than say HAM or Toto.

Is that the case though?

minn19 · 03-23-2022, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3WC

Lando's recent interview came across as McLaren is screwed. He said overall lack of downforce, lacking grip front and rear. He also said next few races will basically be practice sessions, they simply have not had ;enough track time to figure out the car. The fix will not be "simple".

That really sucks, was hoping him and Daniel would have good cars to help make things more interesting like last year. Ric can’t catch a break, wonder where he’ll try to jump to next year?

minn19 · 03-23-2022, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3WC

Is that the case though?

Yes, obviously not from RB fans though. Look how popular Guenther is because he tells it like it is without the whining/constant drama.

03-23-2022, 09:19 AM	#1126
Fliplegend Major 1702 Rep 1,055 Posts Drives: 2015 435ix F33 Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: NH iTrader: (0)	Horner wants his ball back! __________________ 15' 435i F33 Metallic Grey/Dakota Black/Contrast Blue \| AWD \| M Sport 15' 328i F30 Mineral White/Dakota Saddle Brown \| AWD \| Luxury Line
	Appreciate 1 ///M Power-Belgium72826.50 Quote

03-23-2022, 09:37 AM	#1127
wdb dances with roads 5145 Rep 4,139 Posts Drives: '07 E86, '02 996, '95 Seven Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: the perimeter iTrader: (4)	Re the Red Bull retirements: my money is on them simply miscalculating fuel load and running out of gas. Some poor engineer is currently looking for new employment...
	Appreciate 1 ///M Power-Belgium72826.50 Quote

03-23-2022, 10:10 AM	#1130
minn19 Lieutenant General 14749 Rep 10,378 Posts Drives: 24 6MT M2, 25 X5 M60, 24 Truk Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Minnesota iTrader: (0)	Sooooooo the MB mirror thing………..
	Appreciate 0 Quote