[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by NYG

Sainz scored more points last year but he wasn't better than Charles.

the one with the most points still wins...

And SAI beat NOR also last year where NOR beat LEC.

LEC is a very good driver but historically SAI is just better if you compare years that they were competative with eachother.

I think he scores more points because once he's in his rythem, he's more consistent.
LEC is maybe more adaptive? But maybe also makes more mistakes.
But for sure this year they will be eachother rivals on a higher level than last year.
I hope there won't be any HAM-ROS drama's (or Prost-Senna drama's for that matter!)
Any drama's between those two and VER will certainly profit from that.
So Binotto also may have his work cut out for him.


But it might just be my view. I mean LEC had a very good start in F1 but just couldn't pull through in those years. SAI had pretty much gradual progress.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

the one with the most points still wins...

Agreed but Charles drove the lights out of that terrible car.

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by NYG

Agreed but Charles drove the lights out of that terrible car.

Yea, Charles was overdriving purposely because he had nothing to lose with the slow Ferrari. Now that he has a proper car under him you can see the more measured approach in the first race, i.e. didn’t get crazy with Max.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by NYG

I've been waiting for this rivalry for years. Charles is ELITE and one of the few people that know how to challenge or beat Max. I'm really happy to see Carlos flourishing at Ferrari because he's an excellent driver but unless RB really screw the car up, he's not capable of beating Max.

I think we might see Charles as the WDC this year. I love both of them and it's hard for me to be upset with either result but Max will win my support by a small margin - his karting career was just insane.

See here: VER and LEC "had a very ferocious battle on track" ("molto feroce"):

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

This was racing as well !!!

"2012"

And what LEC said about it in 2019:

[NYG]

Originally Posted by Artemis

See here: VER and LEC "had a very ferocious battle on track" ("molto feroce"):

Haha, I know all about their karting days. Max dominated.

They're in a different place mentally now. I think they both have huge respect for each other.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by NYG

Agreed but Charles drove the lights out of that terrible car.

I'm talking about last year. They were both in the same car.
Sai has more points at the end of the season.

But of course this year it might be different.
The difference last year wasn't huge, they are closely matched.
The coin can drop either way imho.
Both drivers make a very good runner up for the championship

[NYG]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I'm talking about last year. They were both in the same car.
Sai has more points at the end of the season.

But of course this year it might be different.
The difference last year wasn't huge, they are closely matched.
The coin can drop either way imho.
Both drivers make a very good runner up for the championship

Given what we know right now, I don't see Carlos winning a WDC any time soon.

[GuidoK]

Nobody expected SAI to finish above LEC either last year.
It's a very very long season, anything can happen.

Last year's fight between SAI/LEC/NOR was equally exciting to the championship fight but it got less attention obviously.
With both SAI and NOR getting 4 podiums and LEC just one, but it took 4-5 races before SAI started to finish above LEC with some consistency; I expect to see that too this year. However, with the titlefight, if SAI leaves points behind in the first ~5 races, and there is an intense fight between VER and LEC, Binotto might want to push SAI more in a sacrefical 2nd driver role. I don't know if he'll accept that....

[Crimson92]

The question is. Will Ferrari start playing team orders?

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

The question is. Will Ferrari start playing team orders?

Too early for that.

[Foghorn]

Originally Posted by NYG

McLaren needs to dump that garbage engine asap.

Your comment doesn't make any sense, McLaren are not even close to MB in lap times, nor is Williams or Aston Martin.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by Foghorn

Your comment doesn't make any sense, McLaren are not even close to MB in lap times, nor is Williams or Aston Martin.

A bit of hyperbole.

I'd rather see McLaren with a Honda/RBPT engine.

[Steeler]

Originally Posted by NYG

A bit of hyperbole.

I'd rather see McLaren with a Honda/RBPT engine.

yet the RB Honda can't finish a race.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well ....Check this out !
•Mercedes is a shame for motorsports ! Wolff is a piece of 5H1T ...
#BlitzKrieg !!!

Mercedes-AMG did not include a picture. It was just the phrase "You love to see it." posted right after the race (5:40pm):

OK, let's not be naïve, it is definitely ambiguous:

• either Merc-AMG is confirming to be very satisfied with P3 and P4 for HAM and RUS, given the difficult circumstances;
• and/or Schadenfreude of Merc-AMG because of the DNF by VER and PER; IMHO that's always a bad idea, because that narrative may backfire later this season.

Anyways, undoubtedly the Red Bull team will read Schadenfreude in it, and will consider it a bill to be settled.

Hypothetically speaking: if LEC and HAM would be fighting for WDC in the final stages of the 2022 season with VER mathematically out, this kind of Merc-AMG tweets may galvanize VER to become LEC's virtual second team mate. Remember the 2016 Abu Dhabi F1 WDC deciding race: HAM (P1) held up his team mate ROS (P2) who was chased by VET (P3) and VER (4) (VET and VER managing to heavily breathe into the neck of ROS each time HAM deliberately slowed down the pace in front of ROS).

IMHO it would have been smarter for Merc-AMG to ironically wish Red Bull a speedy recovery.

Backfire example 1: BMW teasing Mercedes with a Halloween prank but getting owned by the Mercedes reply:
https://twitter.com/DaimlerTruck/sta...427008?lang=en

Backfire example 2: Audi teasing Porsche and Porsche brilliantly replying three years later:

[M3WC]

Fuel pump not the cause of Red Bull's DNF.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/10677...the-cause.html

[minn19]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Well if you've lost a championship and after the winter your rival comes with a new fast car and you don't.......
Then schadenfreude is all you have.

You can see that here too with the HAM groupies that are still butthurt and need any excuse to vent their frustration in their childish posts and topics...
Some can grow over it and some clearly cant.

So much for your “warning” Artemis

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Fuel pump not the cause of Red Bull's DNF.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/10677...the-cause.html

Probably bad news for redbull as it's not going to be an easy fix.

[M3WC]

Interview from Lando today does not sound good for McLaren. He basically said car is lacking downforce, lacking grip front and rear. Also it won't be an easy fix, as these new cars are difficult to figure out.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by minn19

So much for your “warning” Artemis

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by F87source

Probably bad news for redbull as it's not going to be an easy fix.

Undoubtedly Red Bull will take a closer look at the power unit temperature data: does it feature excessive peak values compromising engine longevity (an issue with engine heat management) ?

Forthcoming weekend: the layout of the Saudi Arabia (Jeddah) circuit with long straights and an average speed of almost 245 km/h per lap, substantially strains the engines in terms of heat management. Let's see how the Red Bull PU will cope with it this time around: if it cannot handle the heat during the 300+ km race, yet another DNF is a risk if the PU is permanently pushed to its limits.

[Foghorn]

Originally Posted by NYG

A bit of hyperbole.

I'd rather see McLaren with a Honda/RBPT engine.

Didn’t they try that already

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Undoubtedly Red Bull will take a closer look at the power unit temperature data: does it feature excessive peak values compromising engine longevity (an issue with engine heat management) ?

Forthcoming weekend: the layout of the Saudi Arabia (Jeddah) circuit with long straights and an average speed of almost 245 km/h per lap, substantially strains the engines in terms of heat management. Let's see how the Red Bull PU will cope with it this time around: if it cannot handle the heat during the 300+ km race, yet another DNF is a risk if the PU is permanently pushed to its limits.

My question is if redbull is capable of a pu fix on their own at this time, or if they are still reliant on honda, and if the latter how much honda is willing to help now that they are out of the game.


MGUK on the honda pu's seem to be problematic as well, and not to mention the power steering issues that plauged tusonda on testing (so there are probably issues there too) so there is alot of issues for redbull to fix.