[TunedM2C]

They're holding this big of a meeting just to tell us when the US M3/M4 configurator will go LIVE? Sweet!

[bmwx3805]

Originally Posted by sali

I want a German made car, not made in USA. If I want one made in USA, I will get Caddy.

a bmw is a bmw no matter where it is produced. the quality will always be there wither it is produced in germany or the usa.

[bmwx3805]

Originally Posted by solstice

I doubt BMW want to manufacture the 3 or 5 in the US. It would cause problem on home turf where current jobs and expansion of existing lines is important for German jobs.

Maybe I'm just biased since I also want a German manufactured BMW and one that qualifies for European Delivery...

My guess is new models to be made in the USA.

the x3 x5 x6 can all be had with euro delivery

[bmwx3805]

Originally Posted by motorsport_cat

tweet bark

[Diver]

BMW is switching to rubber band drive.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by bmwx1803

the x3 x5 x6 can all be had with euro delivery

For a US customer? I strongly doubt that, but I suppose it is possible. Seems like it would be a prohibitively costly process.

[professor_yo]

Originally Posted by alpinweiss 335i

iPhone 6!

+1
Phahaha!!!

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

For a US customer? I strongly doubt that, but I suppose it is possible. Seems like it would be a prohibitively costly process.

Unless it is a US customer living or based in Europe.

But the sales team would reject any application for a car built in the USA , shipped to Europe and then back to the US again. They would point you in the direction of the Performance Centre pick-up in Spartanburg.

They have rejected previous requests for US manufactured and US bought vehicles being shipped for European Delivery.

[Roki_014]

Originally Posted by sali

I want a German made car, not made in USA. If I want one made in USA, I will get Caddy.

designed in Germany manufactured in US

[five3three]

Originally Posted by bmwx1803

the x3 x5 x6 can all be had with euro delivery

For a US customer? I doubt that. Those models are not left out by accident on the European Delivery webpage:

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...erYourBMW.aspx

They are not going to ship a car to Europe then ship it back to the US and give you a discount just so you can save some money.

[darksilkx1]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

For a US customer? I strongly doubt that, but I suppose it is possible. Seems like it would be a prohibitively costly process.

More prohibitive than BMW building a Euro X5/X6 engine in Germany, shipping the engine to USA, only to turn around and ship the completed car back to Europe? Probably I guess. I asked that question during my Welt/factory visit last year. No useful responses.

I actually didn't know Mercedes was about to start building the C class in Alabama, I thought they only built the ML and GL. That means a lot more of those ubiquitous C250's driving around with a shorter time to dealer. BMW has no choice but to respond.

In other news, VW pockets $23k on the sale of every new Porsche. No wonder they don't give a crap about special lease deals or promotions to move volumes.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...gn_id=DN031314

[darksilkx1]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

code name: Silkroad

Silkroad? BMW is building an online bazaar for illegal BMW upgrades ?

The answer is in this article......... somewhere

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...ine-plant.html

[328if30ri]

Originally Posted by alpinweiss 335i

iPhone 6!

Lol

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by darksilkx1

More prohibitive than BMW building a Euro X5/X6 engine in Germany, shipping the engine to USA, only to turn around and ship the completed car back to Europe? Probably I guess. I asked that question during my Welt/factory visit last year. No useful responses

It's not the same type of situation. They ship tens of thousands of engines as part of the supply chain on a routine schedule. Putting a customer car on a ship and through customs twice is not logistically equivalent to that.

If BMW were to allow you to ship the car twice, they might as well just call it worldwide delivery and let you go wherever you want, and regardless of where your car is built for that matter. If you can ship an X5 to Germany and back you can ship my M3 to Abu Dhabi and then to the US. Sure it could be done. But this isn't what the ED program is about.

[darksilkx1]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

It's not the same type of situation. They ship tens of thousands of engines as part of the supply chain on a routine schedule. Putting a customer car on a ship and through customs twice is not logistically equivalent to that.

If BMW were to allow you to ship the car twice, they might as well just call it worldwide delivery and let you go wherever you want, and regardless of where your car is built for that matter. If you can ship an X5 to Germany and back you can ship my M3 to Abu Dhabi and then to the US. Sure it could be done. But this isn't what the ED program is about.

You'll get no argument from me on any of your comments, that's why I said above that I 'm guessing its more cost prohibitive. My larger point was to the overall inefficiency and cost of the round the world engine trips in the grand scheme of things and the potential benefits of a US engine plant especially for the US manufactured models.

[five3three]

Originally Posted by darksilkx1

You'll get no argument from me on any of your comments, that's why I said above that I 'm guessing its more cost prohibitive. My larger point was to the overall inefficiency and cost of the round the world engine trips in the grand scheme of things and the potential benefits of a US engine plant especially for the US manufactured models.

I don't think it's that expensive to ship the engine by itself. They can stuff many of those in a container and with the volume they ship, the price would be negligible, especially for a high volume shipper like BMW. To them, using existing plants may be more cost efficient that setting up a US engine plant, who knows. I'm sure they have people they pay to run those figures for them.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by bmwx1803

its not at all impossible. you can 100% take delivery of the x3,x5,x6 at the welt and its 100% included in the purchase price.

Fantastic. For the sake of the discussion, I'll assume you are 100% correct.

But, some people are more skeptical. For those people, perhaps you'd be kind enough to show us a link to a post or write-up somewhere on the internet from someone who has done so?

Edit: Oh, but now you've deleted your post. I guess maybe you've decided you were wrong. If not, feel free to come back and discuss it again sometime. Cheers.

[bmwx3805]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

For a US customer? I strongly doubt that, but I suppose it is possible. Seems like it would be a prohibitively costly process.

you were right and i was wrong i really thought you could but you cant. either way i did the pcd with my x1 and it was amazing. anyone would enjoy it.

[BMW_Belgier]

Originally Posted by Technic

Let's see... you already sell 100,000+ 3-Series, and 50,000+ 5-Series annually in the USA. The X7 should be obvious at this point as the GL is eating your candies in that market with impunity, and such model is as easy as 3 more inches of wheelbase on an X5.

Yes, all of the above indeed.

And europe doesn't need an X7...

It's logical to build where the car is sold...

[mrbelk]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Ugh. Feels like ED is under threat.

I don't think so. BMW already makes some US-bound 3ers in South Africa, yet you can still do ED on 3ers. Even if they do open a production line in the US for some North American 3er's, I can't see them shifting _all_ North American 3/5/etc. production here, keeping open the possibility of the Euro Delivery experience on the 3er.

-MrB

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by mrbelk

I don't think so. BMW already makes some US-bound 3ers in South Africa, yet you can still do ED on 3ers. Even if they do open a production line in the US for some North American 3er's, I can't see them shifting _all_ North American 3/5/etc. production here, keeping open the possibility of the Euro Delivery experience on the 3er.

-MrB

Hypothetically?

If assembly of the 4 available 3er models 320i , 328i , 328d and 335i is moved to the USA. These vehicles will be removed from European Delivery.

Hypothetically the 3er GT , possibly Touring if it does not get removed altogether Active Hybrid and M3 will still be built in Germany.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Hypothetically?

If assembly of the 4 available 3er models 320i , 328i , 328d and 335i is moved to the USA. These vehicles will be removed from European Delivery.

Hypothetically the 3er GT , possibly Touring if it does not get removed altogether Active Hybrid and M3 will still be built in Germany.

Since we are kind of off-topic...

I've never understood why BMW does not offer "American (tourists)Delivery" for Germans and Europeans who want to tour Spartenburg and travel around the USA in their new X-series, and then ship it over to the Welt(or their home dealer) for re-delivery.