10-23-2013, 02:20 AM | #89 |
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I owned a BRZ and I have to admit it is a fun car but dont buy it right now imo... it isnt reliable at all. I had the injector seal issue which a lot of people are starting to get and a front control arm bolt ripped a hole out of my unibody frame. I track a lot but my friends who have the same car who tracks with me every time I go dont have this issue and they drive the car just as hard as I do if not harder. Yes it is extremely fun but imo in the long run it isnt worth it. You end up getting over it and wishing bits of the interior is better and that the Subaru paint isnt so shitty and easy to chip. Did I mention the glass is thin and cracked the third day I owned it? Dont like the 370z so hence why I am looking for a z4m coupe and selling my BRZ.
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10-23-2013, 06:30 PM | #90 |
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Actually the Z is quite a bit lighter and nimbler than an E92 M3. It's the same size and weight as an E46 M3. The engine has a rough note but is actually one of if not the best V6 engines in the market right now. Very powerful. Can easily surpass 100 hp/L with a proper exhaust, intake, and tune. 7500 rpm. Cheap. reliable. And with a proper oil cooler can handle spirited drives and track driving. And there are plenty of cheap super and turbo charging kits. Suffice to say, the VQ is so good that Nissan used it as a starting point to build the VR twin turbo engine in the GTR.
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I use to be a Z fan until I drove the lineup at the track recently and came back dissapointed. To me i don't care how much power that engine puts out. It sounds like crap and is the roughest reving engine I have ever drove. But if you love it I respect that it's just not my type of sportscar. |
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10-23-2013, 06:44 PM | #95 |
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I have about 20 hours of track time on the M3 E92. It's one of the best cars I have driven. I find it very tossable on the track, and very neutral after a proper alighnment Do you actually like the 370z better?
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10-23-2013, 07:03 PM | #97 | |
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Speedaddict: -have you read all the posts in the thread? :-P
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I agree with you that even a stock (alignment and all) E92 handles very well, even more neutral than the E46 which had the typical BMW understeer-to-power-on-oversteer characteristic. In this sense, you could say the E46 feels heavy and very much like a heavy turd-bucket. The 370 probably isn't as bad as a stock E46 M3 in this regards. -Same with the 350Z which is one of the best stock drifting cars ive driven. For track use, it's really hard to compete with the front tire you can fit under Zs. |
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So you did change the alignment? Well, how do you know the Z, or the Civic, or the Dodge Caravan or whatever won't be "tossable" with a different alignment setup? The fact is that a stock unmodified M3 comes from the factory with loads of understeer. That isn't helped by the front heavy weight bias either. Anyone who has driven on a track knows it. Just like anyone who has driven on the track can feel the 3700 lb curb weight.
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BTW I never said a 12C, Italia, or Zonda. Your being silly but a brand new Nismo 370z is 43k. Ok now read slow so you understand. A new Boxter is 50k and a Cayman is 52k so they are not that much more. Also you can pick up a used Z06 for around 40k or less depending on the year and mileage. I don't think you understand my point. If you like the 370z love it and that is fine with me. But I prefer more balanced cars. "You like what you like" sorry if this offends you. |
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Yes I agree with you. I respect your opinion because you are not a bench racer like some of the others on this fourm. You make good points and don't start getting offensive. It just comes down to you like what you like. You like torque and drifting, that's kool with me. |
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You're in no position to criticize anyone's car knowledge. You think a Juke is more fun to drive than a 370z. That says it all about your so-called "knowledge".
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+1. However if you put 370Z sized tires on a FRS, it wouldn't be a whole lot of fun (from a rotation/sliding standpoint).
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I agree. Mechanical grip should match chassis limitations and engine output. You've gotta have a little slip and slide!
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