[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I forgot about the Z4M. You're right in a lot of what you said.

However using those same cars, that's probably the only time you could cross shop a corvette with something from BMW. A base C7 stingray. Not a C8 stingray but a C7. Because FE vs FE. A C8 is totally different in driving dynamics, feel and power delivery over a C7. And i own a C7Z. I know how much better the C8 platform is. And i only experienced the C8 stingray, as most would since the C8Z didn't hit the streets yet.

The only issue i have with something of a Z4M is that for 65k? You get a 382hp engine. Which i know is potent but with a corvette, you're ALWAYS getting a V8. There is no 4cyl option like a camaro or a mustang. With a corvette, it's V8 in every single variant. From base model to the top of the line ZR1. And it just gets more powerful and crazier as you go up in the corvette variant lineup.

I know corvettes aren't meant for most and this thread isn't to make people want/love a corvette. You either love them or you don't. But people need to understand they're popular and loved by many for a reason. It's essentially a race car for the street. Loads of power, reliability, fun factor and style.

Well the Z4M was out with the C6 really, not the C7, but they are all the same format, which 2-door 2-seat sports coupe. The mid-engine C8 is still a 2-door sports coupe and the mid-engine Cayman was always matched to the Z4 Coupe in comparison tests, so I'm not sure engine placement is relevant to the comparison of the cars; more at price points perhaps.

I think we are getting into a circle.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Well the Z4M was out with the C6 really, not the C7, but they are all the same format, which 2-door 2-seat sports coupe. The mid-engine C8 is still a 2-door sports coupe and the mid-engine Cayman was always matched to the Z4 Coupe in comparison tests, so I'm not sure engine placement is relevant to the comparison of the cars; more at price points perhaps.

I think we are getting into a circle.

I haven't followed BMW models at all but i just checked and i still see they're making the Z4 so i guess you could say you can cross shop it with a C7 stingray. Not a C7 z06 because the z06 would annihilate a Z4 in every single category you can think of.

The cayman could be cross shopped with a C8. If you're talking about similarities. Not so much performance. Unless you're talking about a 718 GT4. Then i think that's on par with a C8 stingray.

Once we enter z06/zr1 realms, all bets are off. And neither the cayman, nor the Z4, or any bmw M car would compete.

Like what was said, they're different class of cars.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by RM7

Ever see a turbo-boost gauge as you climb in altitude?

It does not meet the SL target boost as you climb, it loses about an inch of MP for every 1000'. It only meets that target boost pressure at SL. Do you believe you are holding constant boost pressure as you climb? The ECU doesn't "target" boost pressure like you think. The turbo has a certain volumetric efficiency and can supply max boost under certain conditions, which is SL, RPM (exhaust), etc. When you climb up in altitude, it has no choice but to try and spin faster to try and compress the less dense air...but it doesn't make more pressure past it's maximum volumetric efficiency, it makes less, still boosted and still making pressure of course. They aren't infinite power generators.

Targeting and achieving are two differing items. Factory tuning does not require maximum effort or efficiency from factory turbos. Yes, I've watched my boost gauges in my centrifugal supercharged, roots charged and turbo charged vehicles. The only ones that didn't hit SL boost levels at higher altitude were my supercharged cars.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I haven't followed BMW models at all but i just checked and i still see they're making the Z4 so i guess you could say you can cross shop it with a C7 stingray. Not a C7 z06 because the z06 would annihilate a Z4 in every single category you can think of.

The cayman could be cross shopped with a C8. If you're talking about similarities. Not so much performance. Unless you're talking about a 718 GT4. Then i think that's on par with a C8 stingray.

Once we enter z06/zr1 realms, all bets are off. And neither the cayman, nor the Z4, or any bmw M car would compete.

Like what was said, they're different class of cars.

*cough* the Z06 is still NA *cough*

The ZR1 is a valid conversation.... til then the C8 is still boring.

My main roofer just bought a brand new C8 and the spec on it was Mort impressive on the interior than the rest.

[BGM-M3COMP]

NA V8 making almost 700hp. They made history.

z06's weren't meant to be roll racers. They were meant to shred up race tracks. It's rumored to mark a 7 minute or faster lap time at the ring. Something a factory M car would never ever see.

Plus the soundtrack alone is worth the admission. People can't get them. Everyone wants one lol.

I'll be glad to show it off when i get mine.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I haven't followed BMW models at all but i just checked and i still see they're making the Z4 so i guess you could say you can cross shop it with a C7 stingray. Not a C7 z06 because the z06 would annihilate a Z4 in every single category you can think of.

The cayman could be cross shopped with a C8. If you're talking about similarities. Not so much performance. Unless you're talking about a 718 GT4. Then i think that's on par with a C8 stingray.

Once we enter z06/zr1 realms, all bets are off. And neither the cayman, nor the Z4, or any bmw M car would compete.

Like what was said, they're different class of cars.

BMW stopped making dedicated sports cars so any C8 vs. BMW comparison is stupid. I would be interested to see Z06 vs. Carrera GTS. Should be closer in performance than people think.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

BMW stopped making dedicated sports cars so any C8 vs. BMW comparison is stupid. I would be interested to see Z06 vs. Carrera GTS. Should be closer in performance than people think.

The z06 is targeting the GT3. The C7Z crushed the carrera GTS ring time.

Like i said the C8 z06 is rumored to run the ring in 7 minutes flat or better. That is GT3 territory.

A very tough task but if GM built this z06 right, it could do it.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

BMW stopped making dedicated sports cars so any C8 vs. BMW comparison is stupid. I would be interested to see Z06 vs. Carrera GTS. Should be closer in performance than people think.

Precisely. Sad.

[Alfisti]

So what are Porsche doing with the GT3 to have it competitive with the Z at a solid 150hp down? Lightness?

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

So what are Porsche doing with the GT3 to have it competitive with the Z at a solid 150hp down? Lightness?

yes, smaller and lighter and amazing cornering at high speeds due to sophisticated aero, suspension, and weight distribution. In other words, Z06 is a street car, GT3 is much more track ready.

[dgoldenz]

GT3 is a marvel of modern engineering. One of the best cars I’ve ever driven. Still want a z06 anyway.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

So what are Porsche doing with the GT3 to have it competitive with the Z at a solid 150hp down? Lightness?

Maybe make it mid-engined...

[Humdizzle]

porsche is quite a bit lighter (500-600 pounds). and offers a manual.

z06 vs pdk gt3... i'd have a tough time deciding. i'd have to test drive first. fpc v8s sound good, i had a 458, but gt3 4.0 is right up there with it in the higher rpms.

[R N M]

I would not pick Z06 over any Porsche GT car. Some people get jaded way too much by numbers or Nurburgring lap times which really don’t mean anything to how a car feels.

Corvette has always felt floaty, comfy with less direct inputs. The C8 has continued this trend. Porsche GT cars are engineered to a much higher standard and give you more driving engagement/direct inputs than any other sports car.

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by R N M

I would not pick Z06 over any Porsche GT car. Some people get jaded way too much by numbers or Nurburgring lap times which really don’t mean anything to how a car feels.

Corvette has always felt floaty, comfy with less direct inputs. The C8 has continued this trend. Porsche GT cars are engineered to a much higher standard and give you more driving engagement/direct inputs than any other sports car.

It's double the price. So I would hope your getting better everything in that case. In my
Opinion, you can not compare cars when one is double the price as the other. A Nissan Maxima is 40 G's. You are going to compare that to you G-82 x-drive?

[swanson]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

So what are Porsche doing with the GT3 to have it competitive with the Z at a solid 150hp down? Lightness?

Lying

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

So what are Porsche doing with the GT3 to have it competitive with the Z at a solid 150hp down? Lightness?

Compare the weights to both cars.

Also when porsche makes hero laps on whatever track, they use their OWN tires. Their cupR's aren't the same as cup2's that GM uses for their test. Tires make a HUGE difference.

Porsche really owns the nurburgring but most US tracks corvette beats porsche.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

yes, smaller and lighter and amazing cornering at high speeds due to sophisticated aero, suspension, and weight distribution. In other words, Z06 is a street car, GT3 is much more track ready.

GM suspension is top tier man lol.

You do realize even ferrari borrowed suspension technology from GM right? The magnetic ride.

z06's are GM's track car.

The unofficial time of 7:13 was clocked for the C7 z06. That's unofficial.

The new C8 z06 is rumored to be faster than 7 minutes flat. That's in the realm of some of the fastest track cars ever.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

It's double the price. So I would hope your getting better everything in that case. In my
Opinion, you can not compare cars when one is double the price as the other. A Nissan Maxima is 40 G's. You are going to compare that to you G-82 x-drive?

lol incredible.

People hate corvette so much that they'll still turn down a car GM will offer for 100k (maybe even less) that has 670hp, a v8, sounds like a ferrari, with supercar looks, and rumored to run 7 minutes flat or better a the ring, because corvette is too floaty with less direct outputs? lol

I hope to see pics of everyone's GT3 in their driveway soon lol. For a great price of 200k or more because of markup.

Someone really has never driven a corvette before. And especially not a C8. It is completely different. And that's only a stingray.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

GM suspension is top tier man lol.

You do realize even ferrari borrowed suspension technology from GM right? The magnetic ride.

z06's are GM's track car.

The unofficial time of 7:13 was clocked for the C7 z06. That's unofficial.

The new C8 z06 is rumored to be faster than 7 minutes flat. That's in the realm of some of the fastest track cars ever.

I have to ask - have you ever driven a Corvette or a 911?
These cars could not be more different in how they feel and the driving inputs.

You sound that you get all your info from magazine data and watching YouTube videos.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

It's double the price. So I would hope your getting better everything in that case. In my
Opinion, you can not compare cars when one is double the price as the other. A Nissan Maxima is 40 G's. You are going to compare that to you G-82 x-drive?

GT4 is same price as the new Z06.

GT3 in base form is about $60k more than new Z06 with Z07 package.

Both are better cars overall and weigh 600-700lbs less.

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by R N M

GT4 is same price as the new Z06.

GT3 in base form is about $60k more than new Z06 with Z07 package.

Both are better cars overall and weigh 600-700lbs less.

How much is the Z06? Even if you are correct, OK 60'grand more!! Lol. What's your point? Yes, I would take a GT3 over the Vette. I have a deposit down on one, even though it maybe 2025 lol. The GT4 is not a GT3. Again, comparing 2 different cars.