Lewis vs. Max

Bongoxxx · 10-24-2020, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Negative mate . What we would like is to get the Mercs Party-Mode in the RB16 !
By this we could watch finally a real F1 battle in the front and not just a scene on repeat made by Benz !

So where’s Red Bull’s engineers? Where’s their development? Too busy drinking red bulls growing wings

tdott · 10-24-2020, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

As I said already 100 times . To know who is the best : Equal machinery is required !

F1 is not fair . And it will never be fair .

Then Max should goto Indy car or something. Never going to happen in F1, you can cry all you want. Hamilton proved he could win a WDC without a dominant car. Max really hasn't proven anything yet.

It's also a team sport. Even with a faster car and possibly cheating engine, Ferrari couldn't hold it together to beat the Mercs.

SenorFunkyPants · 10-25-2020, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Absolutely the right place my friend.
Once HAM agrees then it will be an interesting showdown!

I suspect that after fridays very unpleasant tantrum from Verstappen aimed at Stroll...the chances that Verstappen will ever get to drive a Mercedes is even less likely.
While Verstappen may say its not his problem, Red Bull saw it differently and gave Verstappen a hard talking to about his childish behaviour.

M5Rick · 10-25-2020, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

I suspect that after fridays very unpleasant tantrum from Verstappen aimed at Stroll...the chances that Verstappen will ever get to drive a Mercedes is even less likely.
While Verstappen may say its not his problem, Red Bull saw it differently and gave Verstappen a hard talking to about his childish behaviour.

I doubt it, VER had every right to be be upset. if someone crunched your M for no reason would you say 'oh never mind' and I'm sure Horner understood his frustration in the circumstances.

SenorFunkyPants · 10-25-2020, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

I doubt it, VER had every right to be be upset. if someone crunched your M for no reason would you say 'oh never mind' and I'm sure Horner understood his frustration in the circumstances.

Whats the point of throwing a tantrum after the event?
It doesn't change anything...in this case it just made Verstappen look like a deeply unpleasant person.
The stewards looked at the event to see if Verstappen was sufficiently at fault to deserve a penalty but decided to let it go.
Verstappen doesn't even have the self awareness to accept that the fault was his and at the very least say nothing.

M5Rick · 10-25-2020, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Whats the point of throwing a tantrum after the event?
It doesn't change anything...in this case it just made Verstappen look like a deeply unpleasant person.
The stewards looked at the event to see if Verstappen was sufficiently at fault to deserve a penalty but decided to let it go.
Verstappen doesn't even have the self awareness to accept that the fault was his and at the very least say nothing.

Come on it was STR who turned into him,he has mirrors and it was a pure schoolboy error. The stewards let it go as one of those things to let STR off as he had just returned recovering from illness.

///M Power-Belgium · 10-25-2020, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bongoxxx

So where’s Red Bull’s engineers? Where’s their development? Too busy drinking red bulls growing wings

Never heard of top-secret ?
To make a F1 car faster, the development costs hundreds of millions and are top-secret !
Some call it innovations . Others call it cheating ...

Bongoxxx · 10-25-2020, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Never heard of top-secret ?
To make a F1 car faster, the development costs hundreds of millions and are top-secret !
Some call it innovations . Others call it cheating ...

So secret they can’t keep up

Maybe some of the RB budget in excess of $400 million should go into development instead of stoking Max’s already massive ego.

Chappers 71 · 10-25-2020, 08:55 AM

I suspect a large part of Lewis's success is due to him having been groomed by 'Big' Ron Dennis since he was a little boy

///M Power-Belgium · 10-25-2020, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bongoxxx

So secret they can’t keep up

Maybe some of the RB budget in excess of $400 million should go into development instead of stoking Max’s already massive ego.

Mate .MAX can't beat HAM's ego ! "Mission Impossible" !
Regarding ego : HAM is the winner ...

MKSixer · 10-25-2020, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chappers 71

I suspect a large part of Lewis's success is due to him having been groomed by 'Big' Ron Dennis since he was a little boy

HAM was actually dropped by McLaren at one time.

MKSixer · 10-25-2020, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mate .MAX can't beat HAM's ego ! "Mission Impossible" !
Regarding ego : HAM is the winner ...

Max TELLS everyone he is the best on the track. Lewis demonstrates that he is the best on the track. Season after season. Race after race. Qualifying session after qualifying session.

Actions speak louder than words.

///M Power-Belgium · 10-25-2020, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Max TELLS everyone he is the best on the track. Lewis demonstrates that he is the best on the track. Season after season. Race after race. Qualifying session after qualifying session.

Actions speak louder than words.

Don't think so my friend . From what I heard : MAX always said I'll show that on the track ...
But he always said : The Merc is always faster , the RB16 has lack of power and
we are hoping to close the gap...

M5Rick · 10-25-2020, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Don't think so my friend . From what I heard : MAX always said I'll show that on the track ...
But he always said : The Merc is always faster , the RB16 has lack of power and
we are hoping to close the gap...

What we want is Watneys,no!.. actually the Merc PARTY MODE.

minn19 · 10-25-2020, 11:06 AM

Speaking of machinery differences, are Red Bull cars wider than Mercs? They sure seem to (especially with VER behind the wheel) hit a lot of other cars more than HAM/BOT.

Kidding aside, this weekend shows why HAM as currently still the much better driver than VER. VER spent his weekend running into Racing Points and crying about who's fault it was. He blames PER "for not giving him enough space?"

Meanwhile HAM keeps his head after a rough start and eventually you see the result. VER freaks out and still tries too get everything back at once after a bad start and unfortunately PER had to pay for his impatience this time.

At this point I'd like to see PER in a Red Bull car and see what he could do. I think the results would be surprising, especially for VER.

Edit: Also, somehow he finds a way to get the hards warmed up quicker/finds traction where BOT (and others) couldn't and falls behind a 1/4 of a lap. I'd rather see other people win to, but HAM is at the top of the game and way ahead of everyone else right now talent wise/regardless of machinary.

///M Power-Belgium · 10-25-2020, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minn19

Speaking of machinery differences, are Red Bull cars wider than Mercs? They sure seem to (especially with VER behind the wheel) hit a lot of other cars more than HAM/BOT.

Kidding aside, this weekend shows why HAM as currently still the much better driver than VER. VER spent his weekend running into Racing Points and crying about who's fault it was. He blames PER "for not giving him enough space?"

Meanwhile HAM keeps his head after a rough start and eventually you see the result. VER freaks out and still tries too get everything back at once after a bad start and unfortunately PER had to pay for his impatience this time.

At this point I'd like to see PER in a Red Bull car and see what he could do. I think the results would be surprising, especially for VER.

Edit: Also, somehow he finds a way to get the hards warmed up quicker/finds traction where BOT (and others) couldn't and falls behind a 1/4 of a lap. I'd rather see other people win to, but HAM is at the top of the game and way ahead of everyone else right now talent wise/regardless of machinary.

In other words : "DAS" did a great job today .

minn19 · 10-25-2020, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

In other words : "DAS" did a great job today .

Yah apparently it helps avoid running into other cars as well all weekend to eh?

DAS wasn't helping BOT stay with HAM. And it didn't keep BOT that far ahead of VER. How about last year with no DAS?

Keep the excuses coming, it is entertaining.

5.M0NSTER · 10-25-2020, 11:30 AM

What a surprise it must be to VER fans when the fastest guy in qualifying ends up being the fastest guy in the race.

Also huge surprise that Merc have better engineers in place to work on THEIR OWN chassis AND motor. And that they secures the best drivers to consistently secure victories and points in those cars.

But let's just keep telling max that he's better than everyone else. What a fucking joke.

Guess what? Merc is now working on their '21 car. Which means Merc will have more of an edge next year. Get used to this.

///M Power-Belgium · 10-25-2020, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minn19

Yah apparently it helps avoid running into other cars as well all weekend to eh?

DAS wasn't helping BOT stay with HAM. And it didn't keep BOT that far ahead of VER. How about last year with no DAS?

Keep the excuses coming, it is entertaining.

1- Last year the Mercs Party-Mode was ruling with 1080 HP .
2- The Mercs tires cooling invention-cheating worked outstanding as well...

BOT got today a red led popping up , and suddenly he got lack of power while he was P1 !
Made by Toto and HAM's overtake was a few laps later a fact .

MKSixer · 10-25-2020, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

1- Last year the Mercs Party-Mode was ruling with 1080 HP .
2- The Mercs tires cooling invention-cheating worked outstanding as well...

BOT got today a red led popping up , and suddenly he got lack of power while he was P1 !
Made by Toto and HAM's overtake was a few laps later a fact .

Oh please.

MKSixer · 10-25-2020, 11:54 AM

On another note:

Race Wins:

Senna - 41
Prost - 51+
HAM = 92

Ironically, this represents the transition in Hamilton's career from a Senna-"esque" driver to a Prost-"esque" driver.

His explanation of his thought and action process during the opening laps was a clinic. Compare this to Max speaking of Perez, "HE didn't leave me enough room so HE took HIMSELF out of the race."

Once Max decides to drive his own car he will get the result all of his fans wish for.

MKSixer · 10-25-2020, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minn19

Yah apparently it helps avoid running into other cars as well all weekend to eh?

DAS wasn't helping BOT stay with HAM. And it didn't keep BOT that far ahead of VER. How about last year with no DAS?

Keep the excuses coming, it is entertaining.

These VER supporters must have the most fit minds in the history of the world from all of the mental gymnastics necessary to justify this BS.

View Poll Results: Who is the best driver?
Lewis Hamilton	54	83.08%
Max Verstappen	11	16.92%
Voters: 65. You may not vote on this poll

10-25-2020, 08:55 AM	#97
Chappers 71 Major General 5985 Rep 5,735 Posts Drives: Beige G31 540ix m sport Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Kent, The Garden of England iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 G31 xdrive 40i ... [7.40] 2006 E92 335i SE [9.50]	I suspect a large part of Lewis's success is due to him having been groomed by 'Big' Ron Dennis since he was a little boy __________________ G31 40ix M Sport E92 335i. E36 328is coupe E39 540i V8 6SP manual E34 3.6 M5. E34 525i sport. VW Jetta Mk2 GTI 16v. 1679cc 1967 resto-cal beetle
	Appreciate 2 ///M Power-Belgium72496.00 M5Rick70831.00 Quote

10-25-2020, 11:06 AM	#103
minn19 Lieutenant General 14743 Rep 10,375 Posts Drives: 24 6MT M2, 25 X5 M60, 24 Truk Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Minnesota iTrader: (0)	Speaking of machinery differences, are Red Bull cars wider than Mercs? They sure seem to (especially with VER behind the wheel) hit a lot of other cars more than HAM/BOT. Kidding aside, this weekend shows why HAM as currently still the much better driver than VER. VER spent his weekend running into Racing Points and crying about who's fault it was. He blames PER "for not giving him enough space?" Meanwhile HAM keeps his head after a rough start and eventually you see the result. VER freaks out and still tries too get everything back at once after a bad start and unfortunately PER had to pay for his impatience this time. At this point I'd like to see PER in a Red Bull car and see what he could do. I think the results would be surprising, especially for VER. Edit: Also, somehow he finds a way to get the hards warmed up quicker/finds traction where BOT (and others) couldn't and falls behind a 1/4 of a lap. I'd rather see other people win to, but HAM is at the top of the game and way ahead of everyone else right now talent wise/regardless of machinary.
	Appreciate 1 MKSixer34158.50 Quote

10-25-2020, 11:30 AM	#106
5.M0NSTER Lieutenant Colonel 3362 Rep 1,823 Posts Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Back in Michigan, GO BLUE! iTrader: (0)	What a surprise it must be to VER fans when the fastest guy in qualifying ends up being the fastest guy in the race. Also huge surprise that Merc have better engineers in place to work on THEIR OWN chassis AND motor. And that they secures the best drivers to consistently secure victories and points in those cars. But let's just keep telling max that he's better than everyone else. What a fucking joke. Guess what? Merc is now working on their '21 car. Which means Merc will have more of an edge next year. Get used to this. __________________ 2017 BMW M2 German Spec 6MT, Driver's Package --> SOLD 2018 Camaro SS 1LE. Because race car! "Redline a day keeps the mechanics away"
	Appreciate 1 MKSixer34158.50 Quote

10-25-2020, 11:54 AM	#109
MKSixer Lieutenant General 34159 Rep 11,637 Posts Drives: 2015 BMW i8, E63 M6, 328d Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Southeast United States iTrader: (0) Garage List 2016 M4 GTS (Allotted) [0.00] 2013 BMW 328d [0.00] 2007 BMW M6 [10.00] 2015 BMW i8 [10.00]	On another note: Race Wins: Senna - 41 Prost - 51+ HAM = 92 Ironically, this represents the transition in Hamilton's career from a Senna-"esque" driver to a Prost-"esque" driver. His explanation of his thought and action process during the opening laps was a clinic. Compare this to Max speaking of Perez, "HE didn't leave me enough room so HE took HIMSELF out of the race." Once Max decides to drive his own car he will get the result all of his fans wish for. __________________ Several actors have played James Bond, Sean Connery IS James Bond... Sir 7ewis, 7X FIA Formula One World Championship, World Driving Champion. 100 Wins. 101 Pole Positions. 54 Fastest Laps. Actual Rain Master. Leave me to it, Bono. One Race Win in each of his 15 years in F1. Most Laps Led in Formula One. The Centurion.
	Appreciate 3 minn1914743.00 EdM54102.50 yco6048.00 Quote