[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by MassNerd

How does the Volvo know I'm at the track? GPS?

This is still a hypothetical discussion. They can make whatever they want.
But tbh most people who go to a track or drag strip don't use a Volvo (yes to get there, towing a trailer with the race car on it as that is something volvo's do really well), so that makes it even more hypothetical.

[InnerBlueSkies]

Most responsible licensed driver's don't exceed 112mph and those who do don't maintain their licenses too long. I'd support a 10 revocation for those who go through school zones at 112mph

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Why are people purposely neglecting Volvo's plan to limit speeds (not top speed) on roadways that some unknown person decides to draw a geofence around? I'd bet money NYC will petition Volvo to draw one of these geofences around the entire island of Manhattan, if not all five boroughs. Think about your Volvo being limited to the 25 mph because the Governor and/or Mayor decided they want you to be limited to the posted speed limit anyplace in Manhattan.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Sure, but thats not the public road.

Volvo has no issue with going as fast as you can on a track or dragstrip.

This is purely a discussion about speeds on the public roads.

This isn't at all "purely a discussion about speeds on the (sic) public roads." This is about overly intrusive safety technology. I guess you have faith that Volvo will also draw unrestricted-speed geofences around racetracks? I'll tell you I sure as Hell don't share your confidence.

Who would I petition to approve such a geofence? What happens if I disagree with their decision?

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

This is still a hypothetical discussion. They can make whatever they want.
But tbh most people who go to a track or drag strip don't use a Volvo (yes to get there, towing a trailer with the race car on it as that is something volvo's do really well), so that makes it even more hypothetical.

You people dont seem to understand the spirit of America

It dont matter how many school zones and hospitals zones there are, nobody should be able to put a speed limit on my car

Does that mean i ride 120 mph in a school.zone?

NO! of course not, that would mean endangering litle children, nobody with their head screwed on straight would do that

But who the HECK are you or volvo to tell me how fast my car can go potentially?

There are racetracks, and other such places where going over 112mph is acceptable.

Risk is a part of life in general, you cant go limiting things all in the name of proy3cting people from potential hazards,

If the human species took that kind of approach, we would never have broke the sound barrier with jets , or sent probes into space

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

This is about overly intrusive safety technology.

You think its overly intrusive.
But you have the choice to buy a Volvo or not, don't you?
Just like you have a choice to buy a car that can't even reach 112mph.
When it comes to the legal issues, the law regarding speed limits on the open road doesn't reach to racetracks, so there will never be a system that prohibits you to race on racetracks. Your worries are in vain.
Just like the emissions in california now. Lots of technical mods are not allowed on the open road, but are allowed on racetracks.
This would be similar.

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

If the human species took that kind of approach, we would never have broke the sound barrier with jets , or sent probes into space

What has that got to do with speed limits on the road?
Your view is very childish in my eyes.
Your car is already very limited in the name of protecting people in one way or another but you're just to dumb or technically limited to understand that.
I mean, the government already told you to put overly large bumpers on your cars 40 years ago. Told you to fit airbags, catalytic converters, seatbelts etc etc. And your bmw was already speed limited when sold by bmw NA, like already explained in this topic, so if you have a problem with that, you bought the wrong car. BMW is the one that felt to tell you how fast your car potentially can go....

And still people went to the moon or broke sound barriers. But mind you, those were smart people, who realized that that has nothing to do with road safety.
You live in a strange world, seemingly thinking that breaking the sound barrier in a jet or sending a probe in space is cross linked with road safety.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

You think its overly intrusive.
But you have the choice to buy a Volvo or not, don't you?
Just like you have a choice to buy a car that can't even reach 112mph.
When it comes to the legal issues, the law regarding speed limits on the open road doesn't reach to racetracks, so there will never be a system that prohibits you to race on racetracks. Your worries are in vain.
Just like the emissions in california now. Lots of technical mods are not allowed on the open road, but are allowed on racetracks.
This is similar.

Are you incapable of acknowledging the speed restriction isn't intended to be only a top speed limiter? You keep pointing to the top speed limit like it excuses all the other speed limiting. Would you support a vehicle manufacturer limiting your vehicle's speed to the posted speed limit?

Where does this confidence come from where you steadfastly envision vehicles remaining unlimited on racetracks?

This whole thread reminds me of the famous poem about the incrementalism of tyranny by Martin Niemöller...

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[CigarPundit]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Are you incapable of acknowledging the speed restriction isn't intended to be only a top speed limiter? You keep pointing to the top speed limit like it excuses all the other speed limiting. Would you support a vehicle manufacturer limiting your vehicle's speed to the posted speed limit?

Where does this confidence come from where you steadfastly envision vehicles will remain unlimited on racetracks?

This whole thread reminds me of the famous poem about the creep of governmental tyranny by Martin Niemöller...

Although this topic is not about governmental action, it is about incremental intrusion on freedom and autonomy. I believe we are already way over-regulated and limited by sources public and private. And I know it usually comes incrementally. For me, it’s a matter of both principle and preference. No, I’m not okay with this for the reasons I previously stated, and I would never buy such a car. What saddens me is that very few others seem to hold these values dear, and it is making us less great as a species.

[CigarPundit]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

You think its overly intrusive.
But you have the choice to buy a Volvo or not, don't you?
Just like you have a choice to buy a car that can't even reach 112mph.
When it comes to the legal issues, the law regarding speed limits on the open road doesn't reach to racetracks, so there will never be a system that prohibits you to race on racetracks. Your worries are in vain.
Just like the emissions in california now. Lots of technical mods are not allowed on the open road, but are allowed on racetracks.
This would be similar.


What has that got to do with speed limits on the road?
Your view is very childish in my eyes.
Your car is already very limited in the name of protecting people in one way or another but you're just to dumb or technically limited to understand that.
I mean, the government already told you to put overly large bumpers on your cars 40 years ago. Told you to fit airbags, catalytic converters, seatbelts etc etc. And your bmw was already speed limited when sold by bmw NA, like already explained in this topic, so if you have a problem with that, you bought the wrong car. BMW is the one that felt to tell you how fast your car potentially can go....

And still people went to the moon or broke sound barriers. But mind you, those were smart people, who realized that that has nothing to do with road safety.
You live in a strange world, seemingly thinking that breaking the sound barrier in a jet or sending a probe in space is cross linked with road safety.

You just don’t get it. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because the nanny state and the corporate lawyers and marketing wanks have come this far doesn’t mean we should embrace more of it. Your argument that they are already doing stuff you don’t like, so you should embrace more of it is moronic.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

This thread is going to get really good when Volvo announces later this month the other restrictions they plan on integrating into their vehicles. Can't wait to see what they're going to turn off to prevent distracted driving.

How are they going to prevent intoxicated driving anyway? Are all Volvos going to require you to blow into a tube every so often to keep the car operating? How will Volvo police drivers impaired by drugs?

This is so nuts. Like I said earlier... Is their any surprise Volvo is owned by communist China?

[Dogeeseegod]

I just had a similar conversation with my office mate. We talked about big brother telling us what to do and when to do it and I could feel the confined feeling of the government telling me when I can use the roads, at what speed and under what circumstances, even more then they already do. I almost feel like I have the right to break the law and not be so closely monitored that every time I do every official knows about it. I mean, if I got a perversion ticket for each time I pissed off my back porch I'd be in jail for life!

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Are you incapable of acknowledging the speed restriction isn't intended to be only a top speed limiter?

I'm sorry but you haven't read the article.
The article clearly states:

From next year, all new Volvos (beginning with the 2021 model year) will be limited to 112mph (180km/h).

Thats not so difficult to understand I think?

For the rest volvo wants to start a conversation about speeding, driving while intoxicated or distracted.
They dont say anyting about what they will do. Just a conversation.
Or are you afraid to talk about things?
Sounds like you live in a world of fear then. Maybe you suffer from Metathesiophobia
I mean safety belts, airbags, ABS and such systems also started that way.
Also then opposed by (in my eyes very stupid) nay sayers.
But that turned out not so bad either I think.....

I have no problem having tech in a car that prevents people to drive away drunk. I think drinking and driving is an absolute nono.
You ask how they are going to do that in shock and awe, afraid that you have to blow in a tube or whatnot, but that isnt even the issue now.
Who knows what kind of tech they will invent on that. But I'm sure that it won't be something that will mess with the art of driving, as you can be sure that Volvo at least will implement such systems safely.

You know that your reference to Niemöller is an example that you've won the Godwin's law race don't you?

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

You think its overly intrusive.
But you have the choice to buy a Volvo or not, don't you?
Just like you have a choice to buy a car that can't even reach 112mph.
When it comes to the legal issues, the law regarding speed limits on the open road doesn't reach to racetracks, so there will never be a system that prohibits you to race on racetracks. Your worries are in vain.
Just like the emissions in california now. Lots of technical mods are not allowed on the open road, but are allowed on racetracks.
This would be similar.


What has that got to do with speed limits on the road?
Your view is very childish in my eyes.
Your car is already very limited in the name of protecting people in one way or another but you're just to dumb or technically limited to understand that.
I mean, the government already told you to put overly large bumpers on your cars 40 years ago. Told you to fit airbags, catalytic converters, seatbelts etc etc. And your bmw was already speed limited when sold by bmw NA, like already explained in this topic, so if you have a problem with that, you bought the wrong car. BMW is the one that felt to tell you how fast your car potentially can go....

And still people went to the moon or broke sound barriers. But mind you, those were smart people, who realized that that has nothing to do with road safety.
You live in a strange world, seemingly thinking that breaking the sound barrier in a jet or sending a probe in space is cross linked with road safety.

I love the smug arrogance,

Oh you're so 'smart' for being a spineless jellyfish that sways with every wind that comes by.

No no, it is the sovereign right that the Creator gave me to act out my will any way I wish. Those actions will have consequences, but i dont remember someone appointing volvo or ppl like you to determine what parameters the rest of society has to live within.

Yes bmw electronically limited my car to 155mph, but i can pay them to take that limit off when i buy car from them, its called driver package, sentiments of greed aside, the option is there

Volvo is trying to create this utopian socialist vision of society rhat wiil never come into being. Just more control mechanism for corporations and govt melding into a single combine .

Your thinking is so linear and compartmentalized that it cannot comprehend the concept of allegory/metaphor used in my examples. So it's yourself that is lagging behind in the arena of mental capacity my deluded friend.

See that kids, dont be like this guido, a ninnying nelly, hes lost his mojo.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

I love the smug arrogance,

Oh you're so 'smart' for being a spineless jellyfish that sways with every wind that comes by.

No no, it is the sovereign right that the Creator gave me to act out my will any way I wish. Those actions will have consequences, but i dont remember someone appointing volvo or ppl like you to determine what parameters the rest of society has to live within.

Yes bmw electronically limited my car to 155mph, but i can pay them to take that limit off when i buy car from them, its called driver package, sentiments of greed aside, the option is there

Volvo is trying to create this utopian socialist vision of society rhat wiil never come into being. Just more control mechanism for corporations and govt melding into a single combine .

Your thinking is so linear and compartmentalized that it cannot comprehend the concept of allegory/metaphor used in my examples. So it's yourself that is lagging behind in the arena of mental capacity my deluded friend.

See that kids, dont be like this guido, a ninnying nelly, hes lost his mojo.

Thanks for saving me the typing... and helping me retain some small amount of faith in society.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

See that kids, dont be like this guido, a ninnying nelly, hes lost his mojo.

At least I'm not a scared yank hick, too scared that 'they' (the big 'they') take everything away (talk about spineless.....). Every type of false freedom that you live by. (not knowing that the driver package is still electronically limited )
We saw it with making seatbelts complusary, every hick in town objected, stating that it 'intrudes his freedom' or whatever...
Now.... the same thing again. There will always be stupid people I guess, especially in the US.
I bet you have a hard time, living in a world where seatbelts, airbags, abs etc are all compulsory in mass produced cars.

Lets see what I'm going to do tomorrow.....
Maybe hit 175mph on the autobahn 31 again, just because I can and you'll never experience that....
Then again, if you have the ability to do that, you'd know that its not thàt special, and that it certainly won't really help you to get there faster.
But I'm sure that when one thinks that the ability to drive faster than 112mph on public roads is connected with jets breaking the sound barrier or launching things into space, you're far far from the level of understanding this.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

At least I'm not a scared yank hick, too scared that 'they' (the big 'they') take everything away (talk about spineless.....). Every type of false freedom that you live by. (not knowing that the driver package is still electronically limited )
We saw it with making seatbelts complusary, every hick in town objected, stating that it 'intrudes his freedom' or whatever...
Now.... the same thing again. There will always be stupid people I guess, especially in the US.
I bet you have a hard time, living in a world where seatbelts, airbags, abs etc is all compulsory in mass produced cars.

Lets see what I'm going to do tomorrow.....
Maybe hit 175mph on the autobahn 31 again, just because I can and you'll never experience that....
Then again, if you have the ability to do that, you'd know that its not thàt special, and that it certainly won't really help you to get there faster.
But I'm sure that when one thinks that the ability to drive faster than 112mph on public roads is connected with jets breaking the sound barrier or launching things into space, you're far far from the level of understanding this.

Actually i did mention the speed was electronically limited by bmw

Even if the speed is still limited, And i know that it can be coded off aftermarket as well,

But thats beside the point, mr. 'Intellectual', the story is about volvo determining whats best for you without you making that decision yourself

But you keep laughing yourself into a straight jacket in your self imposed delusional world you occupy

There you have it folks, the modern day leftist socialist, who lives in this bizarro world where up is down, good is bad, when they are mercifully explained the core fallacy of their assumptions in beleif, they resort to ad hominem attacks and stereotypes, lol you hicks and your bad orange man

They think that trading in their freedom for security is somehow being 'fearless'.

And just get it straigt I'm a Canadian not from the states, but we here in north America will never accept the slave mentality

Maybe you should just kick those wodden flip flops up on the sofa cushion and call it a night?

Youve been exposed guido

[The Wind Breezes]

Most cars are already limited to around 130, so who cares? If you want to go fast you will mod your volvo, it's hardly a car you buy to haul ass in anyway.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Actually i did mention the speed was electronically limited by bmw

Even if the speed is still limited, And i know that it can be coded off aftermarket as well,

You wrote that the 'driver package' takes away the electronic speed limiter, which is not true.
Guess I'm not the only one who is 'exposed', whatever that might be or mean....

It's also funny that you relate speed restrictions with socialism.
I always thought Germany was way more socialist than the US (and arguably Canada), but they still have unlimited autobahnen...
I'm sure you dont know how that happened....
But then again, you are the man that links speed limits with jets breaking the sound barrier and launching things in space....
I'm sure that in that world it makes perfect sense to have a car thats capable of 112mph+ where the speed limit is 75 and anything below that 112mph top speed is severely limiting your freedom rights.... I'm sure you've also disabled your ABS, cut out your seatbelts and disconnected your airbags....

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

they resort to ad hominem attacks and stereotypes,

Wait what?!?
Who started namecalling people?!?

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by The Wind Breezes

Most cars are already limited to around 130, so who cares? If you want to go fast you will mod your volvo, it's hardly a car you buy to haul ass in anyway.

This isn't just about limiting top speed. Read the press release and thread.

[CigarPundit]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

At least I'm not a scared yank hick, too scared that 'they' (the big 'they') take everything away (talk about spineless.....). Every type of false freedom that you live by. (not knowing that the driver package is still electronically limited )
We saw it with making seatbelts complusary, every hick in town objected, stating that it 'intrudes his freedom' or whatever...
Now.... the same thing again. There will always be stupid people I guess, especially in the US.
I bet you have a hard time, living in a world where seatbelts, airbags, abs etc are all compulsory in mass produced cars.

Lets see what I'm going to do tomorrow.....
Maybe hit 175mph on the autobahn 31 again, just because I can and you'll never experience that....
Then again, if you have the ability to do that, you'd know that its not thàt special, and that it certainly won't really help you to get there faster.
But I'm sure that when one thinks that the ability to drive faster than 112mph on public roads is connected with jets breaking the sound barrier or launching things into space, you're far far from the level of understanding this.

Perhaps you could explain to me (I’m just a dumb yankee hick, after all) why valuing freedom and autonomy as intrinsically good, and resisting efforts to take it away, is “stupid” or “spineless.” Statists always ignore or dismiss the value of freedom and focus exclusively on safety or whatever promised benefits new laws, regulations, and limits will purportedly bring. They also often ignore the unintended consequences of their regulations, which are often many. Western countries have enjoyed freedom for so long that they now take it for granted and will trade it away for almost any promise of increased safety. It’s a shame, because our freedom is slipping away.

Let’s be realistic: Volvo doesn’t give two shits about your safety. They care about selling cars and limiting their own liability. That’s what this is about. And through regulatory capture, this kind of idea could easily become law. No thank you.

And I’ve driven the Autobahn plenty of times in my M3. It sounds like you take that for granted too. I wouldn’t trade it away for some trifling bullshit, but I suspect you would. Be careful what you wish for.

[overlook637]

Originally Posted by SteveinArizona

I have never driven quite that fast and don't expect to. But I would be concerned about what could happen on a 75 mph road when passing if someone coming in the other direction suddenly appeared and the only safe way out was to floor the accelerator and my last memory before the end was that the car suddenly stopped accelerating.

The pedal to the left is designated as brakes. If your in doubt about safety when passing then apply the brakes and return to a safe lane in a safe controlled manner.

What 2 lane road is 75mph?

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by CigarPundit

Perhaps you could explain to me (I’m just a dumb yankee hick, after all) why valuing freedom and autonomy as intrinsically good, and resisting efforts to take it away, is “stupid” or “spineless.”

I think I was the one called spineless in this topic

There is no situation thinkable in the matter of this speed limited volvo that you could use without severely breaking the law.
I mean your ABS or airbags or seatbelts... All compulsory.
I don't hear you about that. Yet they limit your valued freedom and valued autonomy.
Why is that?

And a system that wouldnt allow a car to start if a drunk driver would crawl behind the wheel, I'm ALL for that!
Drinking and driving is a no-go as far as I'm concerned (And if they can extend that to other drugs... excellent).
The fact that you read time and time again that some dumb drunken f#ck hit a family crossing the street on a zebra crossing killing them makes me sick every time I read about that.

What do you think about speed limits in general? Would you rather live in a world without them? Sure that would give you so much more freedom and autonomy.
But.......do you have kids?
I wouldn't mind a system in my car (or other peoples cars) that would limit the ability to excessive speeding, certainly in high risk areas.
TBH the maximum speed on highways/autobahns is for me personal the least of the priorities. I'd rather see a geofenced limiter mandatory on cars entering for example school areas, or strict residential areas where kids play around and dogs around etc. Those areas are of far higher risks imho.
And I'd rather see Volvo concentrating on this, but I suspect thats not yet technologically feasable.
I mean I dont have kids, but if I look at how fast some people drive in my street (not a cul de sac but similar, just homes).... I still wouldnt want to see the kids of my neighbours get hit and die by someone with a morning temper late for work....

Perhaps my empathy level is stronger than the average american one.
I'm at least not afraid of a discussion around such systems. I wouldn't want a system that exactly limits your speed to the speed limit at any place all the time (as I think that would also 'dumb down' driving skills), but a system that takes excessive things away, especially in high risk areas with mainly vulnerable road users (pedestrains, especially kids) or drunk driving, I'm all for that.
This is also partly because I think that by far not everyone is fit to drive. Sometimes it seems that passing your driving license is a 'right' (and then I live in a country where passing for your license takes far more training and has a higher age restriction), but I totally don't feel that way.
I think the average driver isnt occupied with driving at all. Far to undisciplined, and far to distracted. Lacking responsibility yet allowed to drive.
So I also hope that 100% autonomous driving becomes a possibility as fast as possible as I think that people who'd rather play with their phones behind the wheel will certainly go for that. (taking away another of my annoyances).

But not even wanting to start or participate in a discussion on these topics will certainly not help make things safer imho.
At one point the discussion about seatbelts, airbags and whatnot also had to be started. And also turned out to be a good thing imho.