[GoingTooFast]

The new 1204 kg Clio RS just proves that replacing the 2.0-liter engine with 203 hp by the new 1.6-liter direct injection turbo engine delivering 200 hp and 240 Nm of torque allows the Clio to reach 230 km/h max. speed and 0-100 km/h in 6.7 seconds using a double clutch 6-speed gearbox with launch control function.

In the Toyobaru case, this would mean almost 1 second faster from 0 to 100 km/h, just the kind of performance improvement that I've been defending for the Toyobaru, the one that wouldn't compromise its superb handling characteristics.

[GoingTooFast]

Bye-bye Miata on looks alone...

[GoingTooFast]

[Red Bread]

Meh, does nothing for me. I would be shocked if the ND isn't much better looking, plus it won't be saddled with silly rear seats.

[GoingTooFast]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Meh, does nothing for me.

I'm now pretty much convinced that you are not in the market for a new car let alone the best driver's car you can buy. You just like to talk about cars and that's ok... so no car will do anything for you except the X1 in your sig that you say you bought to your wife.

Who would like to show his wife's car instead of his own while he goes to great lengths talking about the best driver's cars the money can buy?!

I'm sorry... keep going on talking.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by GoingTooFast

I'm sorry... keep going on talking.

How's your GT86 working out?

It's a forum, if we were actually buying cars, we'd probably be out driving them, not in here talking about them.

We're in a BMW forum too, so I list the current BMW in the household, I've sold mine and haven't replaced it. I'm in no rush, I have a short commute and a beater, a bicycle and public transit. I want a good, fun car, not just the first thing to be available.

The BRZ STI would likely cause me to actually buy something, the 4C with all three pedals too. I haven't driven a new Boxster, but a used Boxster Spyder is nearly a perfect fit for my "needs". I've owned Miatas before, I love them, but unless they really get the FD right, I'd probably not go back. If it's just a warmed over NC, there's no chance.

I have narrowed things down though, I know I want something sub 3k pounds, I don't really want to throw more than $50k at it and it would be nice if it held it's value reasonably well.

I still think that convertible GT86 is less than becoming. I'm not a fan of four seat convertibles, they nearly always look odd. They would have been better off just cutting out the fake rear seats. Modern, high bustled cars just look odd as convertibles, this, like the Nissan 370Z, looks forced.

[GoingTooFast]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

How's your GT86 working out?

Not great... I haven't managed to sell my 1M yet, so meanwhile when I'm not talking about cars and I'm driving the 1M I'm actually trying to improve my driving skills... but you know what, I have long ago realized that I need a better driver's tool to be able to enhance my skills.

You see, my passion is not brands or even cars, they are just a tool... my passion is driving. And, in the case you haven't noticed that's the reason why I'm such a BIG fan of drivers like Advevo or Kamui Kobayashi.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy your arguments.

[Red Bread]

What was my argument? That four seat convertibles are ugly? That's more of an opinion, but you're welcome to prove me wrong. The Toyobaru works great as a coupe, I'm not sold on it as a convertible.

[Crimson92]

Gt86 vert isn't terrible looking, wouldn't buy one but not a bad looker.

[GoingTooFast]

A car is just a tool... but, like every other tool, it can be perfected in order to enhance your driving experience... Toyota and Subaru could do to the Toyobaru what Renault did to the Clio, like I've been defending:

For Renault Sport , the new Renault*Clio RS is a major event. The manufacturer decided to completely change the approach of the car with this new generation replacing the 2.0-liter aspirated engine by a 1.6-liter Turbo engine:

All-new direct injection 1.6-litre turbo petrol engine, pushes out 200hp @ 6,000rpm
25Nm more torque than predecessor, and plenty of it mid-range. 240Nm from 1,750 to 5,500rpm

Quicker from 0-62mph – now 6.7 seconds

Tips scales at 1,204kg – 36 kilos lighter than previous Clio Renaultsport 200

Lower running costs with fuel economy and emissions slashed by almost a quarter. Former up 10.3 mpg to 44.8 mpg (combined) and latter slashed to 144g/km (down 46g/km).

[GoingTooFast]

N/A BRZ with very minor mods:

• Tein Super Racing Coilovers
• Rays 57Xtreme 18×9.5 Wheels
• Yokohama AD08 255/35 Tires
• EVS Tuning 70mm front pipe and cat back
• Voltex Type 1S wing
• Recaro SPG seats
• Cusco Rear Camber Arms
• Project Mu Club Racer brake pads and 355 Fluid.

[GoingTooFast]

Carbon fiber in the 4c:

[GoingTooFast]

Beautiful, beautiful little thing... and only 895 kg :







Press release

[GoingTooFast]

This has to be the most beautiful car in production today :

[BMW269]

0-100 km/ in 4.5 sec and top speed of 258 km/h.

[GoingTooFast]

Originally Posted by Levi

0-100 km/ in 4.5 sec and top speed of 258 km/h.

Yes, but the price for the exclusive 'Launch Edition' is 60.000€. Let's see what the base price will be... Also, albeit the dry weight is ONLY 895 kg it will rise to ~1000 kg with driver and all fluids in...

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

What was my argument? That four seat convertibles are ugly? That's more of an opinion, but you're welcome to prove me wrong. The Toyobaru works great as a coupe, I'm not sold on it as a convertible.

+1 Not sold on the vert at all either.

Originally Posted by GoingTooFast

This has to be the most beautiful car in production today :

I would not say that. But it is nice to look at.

[GoingTooFast]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

I would not say that. But it is nice to look at.

Do care to point out another car presently in production which is better looking than this:

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by GoingTooFast

Do care to point out another car presently in production which is better looking than this:

Of course styling is very subjective. But for me nothing touches an Aston.

4C is nice, but those headlights are aweful.

[gtabfknkdnme]

that Alfa looks like a Lotus rip off

[GoingTooFast]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Of course styling is very subjective. But for me nothing touches an Aston.

Funny you have mentioned the Aston... which I think is aesthetically much more closely related to the Toyobaru:

[GoingTooFast]

Originally Posted by gtabfknkdnme

that Alfa looks like a Lotus rip off

Yeah sure...