[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

The same hardware that showed misaligned body panels on their tour cars? I love Vettes, but super car this is not. It's still a mass produced Chevy, not an actual exotic.

Well thank god those are tour cars.

And i still think it's a supercar and more will agree with me than not.

So i guess again we have to agree to disagree.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Maybe because Tadge told us the price would be in line with previous b=gen base v Z price increases & they lied & got greedy?!

Pretty sure tadge said this when? Back in 2021?

Lots has changed since then.

If it wasn't for inflation, i believe this car would've cost 92-95k. But definitely under 100k as i said it early in this thread.

106k is about right with inflation, demand, broader audience interest etc.

Not greedy. Smart. You either want the car or not. 10k more than what people expect isn't going to end the world. It's a supercar. 106k for a supercar is a steal.

[mikado463]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Pretty sure tadge said this when? Back in 2021?

Lots has changed since then.

If it wasn't for inflation, i believe this car would've cost 92-95k. But definitely under 100k as i said it early in this thread.

106k is about right with inflation, demand, broader audience interest etc.

Not greedy. Smart. You either want the car or not. 10k more than what people expect isn't going to end the world. It's a supercar. 106k for a supercar is a steal.

Agreed, I just think Donatello can't come 'to grips' with Chevy / Corvette competing with cars costing 2 to 3 times it's price.

[Quadruple VANOS]

I'd think the Z06's existence should make obtaining a Stingray allocation a bit easier. I'd definitely consider using one as a daily driver if they'd put active cruise control (or Super Cruise) in it. Maybe whenever they refresh 'em?

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Pretty sure tadge said this when? Back in 2021?

Lots has changed since then.

If it wasn't for inflation, i believe this car would've cost 92-95k. But definitely under 100k as i said it early in this thread.

106k is about right with inflation, demand, broader audience interest etc.

Not greedy. Smart. You either want the car or not. 10k more than what people expect isn't going to end the world. It's a supercar. 106k for a supercar is a steal.

A lie is a lie regardless. You are glossing over the point. It's not s super car

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by mikado463

Agreed, I just think Donatello can't come 'to grips' with Chevy / Corvette competing with cars costing 2 to 3 times it's price.

LMAO! I've owned a few Vettes. The Vette has had performance numbers better than some cars that cost a lot more for a long time. Now the Z actually costs what some of these exotics can be had for. No longer a "bargain". No longer America's affordable sports car.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Well thank god those are tour cars.

And i still think it's a supercar and more will agree with me than not.

So i guess again we have to agree to disagree.

Super car performance? Maybe. It is still a mass produced Chevy.Not even close to being on the level of a real super car overall.

Production base C8s have also had bad panel fitment issues.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

A lie is a lie regardless. You are glossing over the point. It's not s super car

Again, everything so far about the car labels it as a supercar besides the price. We can agree to disagree but I bet more people would say it is than those that say no. Hell there’s some dudes on the corvette forum with actual exotics saying it is.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Super car performance? Maybe. It is still a mass produced Chevy.Not even close to being on the level of a real super car overall.

Production base C8s have also had bad panel fitment issues.

A stingray isn’t a supercar.

The z06 is. We’re never going to agree so if you think it isn’t then it isn’t to you.

People are buying this because it’s gm’s first supercar.

Never was there this much interest and craze over one car before. Not even with the one year only model c7zr came out.

This is in a different league. A supercar league.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

I'd think the Z06's existence should make obtaining a Stingray allocation a bit easier. I'd definitely consider using one as a daily driver if they'd put active cruise control (or Super Cruise) in it. Maybe whenever they refresh 'em?

Nah, might even be worse for stingrays.

The z06 is basically “sold out” for at least 3 years min. Combine that with the price people who originally through would be 89k or so will now either wait for an eray, which we don’t know pricing or any real info. Or they can get a stingray.

The demand will drive costs up, used market at least. New allocations will be harder for those who can wait, and get one at msrp.

Which is what I’m doing. My build is 80k. The same spec and build of a used stingray is still 95-105. For a used one.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Nah, might even be worse for stingrays.

The z06 is basically "sold out" for at least 3 years min. Combine that with the price people who originally through would be 89k or so will now either wait for an eray, which we don't know pricing or any real info. Or they can get a stingray.

The demand will drive costs up, used market at least. New allocations will be harder for those who can wait, and get one at msrp.

Im thinking the economy tanking; combined with much higher finance rates will soften demand across the board. We can also add the fact that the supply chain should strengthen later in 2023… and the e-ray will further absorb demand. Im thinking that by 2024 we'll be able to get a Stingray allocation pretty easily. We'll have to see!

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Nah, might even be worse for stingrays.

The z06 is basically “sold out” for at least 3 years min. Combine that with the price people who originally through would be 89k or so will now either wait for an eray, which we don’t know pricing or any real info. Or they can get a stingray.

The demand will drive costs up, used market at least. New allocations will be harder for those who can wait, and get one at msrp.

Which is what I’m doing. My build is 80k. The same spec and build of a used stingray is still 95-105. For a used one.

Anyone paying over a 100 k for a non Z is a fucking moron. Lol. my god there are some dumb ass peeps with money running around. 🤪

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

I'd think the Z06's existence should make obtaining a Stingray allocation a bit easier. I'd definitely consider using one as a daily driver if they'd put active cruise control (or Super Cruise) in it. Maybe whenever they refresh 'em?

a stingray below msrp probably won't happen for a bit. eventually it will happen though. i just saw the production numbers and its already past 70,000. they made half as many f80 m3s for the world.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Anyone paying over a 100 k for a non Z is a fucking moron. Lol. my god there are some dumb ass peeps with money running around. 🤪

The fact that people are paying $230k for a Hummer EV or $150k for a Rivian truck just completely blows my mind. Those things are going to be worth like 70% of their MSRP in 2-3 years. The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Im thinking the economy tanking; combined with much higher finance rates will soften demand across the board. We can also add the fact that the supply chain should strengthen later in 2023… and the e-ray will further absorb demand. Im thinking that by 2024 we'll be able to get a Stingray allocation pretty easily. We'll have to see!

People thought it'd get better this year, in 2022. It hasn't.

Because the corvette is supposed to be "high volume", even a week shutdown at the plant can set things back dramatically.

I do believe the ERAY will absorb some demand but don't forget, a lot of people have NO desire for a hybrid corvette. They might not agree to the price (for all we know it'll be 92k etc), and the ERAY could very well be as tough to get as a z06.

I said it before that the stingray craze is far from over. I suspect towards the end of calendar year 2024 or even sometime in 2025 is when we might see some normalization with stingrays.

But i doubt it. This has been special to witness when they debuted the stingray back in summer 2019. 3 years later and it's still as crazy.

I know not everyone cares about corvettes but man it's cool to be a part of this lol. We welcome any new corvette fans.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Im thinking the economy tanking; combined with much higher finance rates will soften demand across the board. We can also add the fact that the supply chain should strengthen later in 2023… and the e-ray will further absorb demand. Im thinking that by 2024 we'll be able to get a Stingray allocation pretty easily. We'll have to see!

I don't think the economy is going to "tank." Are we going to see a recession, yeah I think so.

Is it going to be 2008 all over again or worse? Don't think so.

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

The fact that people are paying $230k for a Hummer EV or $150k for a Rivian truck just completely blows my mind. Those things are going to be worth like 70% of their MSRP in 2-3 years. The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.

70%? Try 50%. The rate of EV tech development is going to make the hummer seem like even more of a joke than it is in that time frame.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by Cos270

70%? Try 50%. The rate of EV tech development is going to make the hummer seem like even more of a joke than it is in that time frame.

It might take a bit longer with the Hummer EV, but I agree with the premise. People are nuts buying BEVs now; especially hyper-expensive EVs.

[Red Bread]

Buying any EV is silly. Leasing is the only way I'd get in something electric.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by Cos270

70%? Try 50%. The rate of EV tech development is going to make the hummer seem like even more of a joke than it is in that time frame.

Certainly possible and normally I'd say less than 50% but they're so far over MSRP right now that it would take a giant market swing to drop quite that far. Either way, it's hilariously stupid.

[aj_g80]

the Z06 isn't a supercar. Never will be. Never was. C6ZR1/C7Z06/C7ZR1 was GM's first step into supercar performance, sure.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Buying any EV is silly. Leasing is the only way I'd get in something electric.

I agree. I leased my model 3.

And I’m already planning on the plaid next so we’ll see how those lease numbers look.

But for a toy, definitely the c8z as your affordable supercar.