[RedScytheM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

"Systemic racism" is the lie black people are sold, and as a culture we digest it and regurgitate it.......so much, in fact, that we start believing that nonsense.

I'm not denying racism exists, but racism is NOT what's holding blacks back in this country. Prevailing attitudes, laziness, propensity for violence (...against our own and others), dependence and the disintegrated family unit are the issues that plague the community.

You cannot simultaneously call systemic racism a lie and acknowledge the existence of racism.

You know who you remind me of? Supreme Justice Clarence Thomas. He's made a big thing of himself in life. But when you read his opinions on Supreme Court cases involving race, he goes so hard at people of color. He seems to have a chip on his shoulder. He doesn't want to be treated differently because he's black and he doesn't want his colleagues to think less of him. He doesn't want them believing he got where is simply because he's black. Hence the chip. Don't be Clarence Thomas. You're in a position of privilege and power.

[RedScytheM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

**completely ignores my outlier comment**


....and then presents an outlier example.

You better believe I was going to ignore that nonsense

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by RedScytheM3

You do know it's well established that there are several genes linked to obesity? The act of 'stuffing' themselves is a symptom of a dysregulated metabolism. And no this is not comparable in the least bit. Someone with chronic obesity has options, we don't get to change the color of our skin or how people see it

**completely ignores my outlier comment**


....and then presents an outlier example.[/QUOTE]
You better believe I was going to ignore that nonsense[/QUOTE]
We shall agree to disagree and move on.

[RedScytheM3]

Anyways, you and you're opinion on black culture are outliers. The majority of black folks, especially the younger ones will never see eye to eye with what you think. Never mind your perspective is heavily tainted with LEO rhetoric. AND never mind you said systemic racism is a lie. I have nothing further for you. Have your disgusting thread back. Hopefully, from this point on you'll get some real questions in it and not from everyone driving around with thin blue lines on their rear windows.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by RedScytheM3

Anyways, you and you're opinion on black culture are outliers. The majority of black folks, especially the younger ones will never see eye to eye with what you think. Never mind your perspective is heavily tainted with LEO rhetoric. AND never mind you said systemic racism is a lie. I have nothing further for you. Have your disgusting thread back. Hopefully, from this point on you'll get some real questions in it and not from everyone driving around with thin blue lines on their rear windows.

Thanks for your contribution.

[RedScytheM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Thanks for your contribution.

Thank you! I've always wanted to have this type of debate with a black LEO (from a safe distance). Fascinating!

[RedScytheM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

**completely ignores my outlier comment**


....and then presents an outlier example.


Here's the bottom line:

Blacks that apply themselves generally do well in life. They become scientists, cops, business owners or engage in some other profession of choice and provide something useful to society. Blacks that don't apply themselves blame race, white people, etc. for their issues (...all while doing drugs, committing crimes, etc.).

People that eat balanced meals and workout regularly generally don't deal with obesity. People that eat unhealthy, live sedentary lifestyles, etc. end up blaming genetics, slow metabolism, etc. for their overweight physical state all while doing nothing to improve their circumstances.

Alright, if you want me gone editing your post ain't gonna do it!
I'm in an editing mood since I'm writing some papers anyway so let's play.

How about we try this out:

"Here's the bottom line:

Human beings that apply themselves generally do well in life. They become scientists, cops, business owners or engage in some other profession of choice and provide something useful to society. Human beings that don't apply themselves typically achieve relatively less in life and make various excuses for their issues (...all while doing drugs, committing crimes, etc.). Perhaps I should ask myself why certain human beings in the US fall into a certain category, if as I say, we generally do well in life if we try. Is it possible some other external factors are at play? Before I make quick jumps to judgement, I should ponder this further.

People that eat balanced meals and workout regularly generally don't deal with obesity. People that eat unhealthily, live sedentary lifestyles, etc.tend to experience problems with weight and that's all I'll say on that because i) I'm an LEO, not a doctor and ii) anything additional is speculative."

I made the edits blue for you, because police, right!?

[bayarea328xit]

Originally Posted by RedScytheM3

You cannot simultaneously call systemic racism a lie and acknowledge the existence of racism.

First, to you and Sedan_Clan, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue. It is valuable to get as many different perspectives on the issue as possible so that we don't get boxed into thinking about the ideas from a given perspective.

1. Is there any reason to distinguish between systemic racism and racism?

2. If yes, then how do we define each to highlight the distinction?

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

People need to get the fuck up off of their couches and go experience bad people doing bad things on seriously mind influencing drugs and gain some perspective outside of their bubbles.

I recognize how dangerous it is dealing with people on drugs from past experience. No I was never in law enforcement just a few social interactions. And I was VERY happy in both cases when law enforcement showed up. I was young, big, and versed in several martial arts and I was scared.

Thanks to LEOs everywhere for dealing with this shit every day.

[RedScytheM3]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

First, to you and Sedan_Clan, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue. It is valuable to get as many different perspectives on the issue as possible so that we don't get boxed into thinking about the ideas from a given perspective.

1. Is there any reason to distinguish between systemic racism and racism?

2. If yes, then how do we define each to highlight the distinction?

My point to sedan is there is no distinction. You can't have one without the other. You can't have a sweet cake without any sugar. You can't have systemic racism with out racism.

There is systemic/institutional racism such as:
-Redlining
-Racial discrimination in the USDA (see Pigford v. Glickman for discrimination against ack farmers)
Just to name a couple.

And this is caused by the practices of individual racism within institutions. Then there's overt individual racism that's expressed person to person. Systemic racism is more insidious, harder to prove, and is easily accomplished with deniability.

If you are genuinely asking question #2 out of curiosity, I recommend simply looking it up.

[bayarea328xit]

Originally Posted by RedScytheM3

... And [institutional racism] is caused by the practices of individual racism within institutions. …

I like your description, above.

The criminal justice system is typically cited as an example (e.g., with individual racism manifested in juries, judges, parole boards, etc.). If we consider juries (agreeing that there are racist jurors), what is the solution? Should we have more judges overturn jury decisions? Should we have more trials decided by a judge (instead of a jury)? Should we increase the number of jurors in the jury (i.e., making it harder to get a unanimous guilty verdict)? What are other solutions? Our task is to mitigate the effects of individual racism with institutional changes. How long will it take for us to get a signal of improvement if we implement such changes? How will we know that we’ve made things better and not worse?

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

I like your description, above.

The criminal justice system is typically cited as an example (e.g., with individual racism manifested in juries, judges, parole boards, etc.). If we consider juries (agreeing that there are racist jurors), what is the solution? Should we have more judges overturn jury decisions? Should we have more trials decided by a judge (instead of a jury)? Should we increase the number of jurors in the jury (i.e., making it harder to get a unanimous guilty verdict)? What are other solutions? Our task is to mitigate the effects of individual racism with institutional changes. How long will it take for us to get a signal of improvement if we implement such changes? How will we know that we’ve made things better and not worse?

One question is - do these riots stoke the racist feelings of many who normally have no serious racist tendencies? Does seeing violence propagated in the name of fighting racism further the cause of uniting people?

I think tonight is going to be a pivotal moment in the history of race relations in the USA. If a large number of people of color riot and destroy the white house racism will get a shot in the arm that will last for years. If the protestors do NOT loot, riot or commit acts of violence then perhaps progress will be made. I hope the people controlling and organizing this event understand the significance of what they do in DC and how Americans everywhere feel about it.

[PYE46M3]

Don't mean to interrupt the previous topic but since this is "ask a cop anything".....


The other day I turn into the main street and get behind this dump truck for asphlat that was either going to or coming from a job site. I am about 1 school bus lenght behind him and driving 40 mph when I begin to notice big pieces of asphalt flying out of his bed... one hits my windshield and luckiy nothing happens... a few land on parked cars on the side of the street.... my daily is a old nissan so I wasn't overly pissed but still immediately pull to the left lane and begin to pass him... as I do that, I also noticed that all of his tires are kicking up a bunch of asphalt that are stuck to the threads....I watch him in my rear view literally littering the road giving zero fucks just to make a buck.... I think about the owner of all those poor parked cars and the mess of a road he is leaving behind.... after 2-3 minutes, I couldnt take it anymore...I pull in front of him and bring him to a stop and get out of the car to ask him if he has any clue wtf he is doing... he tells me "its my tires, nothing I can do ! call the office to complain".... then I tell him he needs to wait because I am going to call the police on him.... he gives me the middle finger and takes off

here are some pictures I took while he was parked behind my car after i pulled him over, and after he left. keep in mind tons of big pieces of asphalt were flying out of his bed too. your thoughts about this situation?? is this acceptable for this guy to leave a job site like this and destroy public roads? what would you have done if you ran into this guy !

I have all his info and wanted to go to the PD after

[BimmerDimmer6]

Originally Posted by PYE46M3

Don't mean to interrupt the previous topic but since this is "ask a cop anything".....


The other day I turn into the main street and get behind this dump truck for asphlat that was either going to or coming from a job site. I am about 1 school bus lenght behind him and driving 40 mph when I begin to notice big pieces of asphalt flying out of his bed... one hits my windshield and luckiy nothing happens... a few land on parked cars on the side of the street.... my daily is a old nissan so I wasn't overly pissed but still immediately pull to the left lane and begin to pass him... as I do that, I also noticed that all of his tires are kicking up a bunch of asphalt that are stuck to the threads....I watch him in my rear view literally littering the road giving zero fucks just to make a buck.... I think about the owner of all those poor parked cars and the mess of a road he is leaving behind.... after 2-3 minutes, I couldnt take it anymore...I pull in front of him and bring him to a stop and get out of the car to ask him if he has any clue wtf he is doing... he tells me "its my tires, nothing I can do ! call the office to complain".... then I tell him he needs to wait because I am going to call the police on him.... he gives me the middle finger and takes off

here are some pictures I took while he was parked behind my car after i pulled him over, and after he left. keep in mind tons of big pieces of asphalt were flying out of his bed too. your thoughts about this situation?? is this acceptable for this guy to leave a job site like this and destroy public roads? what would you have done if you ran into this guy !

I have all his info and wanted to go to the PD after


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You fucking pulled him over?? God I wish I had the balls.

Also don't bother PD there is enough shit going on right now. Plus, what do you want them to do? Arrest him?

I hate dump truck as much as the next guy, but buddy is just doing his job.

[TrevorM3]

redscythem3 is probably one of those dudes who thinks looting is OK right now. lol

[PYE46M3]

Originally Posted by BimmerDimmer6

You fucking pulled him over?? God I wish I had the balls.

Also don't bother PD there is enough shit going on right now. Plus, what do you want them to do? Arrest him?

I hate dump truck as much as the next guy, but buddy is just doing his job.

Yes I did because he pissed me off. He tried to change lanes and run but i waved at him so he gets the point. It was clearly not his first or second time going through this..

I didn't bother the PD for those reasons and also because I dont care too much about my daily driver... but you can't tell me if you were behind this guy and he cracked your windshield and put a dent on your hood, you'd brush it off.

I wanted cops to give him a ticket or something. someone else may want to get a police report and file a claim with insurance if their car is damaged pretty bad

[BimmerDimmer6]

Originally Posted by PYE46M3

Yes I did because he pissed me off. He tried to change lanes and run but i waved at him so he gets the point. It was clearly not his first or second time going through this..

I didn't bother the PD for those reasons and also because I dont care too much about my daily driver... but you can't tell me if you were behind this guy and he cracked your windshield and put a dent on your hood, you'd brush it off.

I wanted cops to give him a ticket or something. someone else may want to get a police report and file a claim with insurance if their car is damaged pretty bad

Yes, if he caused damage I'd report him and file a claim, but it sounds like he's just making a mess after pulling off a site nearby? I can't tell you how many times I've had shit hit my car, like little rocks, or mud/dirt from dump trucks. They will just say it says "stay 100ft back" or whatever they put on the tailgate. Its pretty common in my area.

[upstatedoc]

@Sedan_Clan Keep doing what you're doing. I know you are doing it right

[WhiskyPat12]

Sorry if the cops here have weighed in on this specifically already...

What is the general reaction of you and your fellow cops to the calls of "defund/disband the police?"

I heard some officers, in Minneapolis where these calls appear loudest, resigned already.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by WhiskyPat12

Sorry if the cops here have weighed in on this specifically already...

What is the general reaction of you and your fellow cops to the calls of "defund/disband the police?"

I heard some officers, in Minneapolis where these calls appear loudest, resigned already.

Disbanding or defunding the police isn't going to fix any of the issues BLM or any other social justice organization thinks it will. Statistically crime goes up with less of a law enforcement presence. It's just a popular talking point that tickles the emotions of anarchists and people who don't like being held accountable.

[WhiskyPat12]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Disbanding or defunding the police isn't going to fix any of the issues BLM or any other social justice organization thinks it will. Statistically crime goes up with less of a law enforcement presence. It's just a popular talking point that tickles the emotions of anarchists and people who don't like being held accountable.

I've recently seen some right leaning people saying an option to explore instead of disband/defund police would be to dissolved police unions. The thinking is that police unions protect bad cops the same way teachers unions protect bad teachers.

We shouldn't bargain with a mob anyway but I'm curious if this is a proposal worth considering.

Thanks for responding and stay safe!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by WhiskyPat12

I've recently seen some right leaning people saying an option to explore instead of disband/defund police would be to dissolved police unions. The thinking is that police unions protect bad cops the same way teachers unions protect bad teachers.

We shouldn't bargain with a mob anyway but I'm curious if this is a proposal worth considering.

Thanks for responding and stay safe!

Unions are not inherently bad. Unions are appropriate when you have a large number of employees (...e.g. we have over 22,000 in the sheriff's department alone; 11,000+ are sworn). Unions are also there to help employees fight against their employer for violating certain labor laws, unfair practices, retaliation, whistleblower protections, etc.