[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Honda doesn't develop their engines anymore, redbull just pays them to maintain and build new ones, so I'm not sure how the new relationship will be. Also if it's a deep seated issue they might have to apply to the FIA for a part upgrade so that might or might not be problematic.

HONDA is still the second fastest PU behind the Ferrari (SuperFast) PU ..
Mercedes is slower than Ferrari and Red Bull , HAM got there a gap of 50 + sec. before the SC car was pulled out !

Checo overtook HAM like he was standing still ...
Did you even watched the whole race ?

Currently no one can touch the Ferrari PU ! NO WAY !!!

Next weekend It's for sure , just the same situation !
Probably Sainz will run with Charlie's race mappings as well ..
I see Sainz win next weekend ! In normal (equal) circumstances Sainz is faster than Charlie ..
That's what we witnessed in 2021 !

HONDA must wake up...And Mercedes even more !

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by F87source

Honda doesn't develop their engines anymore, redbull just pays them to maintain and build new ones, so I'm not sure how the new relationship will be. Also if it's a deep seated issue they might have to apply to the FIA for a part upgrade so that might or might not be problematic.

I think Honda is still involved this year before removing themselves completely in 2023. The current engine will still come from Sakura and I think support will still be there, even if at limited capacity.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Handling issues too ! HAM ran on ice today !

And the Russell boy was nowhere during the race ..

Watching the race now.

[e90335e36m3]

If our friend MKSixer was here, he'd attribute Ferrari's incredible outcome to suddenly evolving driver talent, nothing to do with the car. Imagine though, both drivers got that good at the same time! Hamilton he'd say turned it up to 8, just didn't want to turn it up to 10 quite yet, hence P3.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yes. So it was ..

Oh no! They are so slow. The heaviness and new configuration makes them all look clumsy.

[e90335e36m3]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

HONDA is still the second fastest PU behind the Ferrari (SuperFast) PU ..
Mercedes is slower than Ferrari and Red Bull , HAM got there a gap of 50 + sec. before the SC car was pulled out !

Checo overtook HAM like he was standing still ...
Did you even watched the whole race ?

Currently no one can touch the Ferrari PU ! NO WAY !!!

Next weekend It's for sure , just the same situation !
Probably Sainz will run with Charlie's race mappings as well ..
I see Sainz win next weekend ! In normal (equal) circumstances Sainz is faster than Charlie ..
That's what we witnessed in 2021 !

HONDA must wake up...And Mercedes even more !

Nonsense. It has nothing to do with the PU. Once Ham decides he wants it P1 in every race.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

If our friend MKSixer was here, he'd attribute Ferrari's incredible outcome to suddenly evolving driver talent, nothing to do with the car. Imagine though, both drivers got that good at the same time! Hamilton he'd say turned it up to 8, just didn't want to turn it up to 10 quite yet, hence P3.

Indeed, it's not the car, it's always the driver....

[F87source]

Interesting scarbs says that the reason for Max's steering issue was due to a bent steering track rod, there are images of it as well. If this is the case redbull's radical suspension setup might be putting alot of stress on these components. I'm not sure if these bits are homologated and if changes can be made.

[M5Rick]

No,sorry but it's wrong. The jump from 13 to 18 wheels is too big a gap, they handle like flat roller skates. 16'' wheels should have been the maximum.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

Nonsense. It has nothing to do with the PU. Once Ham decides he wants it P1 in every race.

#MKsixer

Would love too see him back now ..
But last year as well !

[E92inNC]

A few questions if anyone has answers-

Are starting tire rules part of the new regs? I woke up just in time for Q3 yesterday so I don’t know what tires everyone was using in Q2 but I noticed some were using brand new softs to start the race and some on used softs? I expected the top runners to be on mediums from Q2.

To what degree will a driver get points on their license? Does it have to be a big crash or does Ocon’s tap causing Mick to spin on the opening lap get him a point?

On the SC restart why didn’t they go an extra lap in order for the bottom 6 unlapping themselves to fully catch up to the front 13?

Anyone know what happen to Bottas on lap 1? He dropped 8 places but I don’t think there was any contact. I kept waiting for them to show a replay of how he lost so many places but it never came.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

No,sorry but it's wrong. The jump from 13 to 18 wheels is too big a gap, they handle like flat roller skates. 16'' wheels should have been the maximum.

McLaren struggled a lot with '18 wheels today ...
There was a close-up view from that , IMHO .These wheels look huge !

Too bad that McLaren was nowhere ...

Kmag was the man of the race !!!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

McLaren struggled a lot with '18 wheels today ...
There was a close-up view from that , IMHO .These wheels look huge !

Too bad that McLaren was nowhere ...

Kmag was the man of the race !!!

I am agreeing now that Mags should take the second RB seat and he quite rightly got the Driver of the Day.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Interesting scarbs says that the reason for Max's steering issue was due to a bent steering track rod, there are images of it as well. If this is the case redbull's radical suspension setup might be putting alot of stress on these components. I'm not sure if these bits are homologated and if changes can be made.

All I know is that Red Bull got last Friday a suspension upgrade .
Don't think that has something to do with MAX's steering wheel issue ...

But yeah ...MAX got 2 'BIG issues today with his steering wheel and with a fuel pump failure .
MAX's DNF was the sign... When Sainz noticed the blinking lights behind the number 1 car !

Sainz said : When I saw that , I thought too bad for MAX while he was losing a lot of speed and time !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I am agreeing now that Mags should take the second RB seat and he quite rightly got the Driver of the Day.

I always said that my friend . Kmag is the man for RB !!!

And for his pockets too !

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

And the Russell boy was nowhere during the race ..

Russ had good first few laps, moving up 3 spots. After he settled in his gap to Lewis remained same after getting by Kmag. Russ speed compared to Lewis after first pitstop was equal or slightly better. He was closing the gap ever so slightly on those hard tires.

After that they put Russ on a different strat and he was losing 3sec/lap on used hard tires while Lewis was on fresh Mediums.

[M3WC]

Mick threw away good points for Haas. Starting 10th on the restart, all he had to do was essentially maintain 12th to get in the points. Because the two RB's retired ahead of him. Unfortunate, he will mature as season goes on.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I am agreeing now that Mags should take the second RB seat and he quite rightly got the Driver of the Day.

Just in ...

HORNER : We already stripped our cars completely . Both of our cars ! Right Now ..

No Pain No Gain !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I always said that my friend . Kmag is the man for RB !!!

And for his pockets too !

Mags has something or a system that few others have and with that Ferrari PU no wonder he was quick.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

HONDA is still the second fastest PU behind the Ferrari (SuperFast) PU ..
Mercedes is slower than Ferrari and Red Bull , HAM got there a gap of 50 + sec. before the SC car was pulled out !

Checo overtook HAM like he was standing still ...
Did you even watched the whole race ?

Currently no one can touch the Ferrari PU ! NO WAY !!!

Next weekend It's for sure , just the same situation !
Probably Sainz will run with Charlie's race mappings as well ..
I see Sainz win next weekend ! In normal (equal) circumstances Sainz is faster than Charlie ..
That's what we witnessed in 2021 !

HONDA must wake up...And Mercedes even more !

Where are you even getting the data to support your claims? It seems like you are basing everything on sheer emotions, and trashing leclerc because of his incident with max. Literally everything from you seems to revolve around max.

1) You are incorrect, the redbull has the highest trap speeds essentially across the board, and by quite a fair margin. So it is the Honda PU that is ontop - no excuses can come from redbull based on engine power.




It is also reflected again when max pulls away from charles on the straights in this side by side video comparison:

So no excuses can be made whatsoever that ferrari has the faster car in the straights, if Max looses out it was not due to a lack of straight line speed.


2) F1 however, is not all about top speeds it is about cornering speeds, and the ferrari has the edge here and by what seems to be alot. You can see in the qualifying video he makes up massive amounts of time through the cornering areas. This is what constitutes a fast lap time, cornerning speeds are more important than straight line speeds, I have no idea why you keep emphasizing straight line speeds like it is the end all be all of what makes a car good. The w11 sacrificed straight line speeds for cornering speeds, and look how fast that thing was, it literally is the fastest f1 car in history - so the philosophy of cornerning speed > straight line speed holds. This is why f1 cars in the prior generation emphasized down force over drag, they did not care about the drag as long as they could get a good yield on down force, you can listen to scarbs talk about this as well.


3) How do you know Sainz wasn't running the same engine mapping as charles? There is no way ferrari would screw sainz over in such a tight battle in the front row, and there is no way sainz would let that happen. You are only saying that because you despise charles over some accident he had with max. This is literally your mentality, if you have any rivalry with max or did anything to challenge him in the past you instantly suck. IMO Charles is a much better driver than sainz, and charles is one of the very few drivers who won both GP3 and F2 back to back before joining F1, you can't question his talent.



4) There likely is no more power to come from Mercedes or Honda unless it is from the electrical side of things, as that is not homologated until sept 1. But they could always try to just push the engine harder and trade in reliability.


5) I don't think Mercedes's lack of speed is directly correlated with the engine, we can see Latifi putting in fairly fast trap speeds within 1-3 km/h of redbull. I think the issue with the mercedes itself is the porpoising, this causes it to have poor cornerning speeds meaning a lower speed coming into the straights.


6) I think Max made two huge mistakes today battling leclerc:

- the first was the major lock up trying to brake super late.
- the second was on the safety car restart, he got out smarted by leclerc big time. Max tried to pressure him by moving up along side him, but did so going into the final corner which was kind of a bad spot because he put his car in a really bad position in that corner and Leclerc got him and accelerated while max was literally mid corner and in a really bad position so that really caught him napping.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Russ had good first few laps, moving up 3 spots. After he settled in his gap to Lewis remained same after getting by Kmag. Russ speed compared to Lewis after first pitstop was equal or slightly better. He was closing the gap ever so slightly on those hard tires.

After that they put Russ on a different strat and he was losing 3sec/lap on used hard tires while Lewis was on fresh Mediums.

The Russell boy will remain HAM's lapdog for the rest of the season ..
Too bad ! Feel sorry for him ...

And finally he will look like this at Mercedes !
I'm so sorry George !!!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Just in ...

HORNER : We already stripped our cars completely . Both of our cars ! Right Now ..

No Pain No Gain !

Those fuel pumps need attention and the clicking wheel problem with whatever was causing battery charge flashing light problem.