[M Hybrid V8]

Originally Posted by BurtBMW

What a messy finish to what was a great season. What does everyone think should happen to Micheal Masi and the FIA after what happened at Abu Dhabi

Williams supporter so i'm just excited for next season and hopefully an improvement from Williams.

I think Michael Masi needs to be terminated effective immediately. Purposely overriding rules to give another team an advantage to win a championship cannot be tolerated in any sport. If ratings are what they're after, F1 might as well hire Michael Bay as their race director and let him script Hollywood-style races where the cars driven by Vin Diesel and The Rock go racing through cities with traffic and pedestrians while fleeing the police.

It's impossible for any team to know when a race director is going to break (aka override) the rulebook. Had the FIA's rulebook been followed, the race would've ended under a safety car, but Max wasn't catching Lewis before the safety car anyway. So Mercedes gets punished & disadvantaged for assuming the FIA would adhere to their own rules regarding the handling of safety cars?!

Masi = Terminated

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by StatenEye

You asked; how can I give an estimate.. I compared LH to someone else that drives the SAME car to show how wide of a gap there is - showing it's more the driver than car in Mercs case. Then Max to Perez to show how Perez out drove his teammate this weekend - proving the RB is even fast in the teams 2nd driver - showing the RB unit is top drawer. Perez was able to battle with Lewis much more effectively than Max.

Then you ask; do I think its a good comparison? Isn't that what F1 is? Redbull clearly had a competitive car, Perez showed that. Mercs PU is NOT the end all be all or else Bottas would have been at least... close? See how the comparisons make sense? It's quite simple really. Yes its clear. Red Bull's car was able to get pole no? So it was the faster car yet LH just kept lapping faster than Max on race day. Max was dusted. These crazies claim LH has a super PU lol, Max gets towed to pole and suddenly its ok... Come race day, Max gets trounced again and were back to the Merc car better argument lol. Which one is it?
Based on all of this, i feel confident is saying Max was eaten alive, Horner was desperate on the horn to the FIA begging for the race... The director obliged. LH outperformed Max who was in the pole setting car.

At some point you have to look at the quali times and admit the cars are pretty equal when the pressure us off. Come race time when the pressure is on Lewis was much faster than Max, and that's a fact.

You jumped in on a post where my opinion is that Lewis was robbed to counter my points. Don't hide behind the "appreciates both" statement. You are jumping to Max's defense and expectedly so, this is something his fans will be doing until he can prove he can win an important race with out director gifting him a win.

Oooook. Nothing intelligible in there, based on your use of words like “clear” and “fact” when nothing you’ve said shows either lmao. Then you call me a Max fan to support your need to be right and win for your team. Good luck with your clear facts in life.

Btw my top three favorite drivers are Lando, Leclerc, and Seb (in no particular order). Lewis has the best story though.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

next season is going to be very interesting. Who has nailed the new design, did anyone find any interesting loopholes. Do the new regs even work or will it take a while for everyone to confirm to one key theme.
Will have to watch some ice racing or something.

Let's wait and see whether in 2022 the FIA regulations will be as flexible as a Mercedes AMG rear wing again.

[M Hybrid V8]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Let's wait and see whether in 2022 the FIA regulations will be as flexible as a Mercedes AMG rear wing again.

Why claim it's flexible instead of the wing being a hologram? Neither claim has any facts to back it up so let your imagination run wild and have fun with it. Adrian Newey is at Redbull, so I guess Merecdes' engineers handed him a "L" as well.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Now Lewis has a young buck ready to give it everything. George is no slouch, he definitely has the talent.

Maybe Lewis should drive his Williams. Seems a bit of a handful....

I'm outta here.

Bye guys!



Cheers
Robin

[M3WC]

There is only one thing to do. Cancel the last lap and apply a 10sec penalty to Lewis for cutting the 1st corner.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Maybe Lewis should drive his Williams. Seems a bit of a handful....

I'm outta here.

Bye guys!



Cheers
Robin

First time in Merc George was easily going to win Sakhir 2020 race. If stupid Merc didn't put a mix-matched tire set on.

[Artemis]

Last lap seen from behind. Amazing footage.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesJohn...18952748392450

[M Hybrid V8]

Originally Posted by M3WC

There is only one thing to do. Cancel the last lap and apply a 10sec penalty to Lewis for cutting the 1st corner.

Lewis would've received a penalty for cutting the corner if Max didn't force him off the track. Lewis destroyed Max off the line during the start so Max tried to get that position back with a divebomb up the inside to either cause a collision or prevent Lewis form being able to turn into the corner. Max 100% forced Lewis off in a desperation move. Understandable since Lewis would then proceeded to stomp him lap after lap. Even a brilliant defense by Perez couldn't help Max, Lewis simply returned to stomping on Max lap after lap.

No investigation necessary, just like the standard Max set in Brazil.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by StatenEye

Lewis was 13 seconds ahead at the end of the fair race. So that works but what Lewis did was in line with the rule book, no need for a penalty but still give Max his 10 seconds and Lewis still wins.

Not during the safety car.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Last lap seen from behind. Amazing footage.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesJohn...18952748392450

Some good hard racing. Glad to see it all end under green flag.

[M Hybrid V8]

Originally Posted by StatenEye

The Dutch must be proud.

Remember before the race Max was quoted saying "I'll only congratulate Lewis if he wins fairly." Max is then unfairly gifted a race win during a race he was completely dominated in and outshined by his own teammate and he's jumping up and down crying and celebrating like he did it on his own merit. If it was boxing Max got KO'd and out of sympathy ref gifted him the belt prompting him to celebrate and claim he's the true champion.

[M3WC]

lol

I am not even a Max fan. I find it hilarious how pissed Lewis fanboys are.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by M3WC

First time in Merc George was easily going to win Sakhir 2020 race. If stupid Merc didn't put a mix-matched tire set on.

Lewis didn't want George to win in his car


Cheers
Robin

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by StatenEye

You do realize the "corner cut" was inconsequential anyway? Lewis was lapping way faster than Max the entire race. The ONLY reason he won was bc they bent the rules to get the final lap in.

Not inconsequential at all. Lets say Lewis is told to give up the position. No one has an idea how the battle would have went down. Could have led to contact, resulting in a tire puncture or even a wreck. Who knows? The no call almost made the race a complete snoozfest. But we got the drama at the end...lol.

Originally Posted by StatenEye

Get a better sense of humor then. It's not funny at all. It's sad how the Max fanboys are celebrating scamming a victory. Imagine not caring about something and still spending time on it... now that's hilarious.

I've been watching F1 for over 20 years and posting in F1 threads for about as long as I have been on the forums. I find the threads interesting and how dedicated some become for certain drivers(including Max fans). The very definition of fanboys.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Lewis didn't want George to win in his car


Cheers
Robin

Bottas certainly had no answer to George on that day. Russell vs Hamilton has the potential of Rosberg vs Hamilton. He has the talent and is hungry to win.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Not inconsequential at all. Lets say Lewis is told to give up the position. No one has an idea how the battle would have went down. Could have led to contact, resulting in a tire puncture or even a wreck. Who knows? The no call almost made the race a complete snoozfest. But we got the drama at the end...lol.

I've been watching F1 for over 20 years and posting in F1 threads for about as long as I have been on the forums. I find the threads interesting and how dedicated some become for certain drivers(including Max fans). The very definition of fanboys.

I'm almost 52 now and one of our Bimmerpost forum members (and my mate for more than 40 years now) raced against Jos in 1992(?) as I remember. We were @Zandvoort pitlane where my mate was lapping faster than Jos in the rain (training session)

Jos pitted and almost ran over my foot. His dad so mad at him and I was standing there totally flabbergasted. Andre was just 0.5s faster or so. Andre quit and Jos went on and the rest is history.

Because I'm Dutch I have to be Max fan. And off course I am. In a normal way.

Let's put it like this. I'm a Mansell fan since mid 80s. And always will be. Not the biggest Senna fan. More Schumacher 'fan'.

When Nico was battling against Lewis and becoming WDC I was a Lewis 'fan'.

Not anymore. I think the last couple of years in F1 there were way way way too many so called incidents and way too many lucky moments ALWAYS in favour of Lewis and Mercedes (even without Max at his tail)
Silverstone '21 for me was the moment I really thought: This isn't a neutral kind of sport anymore(and it never was to begin with)

Anyway, I need some coffee....



Cheers
Robin

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

Yo that's not cool man.

I would say that's a hot stat man.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

I'm almost 52 now and one of our Bimmerpost forum members (and my mate for more than 40 years now) raced against Jos in 1992(?) as I remember. We were @Zandvoort pitlane where my mate was lapping faster than Jos in the rain (training session)

Jos pitted and almost ran over my foot. His dad so mad at him and I was standing there totally flabbergasted. Andre was just 0.5s faster or so. Andre quit and Jos went on and the rest is history.

Because I'm Dutch I have to be Max fan. And off course I am. In a normal way.

Let's put it like this. I'm a Mansell fan since mid 80s. And always will be. Not the biggest Senna fan. More Schumacher 'fan'.

When Nico was battling against Lewis and becoming WDC I was a Lewis 'fan'.

Not anymore. I think the last couple of years in F1 there were way way way too many so called incidents and way too many lucky moments ALWAYS in favour of Lewis and Mercedes (even without Max at his tail)
Silverstone '21 for me was the moment I really thought: This isn't a neutral kind of sport anymore(and it never was to begin with)

Anyway, I need some coffee....



Cheers
Robin

+1

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by StatenEye

Sooo, forget the fact that Max was trounced all race. Let's hand him the trophy. I cant believe his fans and owner admit he needs rule bending, miracles and penalties to steal a championship from a driver that lead him all race on harder tires and without the help of his teammate. You do realize the "corner cut" was inconsequential anyway? Lewis was lapping way faster than Max the entire race. The ONLY reason he won was bc they bent the rules to get the final lap in.

Wrong. The "only reason" Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi race was because he was the first to reach the chequered flag (without penalty). It ain't over till it's over. That's how it works.

Recap. During the last lap Hamilton decided on restart, on a track known for difficult overtaking and featuring aggressive curbs sections. Both Hamilton and Verstappen had to go all-in: all or nothing in a one-on-one battle, with Hamilton having the benefit of the lead. We will never know how the race would have ended if also Hamilton had been sitting on fresh soft tires after a hypothetical red flag. Could have ended as well with yet another controversial entanglement, a "cut-the-corner" or one of them making a pilot error and ending outside the track limits. You can hear in on-board communication that Mercedes rejected the suggestion of a pitstop "to keep track position". A pitstop made sense, but Mercedes was afraid of losing the P1 benefit in favor of Verstappen. That was a high-risk gamble mixed with invincibility hubris. Red Bull Racing pitted. That was a sensible gamble, calculated risk. And effectively, Hamilton preserved the P1 track position, but lost it in the final corners. Also, if Latifi would not have crashed, Hamilton was still at risk with his old hard tires for a sudden tire failure on the aggressive curbs he got reminded about by his team in the late stage of the race (remember Verstappen's tire failure in Azerbaijan on lap 46 out of 51 while leading the race: that was also highly unlikely, but it happened nevertheless).

But all speculation is for the history books: Hamilton was beaten fair and square during the final lap sprint.

[Humdizzle]

why are people so upset about HAMs gap reducing from 10 seconds to nothing ? this is normal under safety car rules. its also normal for the RD to allow cars to unlap themselves.

the only questionable thing here is the unlapping of just the cars between VER and HAM. But all teams agreed they wanted as much green flag racing as possible pre-race. the RD was within his power to do what he did.

HAM was just unlucky. He could have pitted for softs... but then he would have lost the race under the safety car if it stayed out. VER had nothing to lose by pitting for softs. Moreover he could be more aggressive since if they both crash.. he wins. HAM had to be cautious during overtakes and defending because if he and VER collide, VER wins. It would take a blatant maneuver for VER to be disqualified.

This is the boxing equivalent of a 'long 10 count'. People getting mad about the ref taking 11-12 seconds to count to 10.... the fighter getting back up and KO'ing the opponent and winning the match.

HAM got his lucky break at silverstone where he got a 10 sec penalty for punting VER off the track. and got a 25 point delta over max.

VER got his lucky break here.

Rules need to be more black and white in this sport though. And they need to make the cars closer in performance so we don't need to have dumb DRS zones like its a mario kart track with powerups along the way. imo its like 80% car and 20% driver

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by StatenEye

Max obviously was handed the race. I was just referencing how the Belgians keep trying to claim him lol. Max got mad and pointed to his flag on his car. "im dutch!"... yet they still stalk him lol. Like a crazy ex or something.

Nationality is irrelevant. It's what the driver is capable of and how he performs. That's what matters. Belgians don't "claim" Verstappen because he was born in Belgium, has a Belgian mother, is a former Belgian karting champion and spent most of his karting days at a reputable karting track driven by many F1 drivers during their karting days (Genk), but simply appreciate his talent and performance.

By the way the mothers of Max Verstappen, Lando Norris and Lance Stroll are Belgian (Hasselt, Sint-Niklaas and Brussels). Again, that doesn't matter.