[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by IanH

The number is per 100k cars sold.

I do think that an older vehicle is more likely to catch fire than a newer one and the average age of an EV on the road is far far lower than the average age of a gas car.

I agree with this but it can't ignored even a new EV can catch fire very quickly for no reason, even before it's delivered to the customer.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Looks like a Ford 500. Last built in 2007, so 17 years or older. The 500 was known to have an engine mount prone to fail and allow the engine to move around too much. Perhaps the 17+ year old fuel lines ruptured when the engine mount failed, causing the fire. So, a lack of maintenance issue, rather than an intrinic fuel instability issue.

Believe the science.

Vid blocked for over here.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Because its been engineered not to catch on fire, just as much as EV are engineered not to catch on fire either, regardless of fuel type. But through circumstances both drivetrains rarely do catch on fire.

The combustion "fire" is a tiny amount of gasoline contained in a controlled environment called a combustion cylinder, surrounded by non-combustable alloys. Belive the science.

Correct, yet if you read through this thread you would think all EVs catch fire. The fact is ICE catch fire more often. Neither catch fire enough to make me think twice about driving either. Probably higher chance of being in a reck in either than any of them catching fire.

[gblansten]

Best way to appreciate your ICE, EV or hybrid vehicle? Rent a Jeep Compass for a week. Missing my Tesla.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Best way to appreciate your ICE, EV or hybrid vehicle? Rent a Jeep Compass for a week. Missing my Tesla.

I few months ago ended up in some tiny “suv” Buick rental. OMG what a pos!!

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

I few months ago ended up in some tiny “suv” Buick rental. OMG what a pos!!

Your post got me in the feels.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Lol. Always the same retort. Lol.

At least you can acknowledge your sources suck, and can easily predict that everyone sees the flaws in your "education".

Keep up the confirmation bias! It's working.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Correct, yet if you read through this thread you would think all EVs catch fire. The fact is ICE catch fire more often. Neither catch fire enough to make me think twice about driving either. Probably higher chance of being in a reck in either than any of them catching fire.

Coles notes

EV catches on fire less, but usually more intense, and burns for longer.
ICE cars catches on fire more often, but usually less intense, and burns for less.

They both catch fire, both don't usually catch fire but can, if that bugs you maybe ride a bike?

Glad we FINALLY arrived at this point

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

I few months ago ended up in some tiny “suv” Buick rental. OMG what a pos!!

That's insulting to s**ts everywhere.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by dfox

At least you can acknowledge your sources suck, and can easily predict that everyone sees the flaws in your "education".

Keep up the confirmation bias! It's working.

Anchoring bias is something I really try to watch for in myself. Confirmation bias is always a problem for all of us.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Ok all you guys with connections to Florida in one way or another Milton has been downgraded to Cat 1 after it hit the coast at Cat 4 losing force as it continued.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ker-tampa.html

Things were still pretty nasty over there, but all of my family made it out relatively unscathed. No flooding, just some trees and fences down and things like that. Still lots of work to do from Helene though, the flooding that storm created was awful for my family, one of the houses is basically stripped to studs right now, kitchen and vanities gone, interior finishes removed up 5 feet, most furniture gone... just awful. Thankfully that's a second house, not primary residence.

[eugenebmw]

No One Wants Mercedes EVs

https://www.motor1.com/news/736870/m...sales-q3-2024/

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dfox

At least you can acknowledge your sources suck, and can easily predict that everyone sees the flaws in your "education".

Keep up the confirmation bias! It's working.

Well, if you think a few hundred years of Geology science as a source that "sucks", then your the one with the psychobabble biases.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

No One Wants Mercedes EVs

https://www.motor1.com/news/736870/m...sales-q3-2024/

Market for EV's at this price level is so over saturated it's not funny. Everyone wants to make expensive high-mileage EV's, not enough demand.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Well, if you think a few hundred years of Geology science as a source that "sucks", then your the one with the psychobabble biases.

It's not the data that you're looking at that sucks (well, sometimes it does suck), but it's the interpretation and extrapolation of said data that sucks.

Pretty sure dude predicted that we'd be seeing clear signs of a coming ice age.

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Well, if you think a few hundred years of Geology science as a source that "sucks", then your the one with the psychobabble biases.

We know you live under a rock.

[medphysdave]

Agree with those that don't want to buy an electric because of the tech changes. I think we are on the cups of major improvement in 5yrs. All of these current evs are going to seem very old. I quite like the PHEV. We have an x5e and it's great. Only electric around town, but full range on trips. There are some great leases right now on Mercedes, Cadillac, etc. I'm about to take my first step into full electric, but I'm going to lease. I don't want it long term, but I'm curious enough to want to try one out.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dfox

It's not the data that you're looking at that sucks (well, sometimes it does suck), but it's the interpretation and extrapolation of said data that sucks.

Pretty sure dude predicted that we'd be seeing clear signs of a coming ice age.

Ah, yeah, no. Obviously you've not read anything of Michaels. And you speak of biases. Lol.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

We know you live under a rock.

Actually two huge bolders brace each side of the house. They are about 1 billion years old. Formed during the Grenville orogeny. Pretty neat.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

No One Wants Mercedes EVs

https://www.motor1.com/news/736870/m...sales-q3-2024/

With the way they look no wonder, talk about a false smile plastic grille

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

With the way they look no wonder, talk about a false smile plastic grille

Same thing with the BMW plastic grille

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Same thing with the BMW plastic grille

Let's not forget the fake exhausts too.

[Smooth_Operator]

Far be it from me to be 'that guy,' but could it possibly be that ICE cars catch fire more often because there's way more of them out in the world, and way more of them that are older and have been poorly maintained? Beater Teslas don't really exist in any meaningful quantity. Feels like an obvious point that may have already been addressed... but this thread is over 400 pages long and I am not reading all that.

Anyway I wouldn't personally buy any EV, and I wouldn't buy most new ICE cars for the same reasons. Everything is too tech heavy, EV or ICE, and everything is literally too heavy as well. Most new cars feel like sensory deprivation tanks, and anything performance oriented can rocket me to jail speeds in 2 seconds. Like okay it's cool that something that weighs 6000 pounds can go from 0-60 in the times that supercars from not that long ago could do, but how engaging is that really on a day to day basis?

For what it's worth, I think my 2013 F30 has too much tech, and I'd happily 'downgrade' to an older car for my next car. I know I'm probably in the minority but if I could find a black over beige E39 530i 5 speed for a decent price I'd be driving it now. Maybe if I had kids I'd be interested in a big isolated box of airbags... but I don't.