[lauer87]

Originally Posted by johnnymu

pistol? please, I can get a machine gun and silencer in ohio legally. haha yeah that's scary, to think about it. But seriously, there's no right or wrong on gun issue, it's really the "right". The fact I have the right to protect my family.

You can own Class III firearms in most states legally as long as you have the cash, cause they are quite pricey.

Also, they are suppressors, not silencers.

[abcommercial]

Originally Posted by E92Pilot

Ignorance is bliss!

Agreed. The sure-fire way (no pun intended) to lose one's rights is to be ignorant that one has those rights in the first place. I'm sure it's been stated more eloquently by someone else. Amusing how so many who were worried that the Patriot Act undermined their Constitutional protections believe that the right to bear arms is some backwards, redneck ideology.

[scollins]

Originally Posted by lauer87

You can own Class III firearms in most states legally as long as you have the cash, cause they are quite pricey.

Also, they are suppressors, not silencers.

The last part is a semantics argument. Hiram Maxim, the first one to design and build a suppressor called it a silencer. I tend to go with the term "suppressor", since it seems more appropriate given the performance of the suppressor. But the instructions for ATF Form 4 call it a silencer, and many use the two terms interchangably. I don't get hung on up it myself.

Now when someone uses the word "clip" when they really mean "magazine", I want to bust knuckles!

[abcommercial]

Originally Posted by Mk335i

I carry my Glock 30 in my holster, if I am getting carjacked I figure I'll just draw and shoot through the window.

Nice idea about the underside of the steering column!


I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it, best words to live by. It's a just in case gun, not a "that prick just cut me off, I'll shoot out his tires" gun...

Thanks!

I posted a few pics:





In the case of a carjacking, just a slight lean forward and you can have your hand on the grip. No visible arm motion to tip off the attacker.

Incidentally, this is the Kel-Tec P-3AT pistol (http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/p3at.htm), the lightest .380 auto pistol made. With Federal Premium ammo, it has just enough stopping power to be effective, and is incredibly easy to conceal. If I am traveling to another city/state, I will also carry a .40 cal. in the glove compartment.

Originally Posted by johnnymu

I think there is a misconception here, us gun owners don't want to use our guns!!!!! it's a last resort. In fact you would be surprise who owns a gun and who doesn't.

Exactly. I have also trained continuously in the martial arts for the last 11 years. Knock on wood, I have never been in a fight, and my goal is to never be in a fight. But I have the advantage of having trained, and I carry that responsibly, too.

[Blake]

^^^ nice setup

[Bill-SD]

Scary...

[dreamk]

Originally Posted by leon

Depends on where you live. I'd look at that site I referenced early on. I'd also spend considerable time with regard to getting the appropriate training.

-Leon

i hate nj gunlaws i want a g23 or a g17/18

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by Mattingly

To above: how is this even relevant or productive?

Are you kidding me? You don't see the relevance in moonshine and fir'rms? Your just not 'merican!

[sly1types]

I like this thread...lets get back to the point and not listen to the hippies

I usually keep my taurus 9mm under the arm rest or in the side compartment. Like most states you have to have the gun concealed in the car...

It really just depends on where i am going.

[Mk23]

Originally Posted by abcommercial

Thanks!

In the case of a carjacking, just a slight lean forward and you can have your hand on the grip. No visible arm motion to tip off the attacker.

Incidentally, this is the Kel-Tec P-3AT pistol (http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/p3at.htm), the lightest .380 auto pistol made. With Federal Premium ammo, it has just enough stopping power to be effective, and is incredibly easy to conceal. If I am traveling to another city/state, I will also carry a .40 cal. in the glove compartment.



Exactly. I have also trained continuously in the martial arts for the last 11 years. Knock on wood, I have never been in a fight, and my goal is to never be in a fight. But I have the advantage of having trained, and I carry that responsibly, too.

Very nice! Only thing is I would probably prefer it on my side like someone else mentioned. But to each his own.

I prefer the 45. over every thing else though. The Glock 30 holds 10 rounds of 45. in a very compact package. I only wish there was a way to conceal my Mk23... then I'd be set lol.

[Inspired]

Does anyone know the gun laws for California?

[matt browne]

I didn't realize that bmw owners were getting car jacked all over and feared for their safety. I think a whole lot of training should happen before most people should be carrying. Yes I am well trained.

[mrad01]

Originally Posted by FStop7

Do you realize how turnip truck, trailer park ignorant you sound?

[FStop7]

Originally Posted by matt browne

I didn't realize that bmw owners were getting car jacked all over and feared for their safety.

I didn't realize how many random dumbasses on the Internet think that owning a gun is about fear.

[radix]

Originally Posted by FStop7

I didn't realize how many random dumbasses on the Internet think that owning a gun is about fear.

If it isn't about fear, then why carry one? Aggression? I can understand using a firearm for sport, but this thread really isn't about that.

[GAM3OVR85]

just carry a screw drivers

[Mk23]

I carry mine because I know in this world (USA or not) crime is abundant and everywhere. I am just prepared, has nothing to do with fear. It's also very fun to put some lead down range.

I go to the range once a week and I plan to eventually get some Blackwater training (very good place to get some gun training in BTW).

[radix]

Originally Posted by Mk335i

I carry mine because I know in this world (USA or not) crime is abundant and everywhere. I am just prepared, has nothing to do with fear. It's also very fun to put some lead down range.

I go to the range once a week and I plan to eventually get some Blackwater training (very good place to get some gun training in BTW).

Say what you will, but the main reason people carry a weapon (in this context) is because of fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of being unprepared, fear of feeling powerless, whatever, call it what you like but it all boils down to fear. In this case your first sentence indicates that you are afraid of becoming a victim. Your second sentence indicates fear of being unprepared for such a circumstance. I'm certainly not saying these fears aren't justified in today's society.

The predominate reason a person carries a sidearm is because of fear. There are of exceptions of course, the main ones being sport, criminal activity, and gun collectors. BTW, I'm not saying that carrying a firearm is a bad thing in and of itself. If you are a responsible individual and well enough trained, then no problem, but let's not be disingenuous as to the reasons people carry weapons.

[Spydeputy]

Remember... good guys carry Firearms. The bad guys carry weapons. Got to keep it straight.

[dreamk]

Originally Posted by matt browne

I didn't realize that bmw owners were getting car jacked all over and feared for their safety. I think a whole lot of training should happen before most people should be carrying. Yes I am well trained.

i kno this vid is old....
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[GAM3OVR85]

Originally Posted by dreamk

i kno this vid is old....
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....and fake

[dreamk]

Originally Posted by MTL Bimmer

....and fake

ya and fake lol