[M3 Esq]

I only got through a little of this but yea I work with some of these types who think they are entitled to a well paying job and shouldn't have to pay for college. Yes they are millennials. They think they shouldn't have to pay for anything really. Her rent isn't really that bad - it's more expensive to live in Hartford CT! Her pay sucks yes I get that, but if you want to make more money get a new job. Nothing is free. All of this fucking whining, it's not like she's living in a 3rd world country.

[BwoodBMW]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

http://www.businessinsider.com/stefa...ia-jane-2016-2

Fucking gold. 29 year old woman also with an English degree reams into the 25 year old and she's 100% right.

Well said. I work with a lot of companies that are hiring millennials right now. We are actually holding seminars on stupid shit you have to do to keep them motivated. It is a massive and very expensive problem that the second they get an offer to make $5k more/year elsewhere they jump ship. Normally this is after less than a year of employment and they aren't really good enough to throw more money at them to keep them so we end up in a constant battle of hiring young folks and hoping to get lucky enough to find those that are loyal and motivated and want to make a difference.

It is a very strange time given that you hear about so many people looking for work and here we have jobs for kids coming out of school starting at $50k or more and we can't find and retain good workers.

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by BwoodBMW

Well said. I work with a lot of companies that are hiring millennials right now. We are actually holding seminars on stupid shit you have to do to keep them motivated. It is a massive and very expensive problem that the second they get an offer to make $5k more/year elsewhere they jump ship. Normally this is after less than a year of employment and they aren't really good enough to throw more money at them to keep them so we end up in a constant battle of hiring young folks and hoping to get lucky enough to find those that are loyal and motivated and want to make a difference.

It is a very strange time given that you hear about so many people looking for work and here we have jobs for kids coming out of school starting at $50k or more and we can't find and retain good workers.

Entitlement has ruined gratitude.

[M3 Esq]

Originally Posted by BwoodBMW

Well said. I work with a lot of companies that are hiring millennials right now. We are actually holding seminars on stupid shit you have to do to keep them motivated. It is a massive and very expensive problem that the second they get an offer to make $5k more/year elsewhere they jump ship. Normally this is after less than a year of employment and they aren't really good enough to throw more money at them to keep them so we end up in a constant battle of hiring young folks and hoping to get lucky enough to find those that are loyal and motivated and want to make a difference.

It is a very strange time given that you hear about so many people looking for work and here we have jobs for kids coming out of school starting at $50k or more and we can't find and retain good workers.

That's because they think their first job out of college should be VP level making 100k+. They think they don't have to work for anything.

[jtodd_fl]

Originally Posted by M3 Esq

That's because they think their first job out of college should be VP level making 100k+. Strange times. They think they don't have to work for anything.

But they went to college! And their Moms and Dads told them how amazingly special they were! Don't these stupid employers understand who they are? They are just getting screwed by idiots!

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by jtodd_fl

But they went to college! And their Moms and Dads told them how amazingly special they were! Don't these stupid employers understand who they are? They are just getting screwed by idiots!

Don't let the CEO's hear you!

[Ali Shiralian]

Originally Posted by Mik3ymomo

I bet she votes... and you can guess which way.

Trump supporter perhaps?

[Ali Shiralian]

This is not unreasonable for a young person to think this way. I employ people like this all the time and beleive me most feel I should be privileged that they work for me. Sense of entitlement is rampant with young people and there's no way around it.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by BwoodBMW

Well said. I work with a lot of companies that are hiring millennials right now. We are actually holding seminars on stupid shit you have to do to keep them motivated. It is a massive and very expensive problem that the second they get an offer to make $5k more/year elsewhere they jump ship. Normally this is after less than a year of employment and they aren't really good enough to throw more money at them to keep them so we end up in a constant battle of hiring young folks and hoping to get lucky enough to find those that are loyal and motivated and want to make a difference.

It is a very strange time given that you hear about so many people looking for work and here we have jobs for kids coming out of school starting at $50k or more and we can't find and retain good workers.

Why continue hiring young workers then?

A lot of people in my office are in their 20's and 30's but most of them are programmers so they don't really have this sort of attitude. It's always the idiot with the virtually useless degree who seems to have these issues.

[Ali Shiralian]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Why continue hiring young workers then?

A lot of people in my office are in their 20's and 30's but most of them are programmers so they don't really have this sort of attitude. It's always the idiot with the virtually useless degree who seems to have these issues.

Because we hope young people stay longer looking to earn more money and there's no retirement. I have the same problem as above, have msny positions but not any good candidates to fill them.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by BwoodBMW

Well said. I work with a lot of companies that are hiring millennials right now. We are actually holding seminars on stupid shit you have to do to keep them motivated. It is a massive and very expensive problem that the second they get an offer to make $5k more/year elsewhere they jump ship. Normally this is after less than a year of employment and they aren't really good enough to throw more money at them to keep them so we end up in a constant battle of hiring young folks and hoping to get lucky enough to find those that are loyal and motivated and want to make a difference.

It is a very strange time given that you hear about so many people looking for work and here we have jobs for kids coming out of school starting at $50k or more and we can't find and retain good workers.

Originally Posted by M3 Esq

That's because they think their first job out of college should be VP level making 100k+. They think they don't have to work for anything.

It's stupid that a company spends a shit ton of dollars on how to appease people than just hire the right person the first time around. But I guess there is a shift in attitude.

I'm not one of those but loyalty in general has gone down the toilet. Not because of only the youngsters, but also because of the companies. For example, you get hired at will, you do a great job and perform beyond expectations. You put in a couple of years, you are more knowledgeable than your managers. Yet they get paid more and you have no room to move upwards until they DIE (because people like that ave no ambition to move up, nor have incentive to work any harder or go somewhere else, they are just too comfortable). I will add completely different than someone who thinks they deserve a promotion just because of the time they put in. No wonder smart people leave companies.

I have jumped almost 40k in salary in the last 15 months. Before that I jumped 10k in almost four years. You should be paid what you are worth. When companies don't realize this, you wonder why everyone new who comes in realizes they're on a shitty ass team.

I can't wait for the next few years when I'm finally in position to make the decisions regarding the vision of the team. If you aren't performing at a top level, I will straight replace you. If you haven't contributed anything new or have had any ideas on how to change something (that you have complete ownership of) to make it better, you will get low performance reviews and will be shown the door (my biggest pet peeve is the excuse "we've been doing it this way for 10 years" - NO SHIT it's time to do it better then ). All of this, the same as I expect to be treated. Until a team has a leader like that (have been on teams like this and not like this), you will always hire and remain mediocre. That's why I left in just over a year, I was working with middle management who have realized their full potential YEARS ago. Hard to respect people like that.

If I find out he/she is on bimmerpost, we will be buddies.

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

It's stupid that a company spends a shit ton of dollars on how to appease people than just hire the right person the first time around. But I guess there is a shift in attitude.

I'm not one of those but loyalty in general has gone down the toilet. Not because of only the youngsters, but also because of the companies. For example, you get hired at will, you do a great job and perform beyond expectations. You put in a couple of years, you are more knowledgeable than your managers. Yet they get paid more and you have no room to move upwards until they DIE (because people like that ave no ambition to move up, nor have incentive to work any harder or go somewhere else, they are just too comfortable). No wonder smart people leave companies.

I have jumped almost 40k in salary in the last 15 months. Before that I jumped 10k in almost four years. You should be paid what you are worth. When companies don't realize this, you wonder why everyone new who comes in realizes they're on a shitty ass team.

I can't wait for the next few years when I'm finally in position to make the decisions regarding the vision of the team. If you aren't performing at a top level, I will straight replace you. If you haven't contributed anything new or have had any ideas on how to change something (that you have complete ownership of) to make it better, you will get low performance reviews and will be shown the door (my biggest pet peeve is the excuse "we've been doing it this way for 10 years" - NO SHIT it's time to do it better then ). All of this, the same as I expect to be treated. Until a team has a leader like that (have been on teams like this and not like this), you will always hire and remain mediocre. That's why I left in just over a year, I was working with middle management who have realized their full potential YEARS ago. Hard to respect people like that.

Hire me pls am worthy of ur surrvis.

[Verbiage]

Continue forth with the same methods, you will get the same results. Tried and true. Interesting how simple corporate philosophies can be, yet so elusive. Call it monarchical management.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Verbiage

Hire me pls am worthy of ur surrvis.

I just edited my post - look at my last sentence.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Verbiage

Oh no.

Wait she's not asian though? Trust me I know my own kind

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

I just edited my post - look at my last sentence.

Shit! Looks like I'm moving to the West Coast then.


I'm a project manager/business analyst. I think big.

[imserious]

Originally Posted by BwoodBMW

Well said. I work with a lot of companies that are hiring millennials right now. We are actually holding seminars on stupid shit you have to do to keep them motivated. It is a massive and very expensive problem that the second they get an offer to make $5k more/year elsewhere they jump ship. Normally this is after less than a year of employment and they aren't really good enough to throw more money at them to keep them so we end up in a constant battle of hiring young folks and hoping to get lucky enough to find those that are loyal and motivated and want to make a difference.

It is a very strange time given that you hear about so many people looking for work and here we have jobs for kids coming out of school starting at $50k or more and we can't find and retain good workers.

Hilarious. I participated on a task force whose mission it was to implement on campus recruiting to increase the number of fresh college grads. Part of that approach was educating hiring managers on what motivates and keeps millennials engaged. I was like, "how about a well paying job in a company that is growing?" No, instead it was something like being able to make a tangible difference in making society a better place. Oh, I forgot. We were hiring superheros, not programmers and analysts.

[imserious]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Why continue hiring young workers then?

A lot of people in my office are in their 20's and 30's but most of them are programmers so they don't really have this sort of attitude. It's always the idiot with the virtually useless degree who seems to have these issues.

Many companies are having trouble with an aging workforce. Besides higher salaries and more expensive benefits, as people retire they take knowledge capital with them.

For companies to survive in the long term they need to hire and invest in younger talent. Better organizational cost model, more current skills and longer (potential) runway with the company. Loyalty is hard with the youngins.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by imserious

Many companies are having trouble with an aging workforce. Besides higher salaries and more expensive benefits, as people retire they take knowledge capital with them.

For companies to survive in the long term they need to hire and invest in younger talent. Better organizational cost model, more current skills and longer (potential) runway with the company. Loyalty is hard with the youngins.

I think it's probably because they have this view of companies instilled in their heads that companies don't give a shit about them and that the easiest way to get a bump in pay is to move jobs (which technically is true, not saying I advocate it).

And depending on what they do for the company, size, etc. they may be right in that the company may not give a shit about them. It all depends on the available labor out there.

[jtodd_fl]

Originally Posted by imserious

Many companies are having trouble with an aging workforce. Besides higher salaries and more expensive benefits, as people retire they take knowledge capital with them.

For companies to survive in the long term they need to hire and invest in younger talent. Better organizational cost model, more current skills and longer (potential) runway with the company. Loyalty is hard with the youngins.

Wow, way to go all "factual". Try not to be so serious Mr. Im.... Uh... Serious.

Never mind. (Actually - this is dead on, all kidding aside. As we lose people to natural attrition (aka retirement) we need people who are ready to fill in - that takes years to develop.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by imserious

Hilarious. I participated on a task force whose mission it was to implement on campus recruiting to increase the number of fresh college grads. Part of that approach was educating hiring managers on what motivates and keeps millennials engaged. I was like, "how about a well paying job in a company that is growing?" No, instead it was something like being able to make a tangible difference in making society a better place. Oh, I forgot. We were hiring superheros, not programmers and analysts.

Jesus Christ, that's so fucking true. We have people like that here I just roll my eyes. You'd swear we're curing AIDS and spreading world peace over here.

[jtodd_fl]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Jesus Christ, that's so fucking true. We have people like that here I just roll my eyes. You'd swear we're curing AIDS and spreading world peace over here.

It's work people. You give us work. We give you money. You want to save the world, use the money we paid you. Here, we make software. Get on with it people.