[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by csu87

see above. No one cares that you feel he had a wrong value for a GT3. The point is, in 4 years, a 60k car will have better performance than your GT3, even if the GT3 costs $1million. The value in 4yrs is irrelevant.

Answer this why did he even bring up values of cars then?

Also you think the next gen Z28 is going to pick up 12secs at the Ring and run a 7:25? Ah, no.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by basscadet

If you spend $150k on a GT3 in 2016 you're not going to get $100k for it in 2020.

Please look up what a 2010 GT3 goes for right now. Seriously do it. Then look at the msrp when new, I will help you it was $113k. Why don't you just admit the GT3 doesn't depreciate 50%("$72k") in 4-5 years. My friend has a 997.2 GT3, he has been offered crazy money for it. Almost bit and ordered a GT4, talked him out of it. The next gen Z28 is not running 7:25 at the ring.

[csu87]

It's cool you don't understand. Some people do, some people don't and that's ok.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by csu87

It's cool you don't understand. Some people do, some people don't and that's ok.

Avoid the question and facts. That's cool.

[hellrotm]

So back on topic.

Did Ford say whether they were referring to the 991 GT3 or 997 GT3?

Or what track these times were set on?

[csu87]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Avoid the question and facts. That's cool.

I did several posts up. But you don't understand so that's fine. No sense derailing this more trying to explain it to you when you aren't going to get it

[DieGrüneHölle]

That shot is amazing!

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by csu87

I did several posts up. But you don't understand so that's fine. No sense derailing this more trying to explain it to you when you aren't going to get it

Over it.

Now maybe Ford will provide some more info.

[TunedM2C]

And for the price of a brand new Mustang Ecoboost, you can get yourself four replacement GT350R wheels. I'd use four lug locks for each wheel if I had these on my car.

[David70]

Originally Posted by Strongbark

And for the price of a brand new Mustang Ecoboost, you can get yourself four replacement GT350R wheels. I'd use four lug locks for each wheel if I had these on my car.

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...ont-cost-30000

The Internet lit up yesterday with talks of the new Shelby GT350R’s carbon fiber wheels when the Mustang6G forum posted a pricing sheet stating they’ll cost more than $30,000 at retail.

So rest assured, replacement wheels won’t cost you $30K, though we’d assume insurance would probably cover damage or theft anyway.

[TunedM2C]

Well that's a relief!

[pgviper]

Configurator is up!!!

Enjoy...
http://shop.ford.com/build/mustang/?...-cars#/select/

[BMW269]

Amazing how much car you get for the money.

[Antonio1988]

Ever since the 03-04 Cobra, Ford has seriously underestimated power output of the engines. A very good friend of mine is the head tuner for American Muscle (biggest mustang aftermarket part source in the US) and, well, here are some of the numbers they have gotten from their bone stock cars on a Mustang Dyno, which typically reads lower than a dynojet:

2013 Boss 302
- Advertised: 444 crank hp
- Dyno'd: 405rwhp (given a 15 - 20% drivetrain loss, this would yield 476 - 506 crank hp)

2013 GT500
- Advertised: 662 crank hp
- Dyno'd: 590 (given a 15-20% drivetrain loss, this would yield 694 - 737 crank hp)

These are not fluke stories either, as it seems Ford underestimates all their cars. If they're saying the GT350 is pumping out 520, and they're pulling GT3 laptimes, I'd believe it, because given Ford's track record, 520 is likely to mean close to 600.

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by Levi

Amazing how much car you get for the money.

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by Antonio1988

Ever since the 03-04 Cobra, Ford has seriously underestimated power output of the engines. A very good friend of mine is the head tuner for American Muscle (biggest mustang aftermarket part source in the US) and, well, here are some of the numbers they have gotten from their bone stock cars on a Mustang Dyno, which typically reads lower than a dynojet:

2013 Boss 302
- Advertised: 444 crank hp
- Dyno'd: 405rwhp (given a 15 - 20% drivetrain loss, this would yield 476 - 506 crank hp)

2013 GT500
- Advertised: 662 crank hp
- Dyno'd: 590 (given a 15-20% drivetrain loss, this would yield 694 - 737 crank hp)

These are not fluke stories either, as it seems Ford underestimates all their cars. If they're saying the GT350 is pumping out 520, and they're pulling GT3 laptimes, I'd believe it, because given Ford's track record, 520 is likely to mean close to 600.

The results will speak for themselves. Unless this car has over 600 hp and stickier compound, I don't see it touching a GT3 and even more so not an RS. Who knows, maybe the 'runs lap times like a GT3' was the 997. We all know in 2010 BMW targeted the GT3 with the M3 GTS and was still slower than a GT3 RS from 1999. Most manufacturers are a good generation or more behind where Porsche is. Only ones who are comparable are Ferrari and now McLaren.

Usually manufacturers make claims like this to create hype. The GT3 is the King of Benchmarks so obviously Ford knows this claim would stir things up. Even if it were running times like a 997 GT3, thats quite an accomplishment given how far ahead the GT3 or any GT is.

[csu87]

Not sure if this got posted in here, but looks like it beat the 997 gt3 rs mkii by about a second back in January.
http://horsepowerkings.com/report-20...rburgring-lap/

[gthal]

Originally Posted by EfEightyM3

...Most manufacturers are a good generation or more behind where Porsche is. Only ones who are comparable are Ferrari and now McLaren...

Also Nissan and likely Acura soon... and Chev...

I'm excited to buy a 911 in the next little while but there is some seriously blind Porsche worship going on here You should do some research on the "engine stumble" issue that is afflicting a large number of 911's that Porsche refuses to acknowledge but is causing a LOT of Porsche faithful to lose that faith... no manufacturer is perfect

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Antonio1988

Ever since the 03-04 Cobra, Ford has seriously underestimated power output of the engines. A very good friend of mine is the head tuner for American Muscle (biggest mustang aftermarket part source in the US) and, well, here are some of the numbers they have gotten from their bone stock cars on a Mustang Dyno, which typically reads lower than a dynojet:

2013 Boss 302
- Advertised: 444 crank hp
- Dyno'd: 405rwhp (given a 15 - 20% drivetrain loss, this would yield 476 - 506 crank hp)

2013 GT500
- Advertised: 662 crank hp
- Dyno'd: 590 (given a 15-20% drivetrain loss, this would yield 694 - 737 crank hp)

These are not fluke stories either, as it seems Ford underestimates all their cars. If they're saying the GT350 is pumping out 520, and they're pulling GT3 laptimes, I'd believe it, because given Ford's track record, 520 is likely to mean close to 600.

Power is nothing if you can't put it down. Both of those cars were easily bested by their lesser-HP and heavier Camaro counterparts around the track. Why? The Camaros could put their power down, with magnetic suspension, wider tires, better weight distribution, independent rear suspension, better brakes/cooling, etc.

Just because the 350R is going that much faster around the track doesn't me an it's making 800hp, Ford just have have decided to concentrate on the "total package" a little more, rather than the "hellcat" mentality of stuffing a huge engine and HP in a car that can't possibly put the power down.

I'd rather Ford concentrate their efforts here, on handling and the dynamics, rather than trying to make up for crappy handling by trying to supercharge as many HP as possible to out straight-line everyone else.

[FogCityM3]

While if I had the choice, I would choose the GT3, price aside, a large displacement, high-revving, flat-plane V8 is a feat in and of itself and is completely unique compared to anything out there and it looks and sounds incredible! On its own merits, the GT350R would seem to be an awesome car to own. Yes, a tad heavy, but even in pro hands who can exploit every tenth of a second, being off 1-2 seconds vs a GT3 is not gonna make a difference for us amateurs going on the track..it will be all driver at that point. Actually the Mustang may be somewhat easier to drive without nannies on and would not surprise me that in most situations, most drivers may be faster in a GT350. Just pay attention to what happens on the track, there are a disproportionate amount of "GT3 meets the wall" situations where such a rear biased car can be tougher to control.

What is also appealing for the Mustang are all the consumables needed for a track car will be extremely cheap, you will not feel bad about minor damages and you'll have full Ford factory warranty support for tracking your car, which is not something that I believe Porsche offers even with the GT3 (with any consistency).

What Ford is offering vis a vis every car other car maker is incredible and the fact that BMW isn't even entering into the same conversation about excitement factor of the GT3 and GT350 is pretty sad.

[BMW269]

However shit this Ford Mustang is (something that it is not), the NA Ferrari style flat crank V8 alone is worth to get the car.

Funny how so-called car enthusiast ask BMW for something that only true enthusiasts would buy, and when some competitor offers that, they find invalid excuses like "badge" or "cheap interior".

The GT350 has high-revving NA engine, good torque, manual, don't know what is not ok with that.


Why is it so hard to believe that some other manufacturer can also build good and worthy cars? After all it is also hard to believe that BMW would have a FWD van in their portfolio, yet it is their, they have it, and it was Germany's best selling BMW in July 2015.

[Shredicus]

Originally Posted by Levi

However shit this Ford Mustang is (something that it is not), the NA Ferrari style flat crank V8 alone is worth to get the car.

Funny how so-called car enthusiast ask BMW for something that only true enthusiasts would buy, and when some competitor offers that, they find invalid excuses like "badge" or "cheap interior".

The GT350 has high-revving NA engine, good torque, manual, don't know what is not ok with that.

This engine while possessing a flat crank is still very different from a Ferrari v8. For one the displacement is very high for this motor and it doesn't utilize any particularly exotic lightweight materials, so I anticipate the voodoo will be much coarser. Additionally it has a (relatively) massive stroke of 93mm compared to 81mm of the Ferrari f430 / 458 or the Porsche 918's 4.6 v8 (also fpc) giving it the record for highest mean effective piston speed of any production vehicle at 25.6 m/s. Finally the flatplane crank utilized by Ford is an odd UpDownUpDown throw vs. the conventional fpc UpDownDownUp orientation.

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/mustang/...voodoo-v8.html