[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

I'd like to give benefit of doubt and blame new tire glaze.

[F1Venom]

The GTR tires aren't very wide either

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by TahoeM3

They are for a 4500 lb car with 700 hp. This car isn't exactly going to be known for its handling.

No shit, the driver wasnt driving on the twisties.

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

275s aren't skinny but when you have a 707 hp / 650 tq vehicle using them, they are. Even if it was AWD, 275s are too small. 305s should have came with the car.

The car comes with either summer or all-season tires. Though in cold, freezing weather it doesn't matter if they had studded tires this would have still have happened.

275's are adequate otherwise it wouldnt run low 11's, they're not the widest but i wouldn't call em skinny.

With track traction control on, i'm pretty sure it's not putting down 707 hp /650 tq when traction becomes an issue. It might have 100lb-ft WTQ than an M4 but it weighs a 1,000lb more.

An inch wider tires (305's) wouldn't have made a difference with traction control off even on dry pavement. I guess 305's are skinny tires too when you have 707 hp.

[Vigilante375]

Did you ever see the Hellcat press event? The cars would spin, spin, spin. Not even an SRT engineer, or whatever he was, couldn't get the car to hook up and run the advertised 0-60 times. That was even with the launch control.

305s would have been the minimal tire size for the rears. But nothing for the owners to do now but to go out and get some bigger tires.

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Did you ever see the Hellcat press event? The cars would spin, spin, spin. Not even an SRT engineer, or whatever he was, couldn't get the car to hook up and run the advertised 0-60 times. That was even with the launch control.

305s would have been the minimal tire size for the rears. But nothing for the owners to do now but to go out and get some bigger tires.

The owners need stickier drag radials, not an inch wider street tires (305's) and the Hellcat runs mid 10's with traction off.

Richard Rawlings runs high 10's, the car didnt just spins its tires, the launch control worked pretty good.

skip to the 2:40 mark

[Vigilante375]

If you believe that Richard, himself, ran a high 10 in that car.....then I'll show give my time machine.

Launch control does work when you know what to do and have a good surface that works with your tires that are properly air'd.

[fecurtis]

I jokingly said that at it's price point a lot of well to do rednecks will end up wrapping these around telephone poles...

Glad the driver is ok though, having something like that happen and being able to walk away with your life (and the passengers onboard) is a testament to how safe modern cars are...however as with most cars pushing that much power, owners really need to attend a driving course geared towards teaching people the limits of physics. I hope the driver learned an important lesson that you can lose control even on straights if you aren't careful. You don't need to be on the Nurburgring to find yourself in trouble with regards to pushing a car to more than what the tires can handle.

I took a performance driving class years ago with Lexus (they had just released the first gen IS-F and it was a good way for them to get potential buyers behind the wheel of a different Lexus...one that wouldn't put you to sleep as you drove it) and it was one of the most useful things I've ever done as far as learning and practicing vehicle control at it's limits.

Shame you don't have to do things like that just to get a driver's license. The kind of stuff you learn there can be the difference between life or death be it a Bugatti Veyron or a Toyota Prius.

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

If you believe that Richard, himself, ran a high 10 in that car.....then I'll show give my time machine.

Launch control does work when you know what to do and have a good surface that works with your tires that are properly air'd.

Whaaaaat?

You need stickier tires,not wider street tires.

Richard times are in line with the NHRA certified quarter-mile time of 11.2 seconds at 125mph with stock Pirelli P275/40ZR20 P Zero tires, and 10.8 seconds at 126mph with street legal drag radials.

Back when i had my mid 11second 335i, it ran mid 11's on 245's M/T ET drag radials, high 11's on wider 275's and 255's street tires.

[Vigilante375]

Whaaaaat?

You need stickier tires,not wider street tires.

Richard times are in line with the NHRA certified quarter-mile time of 11.2 seconds at 125mph with stock Pirelli P275/40ZR20 P Zero tires, and 10.8 seconds at 126mph with street legal drag radials.

Back when i had my mid 11second 335i, it ran mid 11's on 245's M/T ET drag radials, high 11's on wider 275's and 255's street tires.

I was telling you that it was not Richard that ran the impressive 10.8 on DRs. I'm sure of it, if he did run 10.8 on DRs then anyone can. Reason why I say no, is of all of the camera angle changes.

Yes, not every tire is the same. Like some 245s are have more contact patch than 255s, some 265s have more contact patch than 275s, etc. So I know what you're saying that they need a stickier tire and I'm not talking JUST for the drag strip but for everyday driving. I know people riding around on DRs or barely street legal tires but what happens if they just so happen get caught in a slight rain storm? They'll have to wait or take it very slow home. So if they had say PSS in 305s then it would be a hell of a lot better than the stock summer or optional all-seasons.

Just like in the 1/4 world, the fastest 10.5" tire'd vehicle was in the low 6 high 5 sec range. And when I think of wider tires, I mean tires with more grip as well. Not just a bigger size of the same tire.

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

I was telling you that it was not Richard that ran the impressive 10.8 on DRs. I'm sure of it, if he did run 10.8 on DRs then anyone can. Reason why I say no, is of all of the camera angle changes.

Yes, not every tire is the same. Like some 245s are have more contact patch than 255s, some 265s have more contact patch than 275s, etc. So I know what you're saying that they need a stickier tire and I'm not talking JUST for the drag strip but for everyday driving. I know people riding around on DRs or barely street legal tires but what happens if they just so happen get caught in a slight rain storm? They'll have to wait or take it very slow home. So if they had say PSS in 305s then it would be a hell of a lot better than the stock summer or optional all-seasons.

Just like in the 1/4 world, the fastest 10.5" tire'd vehicle was in the low 6 high 5 sec range. And when I think of wider tires, I mean tires with more grip as well. Not just a bigger size of the same tire.

Here's a quote from Richard Rawlings since you didnt believe the video :

2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat is THE fastest production muscle car EVER. I drove it 1/4 mile in 10.8 SECONDS. GYSOT! ...

https://m.facebook.com/RRRawlings/posts/325036244318369

[TahoeM3]

Originally Posted by F1Venom

The GTR tires aren't very wide either

The stock rears on a GTR are 285s, it weighs some 700 lbs less than a Challenger, and oh what's that other thing it has? Oh yeah...AWD. That means all four wheels get traction.

[TahoeM3]

Originally Posted by V1.47fan

No shit, the driver wasnt driving on the twisties.

I guess you weren't there, even though you seem to think you were.

Here's a quote from the article...

"The road, according to the TFLCar.com report, is a twisting and winding two-lane road in a semi-rural area that includes crests and dips. The speed limit is posted 40 mph. Police are investigating, but the weather and road conditions were reportedly clear at the time and it’s not known if speed was a factor or not."

But anyway, if you want to believe that 275 tires are adequate for that car, knock yourself out. Or better yet, go drive one and see for yourself.

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by TahoeM3

That's a shame, but expected. That's what happens when you put 700 hp in a poorly-handling, heavy car with skinny tires. It's like a special kind of Darwin's theory that only applies to rednecks.

I stand corrected, the crash happened on the twisties.

On Dec 19, it was dark , you have a sports car on the twisties,add reckless driving( based on the skid marks) on summer tires with outside temps around 30.8F, your conclusion? Blame the car.

It doesnt only apply to Rednecks, same conditions,put a hipster driving recklessly behind the wheel of an M3 on skinny 275's in the rear, you can expect the same results.

Also, it's pretty silly to assume a guy driving a Challenger Hellcat outside of Denver is a Redneck.

From your link

... the performance tires that it wears from the factory cannot perform well at temperatures near 32F (as it was in this case).

[1MOREMOD]

I thought that you may be a redneck if .... you own a hellcat.

[///M3THOD]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

cars are getting so fast and affordable . this is going to be common.

100% Agreed.

Originally Posted by AMPowerJ

That's one way to 'break' it in.

Too soon..

At least he can say he got an hour out of it. Thats better than 59 minutes.

[Vigilante375]

So how many people have seen rednecks driving a Challenger or Charger compared to wanna-be gangsta's?

Rednecks enjoy a mullet Camaro, why? Because 'Merica.....

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Rednecks enjoy a mullet Camaro, why? Because 'Merica.....

[ShocknAwe]

Colorado is full of rednecks. They're everywhere, in every state. EVERY state.

Love this car though. Useless, but I love it anyways.

[TahoeM3]

Originally Posted by V1.47fan

I stand corrected, the crash happened on the twisties.

On Dec 19, it was dark , you have a sports car on the twisties,add reckless driving( based on the skid marks) on summer tires with outside temps around 30.8F, your conclusion? Blame the car.

It doesnt only apply to Rednecks, same conditions,put a hipster driving recklessly behind the wheel of an M3 on skinny 275's in the rear, you can expect the same results.

Also, it's pretty silly to assume a guy driving a Challenger Hellcat outside of Denver is a Redneck.

From your link

No, no it is not. Anyone who buys a Challenger is a redneck. Even if they weren't before, they become a redneck immediately upon purchase. The mullet is included. And yes there are plenty of rednecks in Colorado. Ever been there? It's not all potheads and hippies. There are plenty of farmers, rednecks, cowboys, and others.

I'm not sure why you are so sensitive about this, V1.47.0582'rxjqz5, but I'm not trying to blame the car. I think I was pretty clear that as I said, it was bound to happen when you put a redneck (especially one who isn't used to fast cars) in a high power car without enough tire or handling. If a 275 isn't enough tire for an M4, and its not, it's definitely not enough for a 4500 lb 700 hp Dodge.

[F1Venom]

Well I doubt a liberal would buy this type of car, lol.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by V1.47fan

Man up! anyone who drives an X5 or E92 M3 becomes effeminate.

Heres a liberals car: