[Quadruple VANOS]

I think I'd prefer stepping down to the 2LZ and add carbon brakes.

[mikado463]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Just goes to show that even with the slight price increase, a z06 is still a better bang for buck.

for sure one of the best track performance cars for the $$ and my 20 year old ZO6 which I paid 22k for last year is proof that at it's price point there is little (if any) comparison.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

How did they lie? They priced this car based on inflation.

I would actually believe this car would've cost around 92k before inflation.

Don't forget, there are actual idiots paying 140k FOR A FUCKING M4 COMP. Now that's highway robbery.

And before people say well that's a BMW and a corvette is a chevy. That M4 started out as a fucking economy 4 series car. A 430I that onlyfans university girl is driving to school, then showing her ass when she gets off of school is essentially driving the same car minus all the performance goodies.

The C8Z is a higher performance car that is based off a base performance car. A stingray that has put a lot of more expensive cars to shame on the track, and some even in a straight line, at least 0-120 or so.

What other car can you get for 106 thousand, or fuck make it 120k that is mid engine, has a DCT trans, has a V8, sounds like a ferrari, that has almost 700hp, back by the usual GM warranty, and brand new?

Please name a few. Or better yet, just name one car. Brand new, that has the credentials better than what i just said above.

I do agree the z06 is slightly more expensive but don't forget the times we're living in now. And don't forget the performance it's capable of.

LOL

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

It's totally understandable people are upset at the price.

But to say it's a failure because it's about 10k more than what they wanted to pay, is fucking hilarious.

GM will sell every single one.

And actually, i hope a lot of people back out because of the 10k+ price increase because that just gets me my C8Z much faster.

Did I say I am backing out? Also, if that is your takeaway from my post then you are not paying attention.

Big picture, pal, big picture. Take a look.

[Quadruple VANOS]

When I shop for cars, I create a list of prices for how I'd spec each model. To me this is what really matters, as I usually choose many available options. This is where the Z06 slots into my list:

2023 Carrera - $123,390
2023 Z06 - $128,035
2023 Carrera S - $137,940
2023 Carrera GTS - $160,850

Yea a Carrera is way classier, but I'd have to think hard about passing on a Z06 for a Carrera S at $10k more. I am not really seriously considering a base Carrera over a Z06.
Definitely NOT cross shopping used vehicles.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Did I say I am backing out? Also, if that is your takeaway from my post then you are not paying attention.

Big picture, pal, big picture. Take a look.

I wasn’t really railing you in that rant post I just used your post to rant lol.

I was just saying people are backing out over an extra 10k or so, for a legit supercar, is crazy.

106k for a mid engine supercar that sounds like a Ferrari making almost 700hp. How lucky are we?

When people are optioning their m3 or m4 to over 100k easy.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

When I shop for cars, I create a list of prices for how I'd spec each model. To me this is what really matters, as I usually choose many available options. This is where the Z06 slots into my list:

2023 Carrera - $123,390
2023 Z06 - $128,035
2023 Carrera S - $137,940
2023 Carrera GTS - $160,850

Yea a Carrera is way classier, but I'd have to think hard about passing on a Z06 for a Carrera S at $10k more. I am not really seriously considering a base Carrera over a Z06.
Definitely NOT cross shopping used vehicles.

And a carrera is no where near the potential of what the z06 will bring. Not even close.

Gm is giving us a race car for 100k. We are so lucky for this.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

And a carrera is no where near the potential of what the z06 will bring. Not even close.

Gm is giving us a race car for 100k. We are so lucky for this.

I agree. The Z06 is just a way better value. However, while the Porsche doesn't deliver anyplace near the performance (or cargo capacity that's very relevant to me); it does deliver more class and refinement.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

I agree. The Z06 is just a way better value. However, while the Porsche doesn't deliver anyplace near the performance (or cargo capacity that's very relevant to me); it does deliver more class and refinement.

Oh yeah definitely. That’s why there’s different classes and categories and performance figures for each of those classes.

Like if i wanted a car like the z06, I’m not looking for a carrera as well lol. I’d be looking at a GT3. And the z06 is cheaper with more power. Sounds and looks better too.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

And a carrera is no where near the potential of what the z06 will bring. Not even close.

Gm is giving us a race car for 100k. We are so lucky for this.

It's like $120k minimum for a base car with minimal options once you add tax/title/tags/dealer fee BS. Seems pretty tough to get anything with a decent spec for less than $140k all in even at MSRP pricing, and most will be at $150-160k. That's a hefty chunk of change for your average Corvette buyer. Will it sell? Of course. Will it have a 3-year waiting list for MSRP? No. Will dealers be offering discounts on ordered cars relatively soon? Probably.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

It's like $120k minimum for a base car with minimal options once you add tax/title/tags/dealer fee BS. Seems pretty tough to get anything with a decent spec for less than $140k all in even at MSRP pricing, and most will be at $150-160k. That's a hefty chunk of change for your average Corvette buyer. Will it sell? Of course. Will it have a 3-year waiting list for MSRP? No. Will dealers be offering discounts on ordered cars relatively soon? Probably.

Even at 125k what other mid engine car with a v8 with almost 700hp that is rumored to lap the ring around 7 minutes can you get?


I highly doubt you’re getting this car for any discount anywhere in the near future. Maybe once all the erays roll out and people see how street worthy that is, but even at that point that’s 3-4 years out.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Even at 125k what other mid engine car with a v8 with almost 700hp that is rumored to lap the ring around 7 minutes can you get?


I highly doubt you’re getting this car for any discount anywhere in the near future. Maybe once all the erays roll out and people see how street worthy that is, but even at that point that’s 3-4 years out.

You’re missing the point. Is the car a great value for what it is? Sure. Does that mean all of the people who planned on buying one can afford this pricing with higher interest rates? Definitely not, it’s a double whammy to them. They’re now looking at $300-600/month more than anticipated when the stock market is down 25%. Just read the corvette forum or Facebook groups. There’s going to be a ton of people that pass on their allocations. A lot of people thought they could just buy a car at MSRP and flip it for a $25-50k profit which seems highly unlikely now.

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

You’re missing the point. Is the car a great value for what it is? Sure. Does that mean all of the people who planned on buying one can afford this pricing with higher interest rates? Definitely not, it’s a double whammy to them. They’re now looking at $300-600/month more than anticipated when the stock market is down 25%. Just read the corvette forum or Facebook groups. There’s going to be a ton of people that pass on their allocations. A lot of people thought they could just buy a car at MSRP and flip it for a $25-50k profit which seems highly unlikely now.

God, let's hope so. Let's hope the new pricing opens up a bunch of allocations for those of us who still see this as a bargain. I understand if you can't afford it, so just get a base Vette instead.

With that bespoke engine, that tranny, those Magnetic shocks, this car is setting up to be epic...especially since most of these midengine platforms will be adopting hybrid powertrains soon.

And for the people taking up a Z06 allocation simply to buy it and flip it just to make a profit...

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

You’re missing the point. Is the car a great value for what it is? Sure. Does that mean all of the people who planned on buying one can afford this pricing with higher interest rates? Definitely not, it’s a double whammy to them. They’re now looking at $300-600/month more than anticipated when the stock market is down 25%. Just read the corvette forum or Facebook groups. There’s going to be a ton of people that pass on their allocations. A lot of people thought they could just buy a car at MSRP and flip it for a $25-50k profit which seems highly unlikely now.

Anyone who thought they would be able to buy one of these for MSRP in the first two years is functionally, you know, the word we aren't supposed to use anymore.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Anyone who thought they would be able to buy one of these for MSRP in the first two years is functionally, you know, the word we aren't supposed to use anymore.

Lots of people will get them at MSRP

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

You’re missing the point. Is the car a great value for what it is? Sure. Does that mean all of the people who planned on buying one can afford this pricing with higher interest rates? Definitely not, it’s a double whammy to them. They’re now looking at $300-600/month more than anticipated when the stock market is down 25%. Just read the corvette forum or Facebook groups. There’s going to be a ton of people that pass on their allocations. A lot of people thought they could just buy a car at MSRP and flip it for a $25-50k profit which seems highly unlikely now.

Brother. Those who are ready to buy a 90 or 95k car can still afford a 106-120k car.

There were people on the corvette forum who were prepared to spec their z06 to a 2LZ trim which would’ve been 105-110 k anyway if the price started at 92-95k.

If we’re pinching Pennies, this car was never really meant for those buyers in the first place. Meaning they really couldn’t afford it.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Anyone who thought they would be able to buy one of these for MSRP in the first two years is functionally, you know, the word we aren't supposed to use anymore.

Im getting mine at msrp. Why do people think that’s not possible? You stick with the big 3 dealer and you’re getting it at msrp period.

It’s only a matter of when you’ll get the car that’s another story.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Brother. Those who are ready to buy a 90 or 95k car can still afford a 106-120k car.

There were people on the corvette forum who were prepared to spec their z06 to a 2LZ trim which would’ve been 105-110 k anyway if the price started at 92-95k.

If we’re pinching Pennies, this car was never really meant for those buyers in the first place. Meaning they really couldn’t afford it.

Agreed.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

God, let's hope so. Let's hope the new pricing opens up a bunch of allocations for those of us who still see this as a bargain. I understand if you can't afford it, so just get a base Vette instead.

With that bespoke engine, that tranny, those Magnetic shocks, this car is setting up to be epic...especially since most of these midengine platforms will be adopting hybrid powertrains soon.

And for the people taking up a Z06 allocation simply to buy it and flip it just to make a profit...

So far, messaging some people who belong to the same wait list i am. They did not MOVE AT ALL. We're talking upper 300s/low 400s on the macmulkin list. So there's that. But maybe those are still on the fence of jumping off the list. Those who are smart, they would still get the car even if they don't want that, and just resell it. I know that's not the right thing to do but i'm saying they waited this long, they have the right to get something in return.

I'm in line for a first year anyway so i honestly don't care unless my dealer gets only 50-100 allocations the first year, then i'm fucked lol. But if they get 150-200 allocations, i'm getting mine very soon. Probably will take delivery around spring of next year.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

Lol AINT no one passing on shit

No one is stretching their budget to but this car.


Now if you are then you are, borrowing irresponsibly then what's another 50k who the fuck cares. You already a master of dumb financial decisions

If you can afford it, then another 10-20k may stop you on principle. But doubtful

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Brother. Those who are ready to buy a 90 or 95k car can still afford a 106-120k car.

There were people on the corvette forum who were prepared to spec their z06 to a 2LZ trim which would’ve been 105-110 k anyway if the price started at 92-95k.

If we’re pinching Pennies, this car was never really meant for those buyers in the first place. Meaning they really couldn’t afford it.

You sure about that? Just read the corvette forum with all of the people posting that they're going to pass on their allocations because of the pricing. The higher interest rates are adding the equivalent of another $5-10k on top of that $15-30k higher than expected price. Not everyone that can get financed at $100k can get financed at $130k. You know how many people tried to get financed to buy my $150k car and couldn't get the bank to approve it? Debt-to-income ratios still exist. Banks are tightening their lending requirements and proof of income. Banks are very worried about financing expensive depreciating assets in a down economy, they don't want to be stuck with a repo'd car. Don't forget stocks are down 25% and crypto is down 60-80% from their highs last year when everyone was "rich". lol @ thinking people aren't stretching the hell out of their budgets to buy cars right now.

Cars in the $100k+ range are sitting longer and getting price cuts. People are worried about taking that much debt with a down economy and higher interest rates. Don't know how anyone thinks this car being $20-40k more expensive than anticipated won't have a drastic effect on demand

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

You sure about that? Just read the corvette forum with all of the people posting that they're going to pass on their allocations because of the pricing. The higher interest rates are adding the equivalent of another $5-10k on top of that $15-30k higher than expected price. Not everyone that can get financed at $100k can get financed at $130k. You know how many people tried to get financed to buy my $150k car and couldn't get the bank to approve it? Debt-to-income ratios still exist. Banks are tightening their lending requirements and proof of income. Banks are very worried about financing expensive depreciating assets in a down economy, they don't want to be stuck with a repo'd car. Don't forget stocks are down 25% and crypto is down 60-80% from their highs last year when everyone was "rich". lol @ thinking people aren't stretching the hell out of their budgets to buy cars right now.

Cars in the $100k+ range are sitting longer and getting price cuts. People are worried about taking that much debt with a down economy and higher interest rates. Don't know how anyone thinks this car being $20-40k more expensive than anticipated won't have a drastic effect on demand

Saying and doing are 2 different things.

Like i said, no one in front of me has dropped off and i'm 152 or something on mac's list. I was PM'ing some people from the corvette forum who were 383 and i think the other guy was 411 and no one has jumped off yet either. I know it's still early since they just announced the price last week but anyone smart would not get off the list.

As i said earlier. Those who were ready to drop 90-95k on this car, are still ready to drop 105-120k or so on this car. Unless, as i also said earlier, they never could really afford this car and was really banking on the lowest possible MSRP to get such a beast. As you pointed out with acquiring debt of this magnitude during a recession.

I thought it'd be around 90 or 92k max. But i also thought they'd keep this car under 100k. And it ended up being 106 starting.

I was ready to buy the car at 90-92k and i'm still ready to buy the car at the actual price of 106k. I know when it comes down to it, with taxes and fees whatever it'll total to around 120k. I'm still ready to buy the car.

There are a lot of people on that forum that make good money. And it's not the actual price they have an issue with, it's more about politics and they feel GM is "screwing" them because the new z06 pricing isn't in line with previous z06 generation pricing. Because they even said it themselves, they said they are out and are willing to buy a used huracan or something like that.

So either they're lying about that, or they flat out can't afford the car at all. Or they're lying about all that as a whole and they're still getting the car but feel the need to complain about not buying it on the forums.