[swagon]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Key takeaways from this video:

- the E90 chassis was the last of the real BMW DNA cars
- GM should LS-swap the CT4 Blackwing
- the current BMW 3 Series M CS is overweight and too isolated
- because of the above, the new Model 3P is the better car now

I still find it difficult to understand why one would choose a battery electric sporty car over an ICE equivalent, you know, a car that you may not be driving every day to walmart every time you run out of condoms. But okay, Cammisa, if a little controversial in his opinions*, can drive and he's a respected person in this regard.

*emphasis on opinions...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by swagon

I still find it difficult to understand why one would choose a battery electric sporty car over an ICE equivalent, you know, a car that you may not be driving every day to walmart every time you run out of condoms. But okay, Cammisa, if a little controversial in his opinions*, can drive and he's a respected person in this regard.

*emphasis on opinions...

I didn't say I agree with Cammisa, I just highlighted the points he made. The other guy has a great idea to LS swap the CT4 Blackwing. THAT'S a great opinion

I wouldn't track either car, both are too heavy IMO.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by x622

I would LOVE to track a M3P or MSP with full suspension. I can't imagine what that feels like shooting out of a corner if you could rotate the damn thing correctly.

Oh and brakes. Jesus christ good breaks too.

How did the braking feel when you used maintenance throttle? What did the breakzone feel like switching from one pedal to the other? Is there a double hit of regen then full force brakes?

For sure the most expensive cost of tracking EV will be the replacement of tires. I will not even think of tracking EV until I can get a sponsorship from a major tire manufacture

[AmuroRay]

I believe MotorIQ has a time attack Model3 and it can only do 1 lap at full power. That's what happens when you power cars with electric women's toys.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by swagon

I still find it difficult to understand why one would choose a battery electric sporty car over an ICE equivalent, you know, a car that you may not be driving every day to walmart every time you run out of condoms. But okay, Cammisa, if a little controversial in his opinions*, can drive and he's a respected person in this regard.

*emphasis on opinions...

I think he was spot on when he said he would rather have an EV than a 4 cylinder turbo ICE vehicle with an automatic transmission and fake engine noise... or something along those lines.

Most modern "sports sedans" do absolutely nothing for me from a driving enthusiast perspective. Give me a naturally aspirated, 2 seater with a manual transmission and a loud exhaust or give me a fucking EV. That's basically where I'm at these days.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

I believe MotorIQ has a time attack Model3 and it can only do 1 lap at full power. That's what happens when you power cars with electric women's toys.

I also wonder what kind of side effects will do to multiple times fast charging and fast discharge on the battery for a track day.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

I think he was spot on when he said he would rather have an EV than a 4 cylinder turbo ICE vehicle with an automatic transmission and fake engine noise... or something along those lines.

Most modern "sports sedans" do absolutely nothing for me from a driving enthusiast perspective. Give me a naturally aspirated, 2 seater with a manual transmission and a loud exhaust or give me a fucking EV. That's basically where I'm at these days.

When I drove my first EV, I quickly realized that while being an automatic, because the torque curve is essentially flat, it is always in the correct "gear". EV are really just one-speed manuals. I'm a die hard manual transmission guy, but if forced, I could live with a single-speed EV. I say "forced" because the battery-power architecture just sucks and is stupid because of limited range, long recharge cycle and weight. Fix the battery (by using an ICE-generator), then I'm on it like stink on poop.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

I also wonder what kind of side effects will do to multiple times fast charging and fast discharge on the battery for a track day.

Battery wears down fast. And there is an issue I don’t hear anyone talk about - the harmful EMF radiation these cars give off. 5G is bad - but these cars are literally a tower under you seat.

We are talking lower sperm count, headaches, cancer or worse.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

When I drove my first EV, I quickly realized that while being an automatic, because the torque curve is essentially flat, it is always in the correct "gear". EV are really just one-speed manuals. I'm a die hard manual transmission guy, but if forced, I could live with a single-speed EV. I say "forced" because the battery-power architecture just sucks and is stupid because of limited range, long recharge cycle and weight. Fix the battery (by using an ICE-generator), then I'm on it like stink on poop.

The correct answer is to use smaller motors with gearing and find a way to turn gasoline or oil directly into energy without burning it.

Could also do a nuclear powered car- since that radiation isn’t really a thing.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Battery wears down fast. And there is an issue I don’t hear anyone talk about - the harmful EMF radiation these cars give off. 5G is bad - but these cars are literally a tower under you seat.

We are talking lower sperm count, headaches, cancer or worse.

Paranoid much? A hyundai EV ran with us all day at autoX last weekend.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

I think he was spot on when he said he would rather have an EV than a 4 cylinder turbo ICE vehicle with an automatic transmission and fake engine noise... or something along those lines.

Most modern "sports sedans" do absolutely nothing for me from a driving enthusiast perspective. Give me a naturally aspirated, 2 seater with a manual transmission and a loud exhaust or give me a fucking EV. That's basically where I'm at these days.

Well, I've got an F80 alongside a diesel G21 and I also don't really crave an G80 or the new C 63. I've driven all kinds of G8x cars and they've left me cold... so I kind of understand. Zero desire.

But, for me, still BEV = daily commuter only

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Battery wears down fast. And there is an issue I don’t hear anyone talk about - the harmful EMF radiation these cars give off. 5G is bad - but these cars are literally a tower under you seat.

We are talking lower sperm count, headaches, cancer or worse.

You know I never even thought of that side, holy s#it you can count me out of ever getting into an EV, No thanks.

[x622]

Originally Posted by Equilibrandt

I've heard "maintenance throttle" used in different contexts, but I'll assume you mean enough 'throttle' to maintain speed and not have regen kick in.

It's a bit of a doozy, honestly, since the moment you let off the throttle, you have a user-adjustable level of regen/engine braking. For me, that demands two foot track driving, because it's not perfectly simple to tell if the regen braking will be enough for your desired corner-entrance speed.

For me, I had regen set to max, which can seriously drag the car if you don't use a maintenance-level of throttle; then, my left foot is hovering over the brake in case I need more. To me, the brake feel pushing into corners is very similar to standard brakes; the handoff between regen braking and friction braking isn't sharp if you have good left-foot modulation. It's not intuitive at all unless you're used to manual driving or two foot feather-braking in a paddle shift car like our Miata.

The only reason I'd like to see this new M3P on a track instead of the old one is because it supposedly has a slider that allows the driver to "set" oversteer or understeer preferences and that's quite intriguing, along with "drift" modes. I wonder if they're similar to the Ford Focus RS's AWD power distribution in drift mode where it powers the modulates power to the rear wheels to kick the rear out.

Alternatively, as you accelerate, weight transfers to the rear. Maintenance throttle balances the car, so its weight is evenly distributed front to rear. There are times, like in the middle of a corner, where having the car balanced will help it generate more cornering grip.

Maintenance throttle is where you are applying enough throttle to get a slight acceleration to keep the car neutral front/rear which will help you corner a hair faster. You aren't quite decelerating in a corner (you should of already done your braking before the corner) but you are wanting to keep the car settled where you put it when you set up the turn, so you apply a touch of throttle.


I drive 3 pedal cars on the track mainly so I wonder how hard it'd be. One day.

[Car-Addicted]

If the EU and British allow this cheap EV take over they deserve what they get.
This is a refreshing Top Gear reminder of British Automotive Nationalism. Should remind everyone of what is at stake here.
British made motors take over the Mall | Top Gear - BBC

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

When I drove my first EV, I quickly realized that while being an automatic, because the torque curve is essentially flat, it is always in the correct "gear". EV are really just one-speed manuals. I'm a die hard manual transmission guy, but if forced, I could live with a single-speed EV. I say "forced" because the battery-power architecture just sucks and is stupid because of limited range, long recharge cycle and weight. Fix the battery (by using an ICE-generator), then I'm on it like stink on poop.

It's just a none issue for me. Fortunately I have other cars if I had the need to start driving cross country and for my regular driving it has more range than I ever come close to using. I even charge with the slow 110v charger and that's plenty for me. Most days I don't even go anywhere or drive maybe less than 5 miles.

That being said I have taken it to NC a couple of times and I don't mind it at all. We usually go in the Cayenne and it pretty much takes us 12 hours unless we get some crazy traffic. In the Tesla also takes about 12 hours. We stop regardless especially traveling with 2 dogs.

Once up there it's more of a pain because I have a detached garage with no power and closest supercharger is 30 min away. So if I was there all the time I would probably skip the EV or more likely just have power ran to the garage (which I may do anyways).

Originally Posted by swagon

Well, I've got an F80 alongside a diesel G21 and I also don't really crave an G80 or the new C 63. I've driven all kinds of G8x cars and they've left me cold... so I kind of understand. Zero desire.

But, for me, still BEV = daily commuter only

Most of my driving is daily commuting around town in traffic. I would HATE to drive my miata for most of my everyday driving. I see it as the right tool for the job. Day to day driving I think EV is the best tool for me. Just like I have a truck to tow my RV because that's the best tool for that and the miata is the best tool for having fun on mountain roads.

Originally Posted by M5Rick

You know I never even thought of that side, holy s#it you can count me out of ever getting into an EV, No thanks.

Daaaamn... so guaranteed death by burning alive you were on the fence about... but a little EMF is just too risky huh?

[Ugly Kar]

This is a CEO who definitely shoulda been fired. Ivy league MBA probably with the common sense of roadkill.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...fa638da7&ei=12

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by RM7

Paranoid much? A hyundai EV ran with us all day at autoX last weekend.

Please don't talk on things you know nothing about.

Read the first comment and you can watch people measure it on Youtube. I have a Trifield meter I bought ($2XX on Amazon) and you would be BLOWN away at what you can find.

Microwaves, despite being advertised as safe, blast RF, Smart meters are basically off the charts. Even cell phones are unsafe, yet people put them in their pockets without a thought.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Please don't talk on things you know nothing about.

Read the first comment and you can watch people measure it on Youtube. I have a Trifield meter I bought ($2XX on Amazon) and you would be BLOWN away at what you can find.

Microwaves, despite being advertised as safe, blast RF, Smart meters are basically off the charts. Even cell phones are unsafe, yet people put them in their pockets without a thought.

Oh, wow, thank you Dr. Youtube for posting some diarrhea from the interwebs. Now, do you have any actual proof?

[gblansten]

This thread is deeply amusing as an exposition for those amongst us who suffer from crippling fears and anxieties.

And yet, generalized anxiety disorder is very treatable. There is no reason for so many of you to stay so brutally fearful.

Life is good.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by RM7

Oh, wow, thank you Dr. Youtube for posting some diarrhea from the interwebs. Now, do you have any actual proof?

I think it's time we check AmuroRay's freezer for human heads. He's gone off the deep end, possibly worse than Weather Man and Car-Addicted.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

You're sad, talking about the elitest imposing regulation that will lead to significant degradation in quality of life for those without wealth is being fearful. The same guy 10 years from now wondering why everything went to shit.

I'm feeling happy.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by gblansten

This thread is deeply amusing as an exposition for those amongst us who suffer from crippling fears and anxieties.

And yet, generalized anxiety disorder is very treatable. There is no reason for so many of you to stay so brutally fearful.

Life is good.

Agreed and this is the bane of social media and the like. People are easily influenced and many lack the ability to "trust but verify" when it comes to believing what they hear and see.

Also, I've always found it amusing that those touting these strange and obscure concerns like cell phone and EV EMF/radiation and such voluntarily do unhealthy things like eat junk, are overweight, and consume known cancer-causing foods, alcohol, take drugs that have known serious side effects, don't exercise, etc. EMFs and such are nothing compared to the overall lifestyle you choose to live.