[M5Rick]

Had to put this on as I thought I'd seen it all but an 11 YO schoolboy yes you heard that right was threatening police with a knife,known as 'blades' in the criminal community, and filming it all on social media via his mobile phone at the same until officers were forced to taser him for his and their own safety and there were no reported serious injuries after.
Interested on how this would compare with action taken in US.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iday-park.html

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Had to put this on as I thought I'd seen it all but an 11 YO schoolboy yes you heard that right was threatening police with a knife,known as 'blades' in the criminal community, and filming it all on social media via his mobile phone at the same until officers were forced to taser him for his and their own safety and there were no reported serious injuries after.
Interested on how this would compare with action taken in US.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iday-park.html

Here in the U.S., “Blades” would’ve been known as “Heater” and he would’ve had a 9mm handgun. He would’ve been shot after pointing the gun at law enforcement and it would’ve been the cop’s fault. The media would’ve paraded around photos of “Heater” in the 5th grade with slacks and a bow tie, and exclaimed how he was an Honor Roll student and didn’t deserve his fate.

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Here in the U.S., “Blades” would’ve been known as “Heater” and he would’ve had a 9mm handgun. He would’ve been shot after pointing the gun at law enforcement and it would’ve been the cop’s fault. The media would’ve paraded around photos of “Heater” in the 5th grade with slacks and a bow tie, and exclaimed how he was an Honor Roll student and didn’t deserve his fate.

You got it. As a cop you are supposed to wait until the perp actually shoots or stabs you before reacting with any force. And then you should shoot the gun out of his hand. . /sarcasm

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Had to put this on as I thought I'd seen it all but an 11 YO schoolboy yes you heard that right was threatening police with a knife,known as 'blades' in the criminal community, and filming it all on social media via his mobile phone at the same until officers were forced to taser him for his and their own safety and there were no reported serious injuries after.
Interested on how this would compare with action taken in US.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iday-park.html

See! Told ya! “Heater” doing his thing, only he decided to grab a rifle instead of the hypothetical 9mm.

https://kfiam640.iheart.com/content/...urce=instagram

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

See! Told ya! “Heater” doing his thing, only he decided to grab a rifle instead of the hypothetical 9mm.

https://kfiam640.iheart.com/content/...urce=instagram

Aha right, it's unclear over here where such a young lad suspected of murder would be held should something like this happen here, borstal type prisons for youths don't exist any more and are called 'youth detention centres' so probably a separate part of any prison specially for very young killers.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Aha right, it's unclear over here where such a young lad suspected of murder would be held should something like this happen here, borstal type prisons for youths don't exist any more and are called 'youth detention centres' so probably a separate part of any prison specially for very young killers.

It gets murky here, but juveniles can’t be housed with adults, so we use the youth detention centers or clear out a portion of the jails to house a juvenile.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It gets murky here, but juveniles can’t be housed with adults, so we use the youth detention centers or clear out a portion of the jails to house a juvenile.

Naturally and the killer probably even away from the 'run of the mill' juveniles who've committed lesser crimes.

[Murf the Surf]

Don't know if this is the right thing to post here but I got it on a Police Forum I'm on and thought it was interesting. Except for some of the case law the sentiment is accurate for police officers who work in western democracies. It does a good job of summing up the complexities of police work.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Don't know if this is the right thing to post here but I got it on a Police Forum I'm on and thought it was interesting. Except for some of the case law the sentiment is accurate for police officers who work in western democracies. It does a good job of summing up the complexities of police work.

That was a good video.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

That was a good video.

Yes it was brother. Play safe.

[UncleWede]

If the white car makes a left in front of the brown car and as a result of that collision only the brown car hits my parked truck with just over 2000 miles and only two payments made, do I go after white or brown insurance?

White car doesn’t seem to be a listed driver on insurance. Brown car is unlicensed

Yeah, that’s why I have uninsured coverage

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

If the white car makes a left in front of the brown car and as a result of that collision only the brown car hits my parked truck with just over 2000 miles and only two payments made, do I go after white or brown insurance?

White car doesn’t seem to be a listed driver on insurance. Brown car is unlicensed

Yeah, that’s why I have uninsured coverage

That sucks.

[vreihen16]

Were any tickets issued? Who did the police report say was at fault, if anybody?

If the damage is under $10K, I vote that you take it to "Judy Justice." I believe that the show still pays all judgements, and a lot of her cases are about uninsured motorists or unlicensed drivers. Funny to watch her yell at defendants because "their insurance just lapsed the day of the accident" or they deny giving an unauthorized driver permission to drive their car.

My best suggestion to everyone is to max out your uninsured motorist coverage, since it pays YOU for damages caused by these negligent vehicle owners.....

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

If the white car makes a left in front of the brown car and as a result of that collision only the brown car hits my parked truck with just over 2000 miles and only two payments made, do I go after white or brown insurance?

White car doesn’t seem to be a listed driver on insurance. Brown car is unlicensed

Yeah, that’s why I have uninsured coverage

You would go after the insurance coverage of the brown car. While the actions of the operator of the white car predicated the collision between the brown car and your parked/unoccupied vehicle, the operator of the brown car collided into your truck. The driver/operator of the white car was just an associated factor in the crash. Being unlicensed won’t affect your insurance company’s ability to ascertain coverage (…assuming the driver/operator of the brown car had full coverage).

[Watching The World Burn]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

If the white car makes a left in front of the brown car and as a result of that collision only the brown car hits my parked truck with just over 2000 miles and only two payments made, do I go after white or brown insurance?

White car doesn’t seem to be a listed driver on insurance. Brown car is unlicensed

Yeah, that’s why I have uninsured coverage

Sorry, just back it up a second so I understand.

You got hit by a driver who is unlicensed - does that mean uninsured? And the other driver isn't on the insurance, so presumably you can't go after him.

And there are no consequences? Nobody goes to jail? The other parties just look at you and say "Well...that's too bad, guess you are SOL"? No consequences at all?

So you have to pay extra for insurance to cover the actions of other people who then don't reap any repurcussions for their actions?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Watching The World Burn

Sorry, just back it up a second so I understand.

You got hit by a driver who is unlicensed - does that mean uninsured? And the other driver isn't on the insurance, so presumably you can't go after him.

And there are no consequences? Nobody goes to jail? The other parties just look at you and say "Well...that's too bad, guess you are SOL"? No consequences at all?

So you have to pay extra for insurance to cover the actions of other people who then don't reap any repurcussions for their actions?

Unlicensed and uninsured are two different things. Just because a driver isn’t on the insurance doesn’t mean you can’t go after the policy.

As for the consequences, California reduced driving unlicensed to simply an infraction rather than a misdemeanor as of January 1st, 2023. Even before that it wouldn’t have resulted in jail time. You see a reduction in consequences everywhere, not just California. Blue cities/states are considering making current crimes such as car jacking no longer a crime. We live in a clown world.

[vreihen16]

Welcome to 2023, where most accidents are written as no-fault (max out your no-fault and PIP coverage as well!), people are not held accountable for their negligent actions, and insurance companies refuse to pay out if their insured's vehicle was being driven by an unlicensed or suspended driver.....

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Just because a driver isn’t on the insurance doesn’t mean you can’t go after the policy.

^ This.

My brother was hit and killed by a drunk driver while crossing a street in Colorado.

The driver wasn't on the vehicle's policy, and the insurance company sent a $100K check out the following week. I've assumed either Lakewood PD or the owner had notified the insurer, it reviewed the police report of the incident, and the check was cut the next day. I was grateful I didn't have to fool with that on top of everything else that had to be handled.

FWIW, the driver blew .32 five hours after being taken-in. One of my brother's friends was an ER RN, and I asked her how such a circumstance was possible. I guess ER professionals see just about everything, as she replied with something along the lines of: "We regularly see people who are beyond blind drunk, yet they're still capable of navigating the world – up until the point where they're not."

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dradernh

^ This.

My brother was hit and killed by a drunk driver while crossing a street in Colorado.

The driver wasn't on the vehicle's policy, and the insurance company sent a $100K check out the following week. I've assumed either Lakewood PD or the owner had notified the insurer, it reviewed the police report of the incident, and the check was cut the next day. I was grateful I didn't have to fool with that on top of everything else that had to be handled.

FWIW, the driver blew .32 five hours after being taken-in. One of my brother's friends was an ER RN, and I asked her how such a circumstance was possible. I guess ER professionals see just about everything, as she replied with something along the lines of: "We regularly see people who are beyond blind drunk, yet they're still capable of navigating the world – up until the point where they're not."

I’m sorry to hear about your brother. My condolences!

I, too, have seen people with crazy high BAC’s and wondered how/why they weren’t dead from alcohol poisoning.

[Esteban]

I just don't understand drinking and driving. I would never get behind the wheel, even drinking just a little bit. I want 100% of my senses and abilities when I drive. Even then you never know what might happen. No reason at all to take chances with your life or someone else's.

PS - oh, and I like to drink.

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I just don't understand drinking and driving. I would never get behind the wheel, even drinking just a little bit. I want 100% of my senses and abilities when I drive. Even then you never know what might happen. No reason at all to take chances with your life or someone else's.

PS - oh, and I like to drink.

A friend explained to me the progression of drunkenness. He told me there is a point where one goes from "I shouldn't/can't drive" to "I'm invincible!" I've not been in that position, but he has in a past life. The way he explained it to me was something I couldn't really understand.

[Esteban]

I meant to saydradernh, sorry about your brother.