[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

This !!!

Heart warming pic!
I'll be seeing what the reaction is from the newspapers here tomorrow

[RMachuca3d]

The only FAIR thing that could have been done, and was the obvious choice, would have been to throw out the red flag, this way they all get new rubber, no lapped cars, and possibly 2-3 laps to race it out.... but that did not guarantee RB the win, so they went with the alternate.

[F87source]

Funny no mercfia comments from the max fans, right because they were wrong about that like they were wrong about lewis's engine exploding.

and that'll be it for me, I don't want to bring that nonsense back up again.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Rewatched the conclusion of the race.

As suggested, lapped cars weren't remotely part of Merc's thinking or strategy. They fully expected cars to unlap themselves and VER to be immediately behind HAM on softs. Listen to lap 55 radio between Bono and HAM. Merc knowingly opted for track position but tire disadvantage and expected that fight with VER.

From Red Bull –

That even if all cars that had been lapped (eight in total, of which five were allowed to overtake the safety car) it would not have changed the outcome of the race.

3 more lapped cars through wouldn't have mattered. What is the counter-argument?

Sky Sports coverage of the initial directive to not allow lapped cars to unlap was totally flawed. Crofty and team presented it as a final ruling, in effect for the entirety of the race. Setting up the sense that Masi had changed his mind, made a political decision when they were then allowed through.

If the Sky team had been listening, when Horner radioed into Masi (lap 57) to question the lapped cars directive, Masi specifically said to "give me a second… my main big one is to get this incident clear." In other words, the lapped cars situation and race conclusion was developing, not final.

Also worth noting from the race director:

The race director stated that the purpose of article 48.12 was to remove those lapped cars that would "interfere" in the racing between the leaders and that in his view article 48.13 was the one that applied in this case.

The race director also stated that it had long been agreed by all the teams that where possible it was highly desirable for the race to end in a "green" condition (i.e. not under a Safety Car).


Article 15.3 allows the race director discretion on safety car deployment and withdrawal. With the incident cleared, track safe & ready to go, one lap to go for the WDC, there's absolutely no better time for the race director to utilize his discretion to tell the safety car to get the hell out of the way.

I think it was mentioned during the race that if all cars un-lapped the race would have finished - all laps would have been raced and that might tie in with what Toto was saying about taking the last lap (57) as the result. If you're watching it again, see if that was clearly mentioned. Clearly a lot happened in that sequence.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by F87source

Well thats a bit harsh...

You can say the same thing about Max if you want to apply the same logic, he was barely a 1 time champion if the FIA didn't gift the win to him, and he only won because of redbull being dominant this year...

Harsh but FUN

Redbull was only dominant for PART of the year. VER has never enjoyed the advantage HAM did with MB being completely dominant for ENTIRE seasons and years!

Did VER get lucky? Sure did but hammy's alway say luck favors the prepared

BTW, I'll never pick on Canadians again!!! Thanks Latifi!!!

[Artemis]

The tension and emotions when the drama unfolded in the final stage:

[3798j]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Heart warming pic!

Sure...
"It’s well known that Jos has had numerous sordid episodes involving violence.
In December 2008, Verstappen appeared in court in Tongeren charged with assaulting his wife Sophie Kumpen (mother of Max).
He got away with the assault charges, but was found guilty of threatening Kumpen in text messages and of violating a previously issued restraining order.
After a 1998 incident in a karting track, in which a man suffered a fractured skull, Verstappen and his father Frans were found guilty in court of assault. Each were sentenced to five-year suspended sentences after reaching an out-of-court settlement with the victim.
On 29 November 2011, media reported allegations that Verstappen had assaulted his ex-girlfriend.
De Telegraaf reported that the former Benetton and Minardi driver physically attacked his own father, Max’s grandfather Frans Verstappen."
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/04...er-his-mother/

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

I think it was mentioned during the race that if all cars un-lapped the race would have finished - all laps would have been raced and that might tie in with what Toto was saying about taking the last lap (57) as the result. If you're watching it again, see if that was clearly mentioned. Clearly a lot happened in that sequence.

From @andrewbensonf1 --

"Unless clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap." There was no lap in between

However, as cited by the race director, 15.3 --

"Article 15.3 allows the Race Director to control the use of the safety car, which in our determination includes its deployment and withdrawal.

Toto wanted that extra lap between the last lapped car passing the leader. The race director wanted to go racing and per the previous agreement of the teams, achieve the "highly desirable" outcome of a green flag conclusion, i.e., not under a safety car.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Harsh but FUN

Redbull was only dominant for PART of the year. VER has never enjoyed the advantage HAM did with MB being completely dominant for ENTIRE seasons and years!

Did VER get lucky? Sure did but hammy's alway say luck favors the prepared

BTW, I'll never pick on Canadians again!!! Thanks Latifi!!!

Nerither did Lewis in his first championship, it was all close down to the wire battles.

In terms of luck it is a safety car, or weather etc. This was Masi deciding who won lol. At the end of the day IDC it just speeds things up to me seeing what the 2022 cars look like.

BTW It's Goatifi and don't you forget about it!

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Sure...
"It’s well known that Jos has had numerous sordid episodes involving violence.
In December 2008, Verstappen appeared in court in Tongeren charged with assaulting his wife Sophie Kumpen (mother of Max).
He got away with the assault charges, but was found guilty of threatening Kumpen in text messages and of violating a previously issued restraining order.
After a 1998 incident in a karting track, in which a man suffered a fractured skull, Verstappen and his father Frans were found guilty in court of assault. Each were sentenced to five-year suspended sentences after reaching an out-of-court settlement with the victim.
On 29 November 2011, media reported allegations that Verstappen had assaulted his ex-girlfriend.
De Telegraaf reported that the former Benetton and Minardi driver physically attacked his own father, Max’s grandfather Frans Verstappen."
https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/04...er-his-mother/

So now hammy's are resorting to diversion

VER's WDC is turning into the best early Christmas present ever

[5.M0NSTER]

Congrats to Max. I hate the guy for being a total dick, but he worked hard this season, and he deserves his first WDC win. Now 6 more, and he can be considered on par with Sir Lewis.

[3798j]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

So now hammy's are resorting to diversion

No Hamilton fan here. A photo of Jos being described as "touching" deserved an explanation.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by F87source

Nerither did Lewis in his first championship, it was all close down to the wire battles.

BTW It's Goatifi and don't you forget about it!

1. That's why I call HAM "One Time" cause that's the only title he earned.

2. Goatifi doesn't bother me, I'm not a Redbull or VER fan...I'll take anybody that beats scHAM

Now, like you, I'm interested in who gets the 2022 car right. Testing will be interesting I hope!!!!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

So now hammy's are resorting to diversion

VER's WDC is turning into the best early Christmas present ever

Well wrapped up I would say!

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by 3798j

No Hamilton fan here. A photo of Jos being described as "touching" deserved an explanation.

Not a Hammy fan? Didn't know that...

Maybe Jos isn't a great guy but that doesn't take away from loving his son.

Cheers all and good night!!!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Not a Hammy fan? Didn't know that...

Maybe Jos isn't a great guy but that doesn't take away from loving his son.

Cheers all and good night!!!

Same here too!

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

1. That's why I call HAM "One Time" cause that's the only title he earned.

2. Goatifi doesn't bother me, I'm not a Redbull or VER fan...I'll take anybody that beats scHAM

Now, like you, I'm interested in who gets the 2022 car right. Testing will be interesting I hope!!!!

Right so if redbull gives max a dominant car next year and he wipes the field then he's only a 1 time champion right?

I don't like that logic at all, just because the car is also dominant doesn't make the championship invalid.

[Artemis]

Verstappen onboard radio - finish:
Red Bull Pitwall: "Mate, the whole season, they're trying to bring you down. Oh yeah, the one piece of luck, one piece of luck."
Verstappen: "F**k them."

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by M2CS

Best season in a very long time ended worse than Game of Thrones. lol

Best comment, couldn't have said it better.

Just finished watching it, nobody cares about my opinion but I'm really glad it didn't get spoiled for me. My takes:

1. Lewis gained a massive advantage at the start of the race by cutting that chicane. Max was right on his bumper, then the chicane later he was over 1 second ahead and Max never had a chance at DRS. Lewis rightfully didn't need to hand back the position as Max divebombed that corner, but c'mon, they should have made Lewis at least give back a half second or something. He FLOORED it through the runoff.

2. Checo did a fantastic job getting Max back around 8 seconds through the course of a lap and a half. Absolutely fantastic work from him.

3. Hamilton was by FAR the faster driver today. Even if he'd been forced to give back some of his advantage gained through the chicane at the start, the point would have been moot as he was blowing the doors off RB all race.

4. My initial gut feeling at the outcome is Hamilton got screwed, royally screwed. I'm going to need to read more on the regulations etc., but that whole thing stunk to me and other than an intentional ramming by one of the drivers I cannot think of a worse way to end this thing. Sure it was incredibly exciting, but the stank of screwdom is in the air and I can't dismiss it.

5. I always wanted to Max to win, not because I'm a Lewis hater but just because this sport desperately needs parity. I believe Lewis showed during this race that he's still the best driver in the world, and while Max is fast is he's not quite there yet. I'm very interested to see how Hamilton responds next year, but if his illustrious past is anything to go by, he's going to be an absolute demon next year.

6. There is a lot of luck in motor racing, and had this all happened in the middle of the season I think we'd have all forgot about it. However, on the last lap, of the last race, with the guys 1-2 tied in points, it just stinks of something bad and I think it's shame.

Coulda woulda shoulda, but in the end congrats to Max our 2021 F1 Champion. We'll be back on track again before you know it, and I'm really looking forward to it with the new cars and their rollin' deep 18" rimz.

Happy Holidays all and take good care!

[F87source]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Coulda woulda shoulda, but in the end congrats to Max our 2021 F1 Champion. We'll be back on track again before you know it, and I'm really looking forward to it with the new cars and their rollin' deep rimz.

Happy Holidays all and take good care!

+1

[Bartledoo]

If I was Bottas, I would’ve been doing full on drifts warming my tires during that safety car…perhaps get lucky and crash to extend the safety car. Not much of a team player when it counted…

[wdb]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Best comment, couldn't have said it better.

Just finished watching it, nobody cares about my opinion but I'm really glad it didn't get spoiled for me. My takes:

1. Lewis gained a massive advantage at the start of the race by cutting that chicane. Max was right on his bumper, then the chicane later he was over 1 second ahead and Max never had a chance at DRS. Lewis rightfully didn't need to hand back the position as Max divebombed that corner, but c'mon, they should have made Lewis at least give back a half second or something. He FLOORED it through the runoff.

2. Checo did a fantastic job getting Max back around 8 seconds through the course of a lap and a half. Absolutely fantastic work from him.

3. Hamilton was by FAR the faster driver today. Even if he'd been forced to give back some of his advantage gained through the chicane at the start, the point would have been moot as he was blowing the doors off RB all race.

4. My initial gut feeling at the outcome is Hamilton got screwed, royally screwed. I'm going to need to read more on the regulations etc., but that whole thing stunk to me and other than an intentional ramming by one of the drivers I cannot think of a worse way to end this thing. Sure it was incredibly exciting, but the stank of screwdom is in the air and I can't dismiss it.

5. I always wanted to Max to win, not because I'm a Lewis hater but just because this sport desperately needs parity. I believe Lewis showed during this race that he's still the best driver in the world, and while Max is fast is he's not quite there yet. I'm very interested to see how Hamilton responds next year, but if his illustrious past is anything to go by, he's going to be an absolute demon next year.

6. There is a lot of luck in motor racing, and had this all happened in the middle of the season I think we'd have all forgot about it. However, on the last lap, of the last race, with the guys 1-2 tied in points, it just stinks of something bad and I think it's shame.

Coulda woulda shoulda, but in the end congrats to Max our 2021 F1 Champion. We'll be back on track again before you know it, and I'm really looking forward to it with the new cars and their rollin' deep 18" rimz.

Happy Holidays all and take good care!

Wow, unbiased commentary. Well said. I'd like to think that that the Verstappens will wake up in the morning and smell something that doesn't seem quite right. But I don't think they will. It was a tremendous season even so.