[SRod321]

Originally Posted by Shiza

Some cheap pos, getting replaced with a sig Romeo

I mounted the Romeo with the Juliet Magnifier, love the setup!

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by Organizedchaos

Any collectors in Mass? Have a 1992 Colt Sporter lightweight 6520 green label unfired I don't want.

I sent you a PM

[unluky]

Get this shit - just crossed the year mark waiting for my suppressor to be approved. Was hoping for it by deer season - which is the 12th. Me and my boss applied at the same time on the same day at the same place. Lets just say my youth record is better than his, so we joked his might take 5 years.

He gets a call yesterday - his is in. I was like WTF? So I told him when he went to pick it up - ask them about mine - they know us. They said "yeah when yours came in, we looked his up and it was approved 10-21 - five days before yours - and mailed. Never arrived so we called and BATF said "yeah, it happens.......if it does not arrive in 45 days we will reissue" and so we just have to wait till then."

My god I hate the post office right now.............#JusyMyLuck

[///d]

Originally Posted by unluky

Get this shit - just crossed the year mark waiting for my suppressor to be approved. Was hoping for it by deer season - which is the 12th. Me and my boss applied at the same time on the same day at the same place. Lets just say my youth record is better than his, so we joked his might take 5 years.

He gets a call yesterday - his is in. I was like WTF? So I told him when he went to pick it up - ask them about mine - they know us. They said "yeah when yours came in, we looked his up and it was approved 10-21 - five days before yours - and mailed. Never arrived so we called and BATF said "yeah, it happens.......if it does not arrive in 45 days we will reissue" and so we just have to wait till then."

My god I hate the post office right now.............#JusyMyLuck

I'm still waiting on my electronic submission approval from April. They bragged and bragged about a 90 day approval window that never happened. But I know I'm not the only one still waiting that electronically filed, so I guess that makes me feel a little better.

[Nuckle]

Originally Posted by ///d

I'm still waiting on my electronic submission approval from April. They bragged and bragged about a 90 day approval window that never happened. But I know I'm not the only one still waiting that electronically filed, so I guess that makes me feel a little better.

My efile was done in March and I am still waiting. Was also sold on the idea of 90 days. Hunting season will be here in 16 days. I have lost hope of hunting suppressed this year.

[unluky]

Originally Posted by ///d

I'm still waiting on my electronic submission approval from April. They bragged and bragged about a 90 day approval window that never happened. But I know I'm not the only one still waiting that electronically filed, so I guess that makes me feel a little better.

Shockingly - it showed up the next day. I figured it was lost for sure. 395 days from application to in my hands. Stupidest thing in the world.

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by unluky

Shockingly - it showed up the next day. I figured it was lost for sure. 395 days from application to in my hands. Stupidest thing in the world.

Yup. Crazy system. My first foray into NFA was on 9/6/2001. Yup. A week before 9/11. And of course part of buying was getting an FBI background check. Well they were kinda busy for a while due to the attack. It took 18 months for me to actually receive my property.

I also read a story about a guy who purchased an NFA weapon, and while it was in possession of the FFL, the FFL went under. His property was never delivered to him and his bill of sale meant nothing to the US government. But that's another story.

[Watching The World Burn]

Originally Posted by unluky

Shockingly - it showed up the next day. I figured it was lost for sure. 395 days from application to in my hands. Stupidest thing in the world.

Quit whining. Clearly, the stupidest thing in the world is not being able to get one. At least that's not you. So think of all Canadians and realize you're better off from that perspective at least.

TBH though, I wouldn't want the same second amendment right in Canada anyways, I think it has led to a lot of problems, one that is now extremely difficult to do anything about effectively, given it has reached basically critical mass.

What I would like to see in Canada, is it be a lot more difficult to obtain a firearm's license, with a lot more focus on safety, but if you pass, a lot less restriction on what you can and can not do. Suppressors for one. I would very much like to have one. I'd like a lot of the platforms you guys have to be available here too. I'd like to be able to carry a pistol if I wanted to if I go hunting as a backup. I don't really want to have to go from home to gun range directly and then right back with no stops along a direct route if I wish to shoot my pistol. Etc.

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by Watching The World Burn

Quit whining. Clearly, the stupidest thing in the world is not being able to get one. At least that's not you. So think of all Canadians and realize you're better off from that perspective at least.

TBH though, I wouldn't want the same second amendment right in Canada anyways, I think it has led to a lot of problems, one that is now extremely difficult to do anything about effectively, given it has reached basically critical mass.

What I would like to see in Canada, is it be a lot more difficult to obtain a firearm's license, with a lot more focus on safety, but if you pass, a lot less restriction on what you can and can not do. Suppressors for one. I would very much like to have one. I'd like a lot of the platforms you guys have to be available here too. I'd like to be able to carry a pistol if I wanted to if I go hunting as a backup. I don't really want to have to go from home to gun range directly and then right back with no stops along a direct route if I wish to shoot my pistol. Etc.

Kind of a weird post. First you castigate someone for whining about a massive delay to exercise a right that you don't even have and want, then you wouldn't want the 2nd A in Canada anyway. Then complain about the strict stupid laws preventing you from carrying a handgun.

Seriously. The 2nd A is WHY we don't have as many stupid laws as Canada. And it isn't the reason for any problems we have in the USA.

[Watching The World Burn]

Originally Posted by jamesinaz

Kind of a weird post. First you castigate someone for whining about a massive delay to exercise a right that you don't even have and want, then you wouldn't want the 2nd A in Canada anyway. Then complain about the strict stupid laws preventing you from carrying a handgun.

Seriously. The 2nd A is WHY we don't have as many stupid laws as Canada. And it isn't the reason for any problems we have in the USA.

Ok, the "quit whining" part was more tongue in cheek than anything else, I thought my jealousy at the suppressor option was going to make that obvious, but perhaps not. Its easy to assume your point will be taken in the way you thought you wrote it, but it isn't necessarily so. No castigation meant.

But to your second point I don't believe I said it is the reason for any of the problems you have, but I think it has LED to a number of the problems you have. A firearm in and of itself is nothing more than some materials constructed together to serve a purpose and it is not dangerous unless it is misused. Same thing for vehicles, etc.

But the various socioeconomic factors present in the States (of which they also exist up here, partially to a smaller degree given a lower population) coupled with the easy availability to obtain a firearm (2A) when you want to do something about it vs the potentially more difficult options (vehicles say) is why I think it has LED to a lot of the problems.

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by Watching The World Burn

Ok, the "quit whining" part was more tongue in cheek than anything else, I thought my jealousy at the suppressor option was going to make that obvious, but perhaps not. Its easy to assume your point will be taken in the way you thought you wrote it, but it isn't necessarily so. No castigation meant.

But to your second point I don't believe I said it is the reason for any of the problems you have, but I think it has LED to a number of the problems you have. A firearm in and of itself is nothing more than some materials constructed together to serve a purpose and it is not dangerous unless it is misused. Same thing for vehicles, etc.

But the various socioeconomic factors present in the States (of which they also exist up here, partially to a smaller degree given a lower population) coupled with the easy availability to obtain a firearm (2A) when you want to do something about it vs the potentially more difficult options (vehicles say) is why I think it has LED to a lot of the problems.

OK. My back is killing me and I'm a bit fiesty.

Look I think the 2nd hasn't changed anything, and I get a bit sensitive when a non US citizen opines on the subject. We have problems no doubt. But IMO our murder rate would be unchanged if we adopted the same laws as the UK or Canada. In fact I believe it would worsen as the criminals will not give up their guns. The innocents would suffer more.

[Watching The World Burn]

Originally Posted by jamesinaz

OK. My back is killing me and I'm a bit fiesty.

Look I think the 2nd hasn't changed anything, and I get a bit sensitive when a non US citizen opines on the subject. We have problems no doubt. But IMO our murder rate would be unchanged if we adopted the same laws as the UK or Canada. In fact I believe it would worsen as the criminals will not give up their guns. The innocents would suffer more.

All good, I understand both the physical pain aspect and the sensitivity to outsiders opining on something they don't live in on a day to day basis, and just reacting as a result, I've reacted the same many times. Plus, I have back pain myself, so I truly feel you on that one, though currently it has been pretty minimal.

I do agree with you that you adopting same laws as us wouldn't do a thing, as I mentioned before, its basically critical mass, and the only people that will be affected by a new law would be those who are law abiding in the first place. Its why Trudeau's penchant for outlawing certain guns (meanwhile getting rid of minimum sentences for gun crimes) drives me a little crazy - it doesn't do anything except make things more difficult on people who were already following the law in the first place and imposing less penalties on people who are actually CRIMINALS.

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by Watching The World Burn

All good, I understand both the physical pain aspect and the sensitivity to outsiders opining on something they don't live in on a day to day basis, and just reacting as a result, I've reacted the same many times. Plus, I have back pain myself, so I truly feel you on that one, though currently it has been pretty minimal.

I do agree with you that you adopting same laws as us wouldn't do a thing, as I mentioned before, its basically critical mass, and the only people that will be affected by a new law would be those who are law abiding in the first place. Its why Trudeau's penchant for outlawing certain guns (meanwhile getting rid of minimum sentences for gun crimes) drives me a little crazy - it doesn't do anything except make things more difficult on people who were already following the law in the first place and imposing less penalties on people who are actually CRIMINALS.

It's all good. Has there ever been any studies done in Canada from before and after more stringent laws were passed? I know in the USA with the 200 million firearms we already have it's a waste of time just wonder if it helped up there.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by Watching The World Burn

Its why Trudeau's penchant for outlawing certain guns (meanwhile getting rid of minimum sentences for gun crimes) drives me a little crazy - it doesn't do anything except make things more difficult on people who were already following the law in the first place and imposing less penalties on people who are actually CRIMINALS.

This happens everywhere which is what is so bat shit insane. Take away the ability or make it very hard and expensive to legally own firearms. Why? Legal firearm owners are NOT the issue. NEVER have been. It is the criminals and what blows my fucking mind is politicians never can get through their fucking brain that criminals BREAK laws, not abide by them.

2.3% of guns used in violent crime come from retail sources. Source and Use of Firearms Involved in Crimes: Survey of Prison Inmates, Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2016

Fucking idiots.

[Watching The World Burn]

Originally Posted by jamesinaz

It's all good. Has there ever been any studies done in Canada from before and after more stringent laws were passed? I know in the USA with the 200 million firearms we already have it's a waste of time just wonder if it helped up there.

I'm not aware of any off hand, though I suppose certain studies were done which resulted in them deciding the long gun registry was a waste of resources....at least the Conservatives thought so and got rid of it. Good old Liberals have essentially brought it back in recently though. Fricking tards.

Going to try to go pheasant hunting tomorrow. If I'm shooting at them, they'll live. If the guy I'm going with is shooting at them, we'll have pheasant to take home.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by Watching The World Burn

I'm not aware of any off hand, though I suppose certain studies were done which resulted in them deciding the long gun registry was a waste of resources....at least the Conservatives thought so and got rid of it. Good old Liberals have essentially brought it back in recently though. Fricking tards.

Going to try to go pheasant hunting tomorrow. If I'm shooting at them, they'll live. If the guy I'm going with is shooting at them, we'll have pheasant to take home.

I don't think this website has the study you are looking for but they have great details on firearms and cite all of their sources: https://www.gunfacts.info/research/c...s-and-control/

[nyalpine90]

input appreciated
where i live, its legal to own a shotgun without a permit/license.
if i do go ahead, it will only be for home defense. I will eventually get license for handgun.
take required courses as need.
now im looking into purchasing one, 12 guage . IWI Tavor TS12

[Shiza]

Originally Posted by nyalpine90

input appreciated
where i live, its legal to own a shotgun without a permit/license.
if i do go ahead, it will only be for home defense. I will eventually get license for handgun.
take required courses as need.
now im looking into purchasing one, 12 guage . IWI Tavor TS12

If you're looking for recommendations for a home defense shotgun I'd go with a Benelli M4 every time.

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by nyalpine90

input appreciated
where i live, its legal to own a shotgun without a permit/license.
if i do go ahead, it will only be for home defense. I will eventually get license for handgun.
take required courses as need.
now im looking into purchasing one, 12 guage . IWI Tavor TS12

Originally Posted by Shiza

If you're looking for recommendations for a home defense shotgun I'd go with a Benelli M4 every time.

I would agree with the M4, over the TS12.

If those were the two options for an HD shot gun, M4 every time.

I have both, I have not taken the TS12 to the range yet. My understanding is that the TS12 is a little more particular with the ammo that it likes, the M4 with its gas system has less trouble with that.

The M4 has very straight forward controls, the TS12 you would have to train with a bit more. Which brings me to the real reason that the M4 is the better choice. Training with your gun. In urban and suburban areas it is difficult to train/practice with a HD shot gun. There are often gun clubs and ranges where you can shoot clays, but HD shot guns are often not allowed. You have go to a rifle range to pattern a shotgun, but thats not really going to get you used to your HD shotgun, or even get it broken in.

Get something that you will learn how to use in the dark. In my experience HD shotguns are the least fired of all of my guns. I keep a handgun in a safe by the bed, mainly for safe storage with kids running around, a shotgun is most definitely a superior HD weapon.

[///d]

Originally Posted by KenB925

I would agree with the M4, over the TS12.

If those were the two options for an HD shot gun, M4 every time.

I have both, I have not taken the TS12 to the range yet. My understanding is that the TS12 is a little more particular with the ammo that it likes, the M4 with its gas system has less trouble with that.

The M4 has very straight forward controls, the TS12 you would have to train with a bit more. Which brings me to the real reason that the M4 is the better choice. Training with your gun. In urban and suburban areas it is difficult to train/practice with a HD shot gun. There are often gun clubs and ranges where you can shoot clays, but HD shot guns are often not allowed. You have go to a rifle range to pattern a shotgun, but thats not really going to get you used to your HD shotgun, or even get it broken in.

Get something that you will learn how to use in the dark. In my experience HD shotguns are the least fired of all of my guns. I keep a handgun in a safe by the bed, mainly for safe storage with kids running around, a shotgun is most definitely a superior HD weapon.

I third for the M4.

My experience with bullpups is they get hot really fast. Now thats likely not going to be an issue if its strictly a home defense shotgun because you wont be continuously firing it, but if you plan to range shoot it will be an issue. It has steered me away from wanting a bullpup all together.

[Watching The World Burn]

Went pheasant hunting yesterday (first time hunting). Flushed one, pointed, pulled and "click". Not boom...click. I looked at the other guy and said I was 95% certain I had put one in the action and two in the tube and he said he watched me do that and agreed.

So I 100% verified I put one in the action, two in the tube, fully racked and we flushed another one. Again "click"...not boom. Pumped it, pulled the trigger, then boom.

WTF? Is this firing pin related? I don't think so, because we did it again, and it wouldn't fire the first (tried different ammo) but would fire the second. Its a Benelli supernova.

The click is super frustrating to hear btw when you are tracking the bird. We wound up switching guns and I got a pheasant later.

[chris_1001]

I prefer my Benelli M2 over the M4.