[MediaArtist]

The GTR driver will definitely do some time for hit-and-run, and had he stayed he probably would not have done any time (as long as he wasn't drinking or smoking pot or something).

But damn, that old coot was an idiot for leisurely riding his bike into the street on a green light. It's fucking LA, has he only lived here for 2 weeks or something? The people here drive like they have a match under their ass 24/7, even the Dodge mini-van soccer moms.

[schoy]

Hit and run in CA is a misdemeanor offense, punishable up to 1 year in jail and/or a fine up to $10K (CA Vehicle Code 20000 et seq.). If the hit and run resulted in a death or bodily injury (as in this case), there's a number of Good Samaritan and reporting requirements as well, which the driver here obviously failed to do, so there may be multiple charges for each failure.

Assuming the driver didn't break any other laws (running red, speeding, DUI, etc.), don't think any of the homicide charges would stick (even manslaughter).

[asdflkijd]

Originally Posted by Inspired

I don't see why the police are even looking for the driver to begin with? In case he might be driving under the influence? I know it is the law to stay after the accident but the video showed that the GTR did nothing wrong. It was his green and the car on the left was blocking his vision and was unable to see the bicycle coming.

At the end of the day, it's just a unfortunate that the old man had to run the red. But even if the police came, they would have released him immediately because of the video evidence (speaking that he has a valid drive license, insurance and not under the influence).

You're an idiot. I hope something like this happens to you and hope you still feel the same way.

[asdflkijd]

Originally Posted by schoy

Hit and run in CA is a misdemeanor offense, punishable up to 1 year in jail and/or a fine up to $10K (CA Vehicle Code 20000 et seq.). If the hit and run resulted in a death or bodily injury (as in this case), there's a number of Good Samaritan and reporting requirements as well, which the driver here obviously failed to do, so there may be multiple charges for each failure.

Assuming the driver didn't break any other laws (running red, speeding, DUI, etc.), don't think any of the homicide charges would stick (even manslaughter).

You can actually get a ticket for accelerating too quick from a stop, I'm sure the GTR driver is able to afford a good lawyer so unfortunately, he'll probably get off the hook.

[kits135i]

Originally Posted by asdflkijd

You can actually get a ticket for accelerating too quick from a stop, I'm sure the GTR driver is able to afford a good lawyer so unfortunately, he'll probably get off the hook.

That would be excessive show of power. However, from the video, I do not see the GTR taking off that quickly to be excessive show of power.

[kits135i]

Originally Posted by asdflkijd

You're an idiot. I hope something like this happens to you and hope you still feel the same way.

How the hell is he an idiot? Why does he deserve this to happen to him? He is right to a point. If he would have stayed he would not be liable for what happened.

[Templar]

Originally Posted by kits135i

How the hell is he an idiot? Why does he deserve this to happen to him? He is right to a point. If he would have stayed he would not be liable for what happened.

That doesn't give him the green light to leave the scene like he did, though...

[KwlAznKid]

so... the guy get caught or not?

[Kwando]

Sounds like the suspect is still at large, surprisingly.

[infinitekidM2C]

he's probably back in Seoul already

[asdflkijd]

Originally Posted by kits135i

How the hell is he an idiot? Why does he deserve this to happen to him? He is right to a point. If he would have stayed he would not be liable for what happened.

But did he? That's what I thought.

[kthankzbye]

Leaving the scene is a crime. If nobody was killed. The punishment is not as bad.

I got into a head on collisions in my X5. The Lincoln navigator tried to drive off but his wheel came off. He fled the scene by foot and left his car. Obviously, he was drunk or why else would he have ran away.

They found him and we went to court and all he got was a criminal record, and a few months of probation. I was hurt but not enough for him to go to jail.

People are really stupid sometimes.

[happos2]

Originally Posted by kits135i

How the hell is he an idiot? Why does he deserve this to happen to him? He is right to a point. If he would have stayed he would not be liable for what happened.

His car, him driving. He is liable. Just because you are liable, doesn't mean you get charged with a crime. If he would have stayed, with the evidence made public, he would likely not have gotten any punishment.

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

Nope, manslaughter will be the charge, only a murder charge needs intent. The charges will probably be vehicular manslaughter, and leaving the scene of an accident. By the time he is caught direct DUI charges will be probably impossible, but they'll tag more on for sure.

As for vehicular manslaughter, I don't think that applies here since the GTR owner was in the right. The crime is leaving the seen, not actually hitting the bicyclist. However, I agree with you on the difference between murder and manslaughter.

[kits135i]

Originally Posted by happos2

His car, him driving. He is liable. Just because you are liable, doesn't mean you get charged with a crime. If he would have stayed, with the evidence made public, he would likely not have gotten any punishment.





As for vehicular manslaughter, I don't think that applies here since the GTR owner was in the right. The crime is leaving the seen, not actually hitting the bicyclist. However, I agree with you on the difference between murder and manslaughter.

I think you did not read the text to that reply. My post was because the previous post said, He wished someone would die because he felt the police probably was not looking hard for the guy who fled. You should never wish death on anyone. Especially due to an opinion.

[schoy]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

It applies to him now since he didn't stop. Any DA worth their salt will tack that on in addition to a 'leaving the scene of an accident' charge. The question will be if he gets convicted of this or not. But I have no doubt that he will be charged with manslaughter.

And any defense attorney worth their salt will get that charge dismissed, unless the DA can prove without a reasonable doubt that the failure to render aid per the hit-and-run law caused the bicyclist to die.

[e92zero]

This is just really sad. May the biker RIP. I think the GTR is in some serious trouble here. I don't think he is in the right in any way. Green light just mean you can proceed when it's safe, if there are cars or other pedestrian in the intersection, you cannot just ram them because you have a green light. Subjects that are already in the intersection has the right of way to finish crossing the intersection. I believe this is in the DMV handbook. The biker given his old age probably didn't run the red light himself either, it might just be taking him a bit longer to finish crossing the intersection. He could very well entered the intersection before the light even turns yellow. Just my 2 cents. I hope that GTR driver get caught and serve some serious punishment. That is so wrong.

[sanf]

Originally Posted by e92zero

This is just really sad. May the biker RIP. I think the GTR is in some serious trouble here. I don't think he is in the right in any way. Green light just mean you can proceed when it's safe, if there are cars or other pedestrian in the intersection, you cannot just ram them because you have a green light. Subjects that are already in the intersection has the right of way to finish crossing the intersection. I believe this is in the DMV handbook. The biker given his old age probably didn't run the red light himself either, it might just be taking him a bit longer to finish crossing the intersection. He could very well entered the intersection before the light even turns yellow. Just my 2 cents. I hope that GTR driver get caught and serve some serious punishment. That is so wrong.

I don't think the GTR driver ram down the old man on purpose just because he had a green light ......

[schoy]

Originally Posted by e92zero

This is just really sad. May the biker RIP. I think the GTR is in some serious trouble here. I don't think he is in the right in any way. Green light just mean you can proceed when it's safe, if there are cars or other pedestrian in the intersection, you cannot just ram them because you have a green light. Subjects that are already in the intersection has the right of way to finish crossing the intersection. I believe this is in the DMV handbook. The biker given his old age probably didn't run the red light himself either, it might just be taking him a bit longer to finish crossing the intersection. He could very well entered the intersection before the light even turns yellow. Just my 2 cents. I hope that GTR driver get caught and serve some serious punishment. That is so wrong.

You can see that the biker wasn't going THAT slow. Given the pace of the biker, and the fact that he didn't make it to the other side before the light turned green, it would seem that the biker proceeded to cross the intersection when the walk signal was flashing red.

Also, millions of cars every day (legally) go through green-light intersections without pausing or stopping. I don't think we want to set the precedent that cars should pause or stop at green lights to check for pedestrians.

At the point of impact, this looks to be an accident (i.e. convergence of bad facts). Obviously, the hit-and-run afterwards is a crime in and of itself ...

[MediaArtist]

Honestly, I hope the guy doesn't get caught.

Why should his life be ruined because some old koot decided he was invincible and rode out into the street when he did not have the right of way?

I understand the boy racers drive dangerously, and they're annoying, but this old man was clearly in the wrong when it came to right-of-way.

[kits135i]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

The fact that and why he left will play a huge role. If the driver was under the influence it will be manslaughter, regardless if it was the biker's fault.

BULL SHIT!!! Show me the law and state this crap would stand. IT WAS NOT HIT FAULT PERIOD!!!

[KingOfJericho]

If the guy on the bike was uninjured, would you guys feel the same way? The bottom line is that the accident and the resulting injuries were not caused by the guy in the GTR, they were caused by the guy on the bicycle failing to follow traffic laws. Manslaughter might apply if the driver was wasted and crashed into him because of his intoxication but we can't prove that this was the case. He could have been charged with DUI when the police showed up but that would not be connected to the accident with the bike as it was not the cause of the crash.

Think about it this way... if the bike guy wandered onto a well-signed construction site and moved into the way of an excavator which killed him and the operator then ran away, would bike-guy's death be on the hands of the excavator operator? I think not. Bike-guy broke the law and was involved in an accident because of it. The actions of the driver after the accident were terrible, but they also didn't cause his death and are therefore not manslaughter.

[e92zero]

Originally Posted by sanf

I don't think the GTR driver ram down the old man on purpose just because he had a green light ......

I wasn't implying the driver in the GTR ram the old man on purpose. I am trying to say that one cannot just go because you have a green light to those that said the GTR driver did nothing wrong because he has a green light.

Originally Posted by schoy

You can see that the biker wasn't going THAT slow. Given the pace of the biker, and the fact that he didn't make it to the other side before the light turned green, it would seem that the biker proceeded to cross the intersection when the walk signal was flashing red.

Also, millions of cars every day (legally) go through green-light intersections without pausing or stopping. I don't think we want to set the precedent that cars should pause or stop at green lights to check for pedestrians.

At the point of impact, this looks to be an accident (i.e. convergence of bad facts). Obviously, the hit-and-run afterwards is a crime in and of itself ...

I don't think the argument is the same when the light has been green already because that mean the pedestrians jay walked or the other vehicles ran a red light completely. The burden is on the pedestrians in that case. The point that I am trying to make here is that the light just turn green and you cannot just step on the gas and go because you have a green light. At least that's what I was told before. 'A green light does not mean you can automatically go, it just means it's your turn to proceed but you have to make sure the intersection is clear/safe'. Something to that degree.

There are also lots of drivers (legally maybe) flooring it to get into an intersection when the light turns yellow and didn't finish crossing the intersection before the signals in the side turns green. I see it every single day. If every driver step on the gas as soon as the light turns green without checking the intersection, there would be a lot more accident.

My thought is that the driver in the GTR is at least partially at fault when he enter the intersection without looking to see that the intersection is clear. And then on top of that, he did the hit and run. Extremely irresponsible.

On a side note, automated cars would be much easier to program if they can go as soon as the light turns green.