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      06-10-2013, 01:45 PM   #45
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Another case of a new guy trying to hang with an OG.
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      06-10-2013, 01:54 PM   #46
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My son has an automotive journalist of some renown as a friend who has seen next gen Mustang and is not impressed...says its lost its macho retro look to gain greater audience (really ?) and looks too refined and modern for his tastes. We will see.
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      06-11-2013, 04:03 PM   #48
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Told by journalist this is really close to 2014 Mustang...lost its macho retro look so many of us loved.
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Told by journalist this is really close to 2014 Mustang...lost its macho retro look so many of us loved.
The retro sh*t needs to go. That is the problem. It will be a good sign if the old fart Mustang owners hate the design.

Like the new Vette, it looks more euro/exotic. Most the haters are old Vette owners driving POS C5's.
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The retro sh*t needs to go. That is the problem. It will be a good sign if the old fart Mustang owners hate the design.

Like the new Vette, it looks more euro/exotic. Most the haters are old Vette owners driving POS C5's.
+1. I can't stand the retro gauges especially.
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Told by journalist this is really close to 2014 Mustang...lost its macho retro look so many of us loved.
Bentley continental meets Mustang?
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      06-12-2013, 01:26 AM   #53
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Told by journalist this is really close to 2014 Mustang...lost its macho retro look so many of us loved.
Looks good to me. The retro style has run its course. If Mustang can't evolve to fit in the modern world then it will be relegated to extinction. You can only live off of past success for so long...
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Told by journalist this is really close to 2014 Mustang...lost its macho retro look so many of us loved.
looks like a Ford fusion...... really Ford?
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      06-12-2013, 01:53 AM   #55
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The retro sh*t needs to go. That is the problem. It will be a good sign if the old fart Mustang owners hate the design.

Like the new Vette, it looks more euro/exotic. Most the haters are old Vette owners driving POS C5's.
Nice confirmation bias. I know PLENTY of younger owners that love the retro mustang look (maybe you noticed that they sell a zillion of them and the average owner is like 23) and hate the new Vette design (mainly because the 60k Vette shares a Camaro rear - expensive car shares look with cheap car is risky)

End of the day sales tell the tale. The rest is all bullshit and posturing.

Personally as an "old guy" I'd welcome a new look and have no real love for mustangs anyway, but I'm not sure THIS look is right. With the C7, I like the general idea, but I think the rear does look imbalanced (and not because of the Camaro tail lights)
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To all the retro haters I have one question..."Would you really walk away from a 911 Porsche if offered one ?" The 911 design is 50 years old. I think a Mustang should follow a similar course...constant upgrades off a similar design theme rather than try to be something different every few years. Just one man's opinion but I don't think I'm alone.
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      06-12-2013, 04:02 PM   #57
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looks like a Ford fusion...... really Ford?
I don't think fusion is what Ford is going after here

http://www.astonmartinw.com/wp-conte...artin-db95.jpg
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No matter what the design, the failure for alot of us will always be the fact that the $35k GT and it's wonderful drivetrain share everything else with a car designed to be sold profitably at $22k.

Short version = Goes like hell but feels like a rental....

Too bad they couldn't make the GT a completely different model and spend more/charge more for it. If it was $40k instead of $35k but the interior and everything you interact with was spectacular, I would buy one in a heartbeat.
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      06-15-2013, 07:22 AM   #59
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M3 will be sedan version, M4 will be coupe.
Let's see if they have runflat tires and stop/start engines.

What's funny is Ford is trying to get a performance reputation while BMW wants volume.
They have one already; it just depends on how old you are.
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Spare me the "faster around the track" bit. Some tracks are made for 0-60 cars, some are made for 0-100 cars, some are made for cars with better handling, some are made for better brakes etc etc. next time I want a plastic car, ill buy a hot wheels replica! Jeremy Clarksons pretty much got the gist of it hahaha I can do this whole muscle VS import thing all day. I'll just use the Godzilla card LOL
Hopefully you do remember the BMW Z1...
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Well.... Jaguar XF in Ford. no complain since Ford owns Jag.
Ford sold Jaguar and Land Rover to Tata a while ago.

A lot of their current products are still from Ford ownership, but they are not owned by Ford anymore.
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I will probably never buy a Mustang (because living in a military town = 2043909584 mustangs), but I'm kind of happy they're starting to move away from the Retro look.

I've got my fingers crossed for the new Dodge Baracuda though. Supercharged 6.2L, ~700Lbs lighter than the challenger in a smaller frame/shorter wheelbase, hopefully it will be a good thing.
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Spare me the "faster around the track" bit. Some tracks are made for 0-60 cars, some are made for 0-100 cars, some are made for cars with better handling, some are made for better brakes etc etc. next time I want a plastic car, ill buy a hot wheels replica! Jeremy Clarksons pretty much got the gist of it hahaha I can do this whole muscle VS import thing all day. I'll just use the Godzilla card LOL
Hopefully you do remember the BMW Z1...
Considering that thing looks like it was made before I was born (literally), no, I don't remember it.

*edit*
Yep, production ended in 1991, 4 years before I was even born LOL
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Ford sold Jaguar and Land Rover to Tata a while ago.

A lot of their current products are still from Ford ownership, but they are not owned by Ford anymore.
Thanks for the update!
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Current Mustangs have horrible interior style, quality, and fit/finish....Hopefully this will be addressed.

5.0 v8 is still a monster.
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