[DasBlitz]

First to the OP I love how you say hopefully there are more "sensible" people here. Ahh, yes those who do not agree with the government or maybe question some inconsistencies are not sensible? Bet that's what they said during WWII in Germany and Italy.

Secondly it was proven the Russians were farther ahead than the United States so the US had a lot to gain by reaching the moon first. Am I saying it didn't happen? No. Possible? Maybe.

Originally Posted by The Cleaner

I love this topic, so what was in the APOLLO rockets when they shot into the sky? How come if they were empty we don't see them in orbit today? And what about all the guys in Huston, they all got faked out by these few people also? And the scientists that managed to get APOLLO 13 back were scammed? why did that have to happen?

You have no idea what the government can pull off. And I am not some crazy person who feels the government does all this crazy shit. But it is just obvious that a superpower government can pull large scale things off even in the 60's. It is not hard to fool americans.

[The Cleaner]

Originally Posted by DasBlitz

You have no idea what the government can pull off. And I am not some crazy person who feels the government does all this crazy shit. But it is just obvious that a superpower government can pull large scale things off even in the 60's. It is not hard to fool americans.

So besides bashing americans do you have any evidence those rockets did not lift off? or how about some of that crazy stuff the government pulls off? and keeps secret for 40 years?

I like this story, but we will need a Lot more proof than what we have seen so far.

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by mjh93sa

As for those who are sceptical about people keeping quiet for that long. I think that it is entirely possible. There have been numerous cases through the years, Bletchley Park, Lockheed Skunk Works and who knows how many others that we just don't know about? It was a different age, people today are out to make all the money they can, but it wasn't always so.

Just my thoughts.

Huge difference. Bletchey Park was a secret government location used to decode enemy transmissions during the war. All employees were government employees and probably signed The Official Secrets Act.

What would a whistleblower today teach us about Bletchley Park that we don't know now other than maybe some cryptology secrets. That the tea was Earl Gray on Thursdays?

The Skunk Works was to develop secret aircraft for the military use resulting ultimately in profit for Lockheed and its shareholders and more importantly a strategic advantage over the Russians. People working on it had a duty to Lockheed and the USA not to spill the beans.

What would a whistleblower today teach us? That they developed the SR71. That they didn't develop the SR-71?

The Apollo program involved private companies subcontracting to NASA. Grumman built the LEM, Boeing built Stage 1 of the Sat V, Lockheed built the Command Module etc. Along with almost 4000 other subcontractors, they worked on a very public program that was scrutinised and watched by the whole world. 500,000 people worked on Apollo. Apparently none were disgruntled, none were fired, none got into an argument with their boss.

Today a whistleblower would tell us that either some or all of the Apollo program was faked and then prove it.

Here's one for you. How about the 800lbs of moon rocks that have been studied by 1000s of scientists around the world most who don't work for NASA.

None, as in 'not one' of these dudes with huge degrees have said "Hey wait a minute".

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by Kiemyster

+1. think about it, radio transmitions wouldn't be hard to forge at all. all u need is a bunch of people, and a script to read. then transmit the signal and manipulate it. plus, how can a flag wave when there is no gravity/wind on the moon? wanna explain that one hot shot? (srry, felt like saying that last line, no harm intended loll)

You have to make the signal come from the surface of the moon. If you plan to bounce it off something planted on the moon (planted while nobody was looking BTW), you have to make sure the outbound signal is not detected. Since it would be detected especially by the Russians, please cross that one off your list of hoax talking points.

The flag waved because it was made of cloth with a wire across the top. As the pole was pushed into the surface, it was twisted back and forth (like a beach umbrella). Consequently the fabric rippled and continued to do so for a few moments. Did you expect it to be rigid like a piece of cardboard?

What the wacko sites don't mention is that after the initial rippling, the flag was rock solid still.

[Coder335i]

Originally Posted by achien

You forgot to add one more choice: Who cares?

Those of us who are interested in things besides ourselves maybe...?

[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

Huge difference. Bletchey Park was a secret government location used to decode enemy transmissions during the war. All employees were government employees and probably signed The Official Secrets Act.

What would a whistleblower today teach us about Bletchley Park that we don't know now other than maybe some cryptology secrets. That the tea was Earl Gray on Thursdays?

The Skunk Works was to develop secret aircraft for the military use resulting ultimately in profit for Lockheed and its shareholders and more importantly a strategic advantage over the Russians. People working on it had a duty to Lockheed and the USA not to spill the beans.

What would a whistleblower today teach us? That they developed the SR71. That they didn't develop the SR-71?

The Apollo program involved private companies subcontracting to NASA. Grumman built the LEM, Boeing built Stage 1 of the Sat V, Lockheed built the Command Module etc. Along with almost 4000 other subcontractors, they worked on a very public program that was scrutinised and watched by the whole world. 500,000 people worked on Apollo. Apparently none were disgruntled, none were fired, none got into an argument with their boss.

Today a whistleblower would tell us that either some or all of the Apollo program was faked and then prove it.

Here's one for you. How about the 800lbs of moon rocks that have been studied by 1000s of scientists around the world most who don't work for NASA.

None, as in 'not one' of these dudes with huge degrees have said "Hey wait a minute".

Why don't you tell all of us about area 51 ? I'm sure you know ALL about it don't you. You must have a PHD in BS to believe that there aren't other govenrment cover ups on the same proportion as landing on the moon.

[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

You have to make the signal come from the surface of the moon.

Or a top secret satellite in lunar orbit. But oh wait we don't have any of those do we.

[zenmaster]

It'd be quite impossible to fake the Apollo missions.

[Z4luvr]

Those that think the moon landing was faked are denying tons of proof and apparently think that thousands of people involved past and present are all part of a secret conspiracy. What do you think is more likely?

The poll results showing a 40% percentage of people thinking it was faked show one of the following:

1) people are just voting that way for fun and don't seriously believe it
2) we have an incredible number of idiots on this site

(or some combination thereof)

[NaTuReB0Y]

fake.......no one has been to the moon yet............

[Cadillac Johnson]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

The Apollo program involved private companies subcontracting to NASA. Grumman built the LEM, Boeing built Stage 1 of the Sat V, Lockheed built the Command Module etc. Along with almost 4000 other subcontractors, they worked on a very public program that was scrutinised and watched by the whole world. 500,000 people worked on Apollo. Apparently none were disgruntled, none were fired, none got into an argument with their boss.

I would just like to point out, that if there was a conspiracy, those 500,000 people involved certainly wouldn't be told about it.

How would some guy working at Boeing have any knowledge regarding a conspiracy? Why would anyone, besides a very select few, be told the "truth"? Well, they wouldn't, so that argument is pointless.

On another note, I think it's funny that you started a thread asking people what they thought, just so you could argue your point. You obviously feel a certain way about the topic, and think it's necessary to make sure everyone else feels that way as well.

Now, I dont know for sure if we did or didn't land on the moon. I would think we did, but I do think it's very possible that it didn't happen as NASA would have us believe.

I do believe in aliens however, and believe that they have visited our planet on numerous occasions... but that's another thread..

[nightkhan]

this thread turned out to be more entertaining than i thought it would be!!

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by Cadillac Johnson

On another note, I think it's funny that you started a thread asking people what they thought, just so you could argue your point. You obviously feel a certain way about the topic, and think it's necessary to make sure everyone else feels that way as well.

lol i can see your point. I was hoping someone else would chime in and support my belief. As stated though it was the result of seeing a similar thread/poll on another site with a dubious IQ demographic.

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by gum5h03

Or a top secret satellite in lunar orbit. But oh wait we don't have any of those do we.

If it was orbiting the moon, it would not be secret. Unless it was using Klingon cloaking technology Plus it would change position relative to the lunar surface. This would be detected.

[DasBlitz]

Originally Posted by The Cleaner

So besides bashing americans do you have any evidence those rockets did not lift off? or how about some of that crazy stuff the government pulls off? and keeps secret for 40 years?

I like this story, but we will need a Lot more proof than what we have seen so far.

Bash Americans? Oh come on, poking fun and at the same time somewhat stating a fact is bashing now? Not to mention I would be bashing myself?

My point is things can happen that aren't true. And the government sure as hell can pull it off I believe. Merely stating its possibly.

Originally Posted by Cadillac Johnson

I would just like to point out, that if there was a conspiracy, those 500,000 people involved certainly wouldn't be told about it.

How would some guy working at Boeing have any knowledge regarding a conspiracy? Why would anyone, besides a very select few, be told the "truth"? Well, they wouldn't, so that argument is pointless.

On another note, I think it's funny that you started a thread asking people what they thought, just so you could argue your point. You obviously feel a certain way about the topic, and think it's necessary to make sure everyone else feels that way as well.

Now, I dont know for sure if we did or didn't land on the moon. I would think we did, but I do think it's very possible that it didn't happen as NASA would have us believe.

I do believe in aliens however, and believe that they have visited our planet on numerous occasions... but that's another thread..

+1 except for the alien part.

[Neurorad]

MOON LANDING HUMOR

The REAL transcript:

Monday, July 21st 1969
THE MOON---Jesus fucking Christ.

The distant, lonely, mysterious satellite that has fascinated mankind since the dawn of time is distant and lonely no more.

At 4:17 p.m. EST yesterday, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Edwin E. Aldrin Jr. touched down on the Sea of Tranquility in the lunar module Eagle and radioed back to Earth the historic report: "Jesus fucking Christ, Houston. We're on the fucking Moon." [...]

What follows is a partial transcript of the radio communication between the astronauts on the Moon's Tranquility Base and NASA personnel at mission control on Earth:

TRANQUILITY BASE: This is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has landed. Jesus H. Christ, Houston. We're on the fucking Moon. Over.
HOUSTON: Roger, Tranquility, we copy you. We cannot believe you are on the fucking Moon. Repeat: Cannot fucking believe it. Over.
TRANQUILITY: It was a smooth touchdown. The Moon, for Christ's sake, the Moon. Over.
HOUSTON: Roger that. You're clear for T1, walking on the Moon. Over.
TRANQUILITY: We copy. Walking on Moon. Jesus. Over.
HOUSTON: You're cleared to hook up Lunar Equipment Conveyor. To walk (pause) fucking walk on the Moon. Over.
TRANQUILITY: LEC attached. Platform lined up. Checking ingress. Over. [...]
HOUSTON: You're clear, Tranquility. Proceed. Over. [...]
TRANQUILITY: I'm on the bottom rung of the ladder. Just one more step, and I'm... (long pause)
HOUSTON: Tranquility?
TRANQUILITY: Holy (pause) living (long pause) fuck. (Long pause) Fuck!
HOUSTON: Tranquility, do you copy?
TRANQUILITY: Are you fucking believing this? Over.
HOUSTON: We read you. Over.
TRANQUILTIY: I abso-fucking-lutely am standing on the surface of the fucking Moon. I am talking to you from the god-damned fucking Moon. Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket.
HOUSTON: Holy Shit.

The full story:
http://members.shaw.ca/rlongpre01/moon.html

More moon landing humor:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33010

[sesegal99]

I thought the moon was just an image made by a really big projector sitting on top of the White House so we have something to look at when it is dark out. You mean your telling me it actually orbits the earth and we have landed on it. Get the f out of here.

[flush01]

i accidently voted for the wrong one, IMO usa didn't land on the moon and faked the whole thing... russians were far ahead in technology at that time... usa had problems lunching their shuttles on just normal missions to the space AFTER 3 years of successful missions by russians... and boom, all of a sudden they went to the moon with no problems, hard to believe

[BMWE90]

Originally Posted by sesegal99

I thought the moon was just an image made by a really big projector sitting on top of the White House so we have something to look at when it is dark out. You mean your telling me it actually orbits the earth and we have landed on it. Get the f out of here.

no no no, that's the bat signal used to call out Batman.


And here's to prove that the moon landing was fake.

[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by flush01

i accidently voted for the wrong one, IMO usa didn't land on the moon and faked the whole thing... russians were far ahead in technology at that time... usa had problems lunching their shuttles on just normal missions to the space AFTER 3 years of successful missions by russians... and boom, all of a sudden they went to the moon with no problems, hard to believe

Hence the "contingency" plans

[Cadillac Johnson]

Originally Posted by Neurorad

MOON LANDING HUMOR

The REAL transcript:

Monday, July 21st 1969
THE MOON---Jesus fucking Christ.

The distant, lonely, mysterious satellite that has fascinated mankind since the dawn of time is distant and lonely no more.

At 4:17 p.m. EST yesterday, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Edwin E. Aldrin Jr. touched down on the Sea of Tranquility in the lunar module Eagle and radioed back to Earth the historic report: "Jesus fucking Christ, Houston. We're on the fucking Moon." [...]

What follows is a partial transcript of the radio communication between the astronauts on the Moon's Tranquility Base and NASA personnel at mission control on Earth:

TRANQUILITY BASE: This is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has landed. Jesus H. Christ, Houston. We're on the fucking Moon. Over.
HOUSTON: Roger, Tranquility, we copy you. We cannot believe you are on the fucking Moon. Repeat: Cannot fucking believe it. Over.
TRANQUILITY: It was a smooth touchdown. The Moon, for Christ's sake, the Moon. Over.
HOUSTON: Roger that. You're clear for T1, walking on the Moon. Over.
TRANQUILITY: We copy. Walking on Moon. Jesus. Over.
HOUSTON: You're cleared to hook up Lunar Equipment Conveyor. To walk (pause) fucking walk on the Moon. Over.
TRANQUILITY: LEC attached. Platform lined up. Checking ingress. Over. [...]
HOUSTON: You're clear, Tranquility. Proceed. Over. [...]
TRANQUILITY: I'm on the bottom rung of the ladder. Just one more step, and I'm... (long pause)
HOUSTON: Tranquility?
TRANQUILITY: Holy (pause) living (long pause) fuck. (Long pause) Fuck!
HOUSTON: Tranquility, do you copy?
TRANQUILITY: Are you fucking believing this? Over.
HOUSTON: We read you. Over.
TRANQUILTIY: I abso-fucking-lutely am standing on the surface of the fucking Moon. I am talking to you from the god-damned fucking Moon. Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket.
HOUSTON: Holy Shit.

The full story:
http://members.shaw.ca/rlongpre01/moon.html

More moon landing humor:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33010

I have a t-shirt with the front page of that edition of The Onion on the front.

I also have the one with the headline "Christ returns to NBA"
Shortly after Jordan came back...the first time..

[Zeiss]