[Javi335]

The bull end is gonna be the same with or without square perfomance. I dont really see a several torture on bullfightin, however, i respect other peoples point of view. Personally i will modernize bullfightin removing the stabs. Say what i say, being totally fair i dont deny you got the reason.

Im the kind of person who gets polices infractions for walk around my dog unchained because i like to let him run free, so ...

im looking for a bullfight vid in slow motion and flamenco music, close camera shots ... you gentlemans thinks that people goes to the square to see blood, to scream kill the bull kill the bull!!! ... this aint a Roman Coliseum

[SpacE82]

Originally Posted by Javi335

The bull end is gonna be the same with or without square perfomance. I dont really see a several torture on bullfightin, however, i respect other peoples point of view. Personally i will modernize bullfightin removing the stabs. Say what i say, being totally fair i dont deny you got the reason.

Im the kind of person who gets polices infractions for walk around my dog unchained because i like to let him run free, so ...

im looking for a bullfight vid in slow motion and flamenco music, close camera shots ... you gentlemans thinks that people goes to the square to see blood, to scream kill the bull kill the bull!!! ... this aint a Roman Coliseum

If they got rid of the stabbing and killing of the bull, it would be completely different. I see where the art and beauty is, but it is all taken away by killing the bull. If it is so beautiful, why kill the bull? It is completely unecessary if thoe whole point is to see the bull and matador "dance." Killing the bull and jamming swords in its spine IS torture. I dont care how strong a bull is, if you are jamming swords into it's spine (that is eventually going to kill it), the bull is feeling pain.

[Krozi]

Originally Posted by Vanity

This is why I can't take animal lovers seriously. This example right here. You look at bull-fighting as inhumane, torture, etc. The pit of man against beast in a stadium to duke it out till blood runs down either one's body and dries. And you look at this and you say, "this is archaic and we're better than this now. Save the bulls!".

But none of you have a problem cheering on your favorite UFC fighter, boxer, etc. Hell, those guys get clobbered just as bad, minus a bull horn here or there. But the bull-fighting thing, goodness no! Let's let man fight akin with his own, but leave the beautiful animals alone. We can't stomach that!

Bet you love your burgers and steaks and everything else just the same. Those cows had it worse off in life: from calf to cow, only monetized and slaughetred for consumption. At least the bull gets the fuck with us before he goes and has a voice of his own. That's the culture Javi is trying to tell you animal lovers about. But I guess as animal lovers, sometimes you can't see past your own corner. Be right back, going to donate to the Save Our Panda's foundation and not to children in Africa. Then after that, I'm going to try and abolish bull-fighting and sushi consumption. I have my priorities straight.

Fuckin LOL

[carve]

Yeah...if it's about the art, maybe they should just switch to rodeo. Although I'm sure the bulls find rodeo annoying they aren't being slowly tortured to death.

[Javi335]

Originally Posted by carve

Yeah...if it's about the art, maybe they should just switch to rodeo. Although I'm sure the bulls find rodeo annoying they aren't being slowly tortured to death.

c'mon men ... i dont say bulls feels ok with the knifes on it, just say "slowly tortured to death" is a little bit far from the reality. Yet, there's blood there, you all always gonna win

[carve]

^That was unintelligible.

[Javi335]

Originally Posted by carve

^That was unintelligible.

its curious how a word like unintelligible is almost the same in spanish: "ininteligible"

what i was trying to say is that the suposed cruelty is not, but since there's blood and stabs on bullfight, honestly, between mine and your point of view is clear who of both has the "reason" i cant refuse that

[BMWinNorthdakota]

Originally Posted by Javi335

its curious how a word like unintelligible is almost the same in spanish: "ininteligible"

I spot a troll, Javi. Haha, inintelligble is not a word... that's why it doesn't show up on whatever translator you use.

[carve]

So, you're saying bull fights are not cruel?

The animal is harassed and injured until it is paralyzed or slowly bleeds to death, and it's done purely for entertainment.

I'm not a fan of UFC fighting either, but that isn't cruel since the people volunteer to fight, and they don't fight to the death.

[Javi335]

Originally Posted by BMWinNorthdakota

I spot a troll, Javi. Haha, inintelligble is not a word... that's why it doesn't show up on whatever translator you use.

Ininteligible, search for.

Originally Posted by carve

So, you're saying bull fights are not cruel?

The animal is harassed and injured until it is paralyzed or slowly bleeds to death, and it's done purely for entertainment.

I'm not a fan of UFC fighting either, but that isn't cruel since the people volunteer to fight, and they don't fight to the death.

Depends on everyone. The bull dies for a stab in his heart, not by bleeding. After the sword stab, the final one, if the bull dont dies, usually a member of the "cuadrilla" gives a fast death to the bull with the "descabello" wich is sudden, quick lethal.

But the important think, and i like to remark, people dont go to the squares to see blood for the joy blood, stab for the joy of stab, its all circustancial.

We go to see this.

Ole coño, OLE!

[carve]

Originally Posted by Javi335

Ininteligible, search for.



Depends on everyone. The bull dies for a stab in his heart, not by bleeding. After the sword stab, the final one, if the bull dont dies, usually a member of the "cuadrilla" gives a fast death to the bull with the "descabello" wich is lethal and subit.

...after it's been slowly crippled and is unable to move around anymore.

But the important think, and i like to remark, people dont go to the squares to see blood for the joy blood, stab for the joy of stab, its all circustancial.

Oh...then why don't they stop stabbing it? Problem solved, tradition maintained. Replace the swords with a stick and it would look just the same, minus the part that people aren't there to see anyway. The bull would take a long time to get tired, too, so it should be a lot more exciting.

We both know we won't see that happen though. Why do you think that is?

[ScaredOnce]

Originally Posted by Javi335

Its not a sport. Its above sports, its art, its beautiness, its culture, its bravery. Its Spain.

Its demonized for the progresist-cool-tolerant people worldwide who thinks the bull suffers a horrible punish and extreme torture blablabla. To kill an animal and rip his skin only for made a coat, thats sick. The bull is a strong animal, he hardly feels pain

If you want to stop bullfight, star by stop before a thousand of millions things worst than that on this world. Thats what i mean.

It's awesome, imho. I was really upset that the last time I was in Spain, I couldn't catch a bullfight. It's considered an honor for the bull and all humans involved.

Originally Posted by Vanity

This is why I can't take animal lovers seriously. This example right here. You look at bull-fighting as inhumane, torture, etc. The pit of man against beast in a stadium to duke it out till blood runs down either one's body and dries. And you look at this and you say, "this is archaic and we're better than this now. Save the bulls!".

But none of you have a problem cheering on your favorite UFC fighter, boxer, etc. Hell, those guys get clobbered just as bad, minus a bull horn here or there. But the bull-fighting thing, goodness no! Let's let man fight akin with his own, but leave the beautiful animals alone. We can't stomach that!

Bet you love your burgers and steaks and everything else just the same. Those cows had it worse off in life: from calf to cow, only monetized and slaughetred for consumption. At least the bull gets the fuck with us before he goes and has a voice of his own. That's the culture Javi is trying to tell you animal lovers about. But I guess as animal lovers, sometimes you can't see past your own corner. Be right back, going to donate to the Save Our Panda's foundation and not to children in Africa. Then after that, I'm going to try and abolish bull-fighting and sushi consumption. I have my priorities straight.

I'm an animal lover and hope I don't come off too rabid about that disposition. I like dogs, big cats, I can ride a horse, etc... Actually, I lived on a farm with my grandparents for a while when I was younger. (if you really wanna do something nasty (albeit necessary) to a bull, look up "nutting a bull") But, to address your point about the hamburgers... Yeah. I love those too.

It's way less 'humane' the way commercial cattle are slaughtered versus the bullfights. Hell, I'd rather go out like the bull. I really would like to avoid a pneumatic hole-puncher to the back of the upper spine. Better to be part of a fight, whether fair or not, than to simply be put down. ymmv

[Javi335]

...after it's been slowly crippled and is unable to move around anymore.

Im afraid my passion for bullfight blinds me on that, without using hypocresy i cant argument no more

Originally Posted by carve

We both know we won't see that happen though. Why do you think that is?

on the contrary amigo, the day will come when the eurobigbrother puts on table: without stabs or without bullfights. You'll will see.

[carve]

If the people aren't there to see the stabbing and death, why don't they just stop the stabs right now? According to you they'd be just as entertained if not more so, and most of the controversy would go away.

[Javi335]

Originally Posted by carve

If the people aren't there to see the stabbing and death, why don't they just stop the stabs right now? According to you they'd be just as entertained if not more so, and most of the controversy would go away.

the stabs becomes a tradition. In the past, the old days, they stab the bull to make him angry, so he can fight with more bravery, the thing goes more risky, then more exiciting. The final sword stab, wich at that point i think is the less important, could be appear anytime on the bullfight story, however is a part of the show too.

If people go to see stabs and blood they probably be provided with archs and five bulls on the arena, and the matador doesnt exist.

[carve]

How about they use a cattle prod and shock him? That'll really piss him off without weakening him.

[OOOSQ]

If it's so artistic we should stab our dancing with the stars guests at the end of thier routines......

[ScaredOnce]

Originally Posted by OOOSQ

If it's so artistic we should stab our dancing with the stars guests at the end of thier routines......

Agreed. Everyone with any connection to that show could use perforation.

[Gregxi]

Donkey show>Bull Fight

[Sara]

Originally Posted by carve

So, you're saying bull fights are not cruel?

The animal is harassed and injured until it is paralyzed or slowly bleeds to death, and it's done purely for entertainment.

I'm not a fan of UFC fighting either, but that isn't cruel since the people volunteer to fight, and they don't fight to the death.

I agree

[ScaredOnce]

Originally Posted by Gregxi

Donkey show>Bull Fight

that's bigoted towards community college girls!

we can never please everyone.

[donovan]

I love bulls