[Wakka]

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

We are products of our childhood, they obviously didn't instill responsibility in her. To make your argument valid, she was lying to her parents about where she was and what she was doing. Most teenagers do that, but not many are partying on a Wednesday night and driving drunk AT SIXTEEN. If you can honestly say you did that as a kid, then I blame your parents too.

Bro... ITS THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER. A bunch of weathly kids that are out of school for the summer arent going to be partying in their parents huge home while they away? Yeah OK. Cuz 16 year olds have so many responsibilities on a wednesday night in the middle of the summer.

In Ridgefield we started drinking as soon as our first friend could drive us to the liquor store. Had one kid who looked at least 25, found a liquor store that didnt card him (Usually in danbury) and we went on our merry waay to getting wasted, then passing the fuck out in a bed at the house we drank at.

Of course there were a few occasions where we had to drive, usually i waited an hour or 2 at least.

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by Wakka

Bro... ITS THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER. A bunch of weathly kids that are out of school for the summer arent going to be partying in their parents huge home while they away? Yeah OK. Cuz 16 year olds have so many responsibilities on a wednesday night in the middle of the summer.

In Ridgefield we started drinking as soon as our first friend could drive us to the liquor store. Had one kid who looked at least 25, found a liquor store that didnt card him (Usually in danbury) and we went on our merry waay to getting wasted, then passing the fuck out in a bed at the house we drank at.

Of course there were a few occasions where we had to drive, usually i waited an hour or 2 at least.

You were lucky, because I guarantee if you look at EVERYONE your age at your school, they weren't all doing that. You were in the crowd that did, and your parents instilled some responsibility in you to wait some hours before you did or at least know you were crashing where you were drinking. Hers apparently didn't, which caused her to drive by herself home at 4am *most likely* drunk. Driving a car is a BIG responsibility that shouldn't be looked over, there are more people killed a year on roads than most anything else. So saying that a 16 year old doesn't have responsibility is ignorant, you have a responsibility to drive safe and not kill your passengers or the people you share the road with. Looks like her parents didn't take it seriously and handed her an 80k car and let her do what she wanted.

[jpsum]

Originally Posted by AU335i

damn... regardless if she was drinking or not, it's still sad to see someone that young die so soon... everyone makes mistakes and it just sucks she wont be able to learn from hers...and yeah I am glad no one else was involved. Makes me realize how close I was to losing a family member as well...









thats a picture of the car after my sister flipped a few times about a month ago, but thankfully she survived with only cuts, bruises and a few fractures here and there. but the resemblance of the two cars makes me very thankful...

glad she's ok, but what kind of shitty camera did you use?

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by KGB7

Ohhh for crying out loud!! Kids fucking die every single day for many god damn reasons!!

So why does she deserve peoples attention?? Because she lives in your town?? But she was too spoiled driving a vehicle she doesnt deserve!!

Christ all mighty!!

I think it was more of a "holy shit, look what happened" than a "she's special." People start threads to ask us what fucking gin to buy a 21 yr old girl for her birthday so I'm not sure why you're bent out of shape about this one. Also, it's not uncommon to take out your parents vehicles when you're that young which is likely what happened here. It's a wealthy town but it's not Greenwich-wealthy.

[Wakka]

Ok so i work like 10 mins from here, and its on my way home so I went down the road to check it out.

There were a bunch of news cars/vans in front of the spot labeled 'house' so im guessing that is where she lives / left from.

It leads up to a hill that goes up then comes back down, right into a turn. This is where she crashed. To do the kind of damage that the car had i am assuming she had to have floored the car. Its really not that far from her house. Also keep in mind that it had rained all day so the road was probably wet. The hill is maybe 300 feet from her house? Idk how fast that car can move or what kind of speed shed need to have hit to do that to the car so maybe someone else can chime in there.

From what i saw im assuming that theres nothign the parents had to do with it, she was just stupid and hit the gas waaaay too hard.



My phone was dead so i couldnt take a video but ill do it tomorrow after work and post one up to give you guys a better view of what it all looks like.

[Blake]

okay i'm going to throw my 2 cents in. inexperience driving + mommy's range rover + drinking + speeding + texting + loud music. i bet if phone records were checked, she was probably hacking away right up until the point of impact. i'm also willing to bet she didn't know it was coming until it was already too late aka maybe a fraction of a second before impact.

[AU335i]

Originally Posted by jpsum

glad she's ok, but what kind of shitty camera did you use?

cell phone xP

[Wakka]

The article has been updated. Its beginning to look more and more like bad parenting at this point IMO.

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by E90SoFlo

+1 no need for blame, who knows what happened, could have been a damn animal run out and the girl swerved and rolled the car.

Super sad..

While I disagree somewhat as the speed is clearly far beyond what the road is suitable for, I do agree that the circumstances are unknown.

I was involved in a fatal car accident, where a woman, who was lost, moved from a parked postion on the side of the road and tried to make a u-turn when we were less than 200 ft from her. We hit her driver side door doing 60 km/hr and she was dead on the scene. It was the most horrific thing that I have ever experienced.

Guess what was suggested in the media? Excessive speed...drinking and driving...lack of experience (we were 19 and my buddy was driving)...etc.

Truth of the matter....we were all dead sober, driving the speed limit. The other driver made a fatal mistake, plain and simple.

[ghosthi32]

itt collins becomes a parent

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by Wakka

The article has been updated. Its beginning to look more and more like bad parenting at this point IMO.

[Wakka]

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

You had zero reason to think it when the thread was initially posted. You were potentially correct out of ignorance. Apparently she had no licence and had just dropped off a friend. Crashed 300 feet after she left her friends.

[chinoxs203]

its deff sad that a 16year old lost their life no matter who is to blame.
now that her name was released i snooped on FB and her profile is private but her picture could say a lot



i remember partying in the woods in high school with 30 packs, if you dindn;t party then you prob hung out with the cool crowd

still tho RIP

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by Wakka

You had zero reason to think it when the thread was initially posted. You were potentially correct out of ignorance. Apparently she had no licence and had just dropped off a friend. Crashed 300 feet after she left her friends.

I had all the reason and I have said my reasoning the entire time, too many variables to overlook that it wasn't bad parenting, just because I have a thought process that thinks way ahead doesn't mean ignorance.

If it looks like a duck, its a god damn duck

-4am
-made a 80k car look like a piece of metal
-no other cars involved

What other possibilities were there? She told her parents she was staying the night at a friends and at 4am decided "Ill go home now", and a deer ran out in front of her. Logically, she is 16 and it's summer.

Same as above but she fell asleep, she is 16 and it is summer. Anyone out at 16 at 4am is usually partying, you should know that.

Or she was out partying until 4am, decided after the night was over I should drive home now drunk, drop off my friend, text her when I'm leaving how fun the party was, and get killed in an accident.

She has a facebook picture with alcohol in it, so the parents saw it and ignored it, they ignored she was out at 4am and gave her a brand new RR to drive around and obviously didn't teach her it was wrong to drive drunk, or at least call someone or stay where you are.

Yes there were other variables and possibilities to start, I just thought logically with my party experience, and ignored the emotional side and looked at it objectively.

[Wakka]

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

I had all the reason and I have said my reasoning the entire time, too many variables to overlook that it wasn't bad parenting, just because I have a thought process that thinks way ahead doesn't mean ignorance.

If it looks like a duck, its a god damn duck

-4am
-made a 80k car look like a piece of metal
-no other cars involved

What other possibilities were there? She told her parents she was staying the night at a friends and at 4am decided "Ill go home now", and a deer ran out in front of her. Logically, she is 16 and it's summer.

Same as above but she fell asleep, she is 16 and it is summer. Anyone out at 16 at 4am is usually partying, you should know that.

Or she was out partying until 4am, decided after the night was over I should drive home now drunk, drop off my friend, text her when I'm leaving how fun the party was, and get killed in an accident.

She has a facebook picture with alcohol in it, so the parents saw it and ignored it, they ignored she was out at 4am and gave her a brand new RR to drive around and obviously didn't teach her it was wrong to drive drunk, or at least call someone or stay where you are.

Yes there were other variables and possibilities to start, I just thought logically with my party experience, and ignored the emotional side and looked at it objectively.

Look, your points are all valid. I dont disagree with any of that. However, no i dont think she told her parents that she was going to sleep over at a friends house at 4am. I think more likely she told them that during the day early evening. Went out partying instead (Can you really blame the parents for bad parenting when they thought she was safe and sound at her friends house?).

After seeing the facebook picture, (which you couldnt have seen yesterday) I would agree with you further, that it is the parents fault. They should be watching their kids FB more closely. At the same time... my parents dont have a facebook nore could they properly operate it anyway. So again, not entirely sure you can blame them for that.

The parents probably let her take the RR because they thought 'that things a tank, she'll be safe' my parents gave me a Tahoe SS that was pushing 300 HP when i was in HS. Their reasoning for letting me have something with so much power was that it was a tank, and it really was. It was also limited to 99 MPH (never reached that, not even close that thing was dangerous above 75 mph)

Anyway what I am trying to say is that from what we knew yesterday, theres no way you could be 110% sure it was the parents to blame. Im still not sold on it, but it looks more like it now. You dont really need the 'Im smarter then you' attitude. idk why you're hostile towards me, just having a discussion and we can be mature.

We still dont know where she was headed after she dropped her friend off, while i would agree with you i bet she was about to call it a night and head home, it could potentially be that she was heading back to another friends house to sleep, so her story of sleeping over would hold up. Who knows?

[CollinsE90]

With this scenario no one could of guessed 100%, we weren't there. I just took my experiences in life, looked at the signs and made an educated guess that appears correct.

[ghosthi32]

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

With this scenario no one could of guessed 100%, we weren't there. I just took my experiences in life, looked at the signs and made an educated guess that appears correct.

[ragingclue]

Some idiot teen rolled and was ejected from his ML this morning on the Ike. The spot he rolled at is a notoriously bad choke point to begin with, but when it's down to just one shoulder getting by for hours... Yeah what a nightmare. Sounds like it was another teen in Mommy and Daddy's car driving well outside its limits, with no seat belt on, and with it being almost 4AM at the time of the crash and given the way he must have been driving.... Well, I just wouldn't rule out the presence of alcohol at this point.

Kids and fast cars.... Bad combination I guess.

[Blake]

rob, i don't know how you CAN'T call bad parenting to be the root cause of this problem. there's no reason on earth that a 16-year-old girl should be driving around in a range rover at 4am. whether or not she was given that car or she pulled a 'sneak the car out', it's just asinine that any parent would let that happen. they HAVE to know what's going on, especially if the girl is known to party/drink. i know when i was that age, i did a lot of dumb shit, too, but my parents knew it. i was just such a prick that i did everything despite the consequence. all i'm saying is this is a very open and shut case of you give an inch, they take a mile. kids that live a life of privilege often go out in the same way...tragic cases like this. but it all starts with the parents letting their kids do shit like this, and publicly. i mean, for fuck's sake, she's got a party pic on her profile pic for the whole world to see...it's nearly impossible these days for family not to be able to see shit on facebook, especially profile pics. like collin said, if it quacks like a duck, it's a fucking duck. there's no sugar coating.

[Blake]

Investigators were trying to determine where Brice had been and what she was doing on the road in the early morning hours, Ryan said, since state law prohibits 16- and 17-year-olds from driving between 11 p.m. and 5 a.m. under most circumstances. The exceptions are for work, school, religious activities or medical reasons.

Read more: http://www.newstimes.com/news/articl...#ixzz1UBUWAAbH

i doubt she was at church service

[CollinsE90]

Forgot to add, we had a midnight curfew in the city too if you were under the age of 18. Another reason my mom gave me the same, my grandfather always told me nothing good is going on after Midnight.

I wasn't a perfect child, but my mom talked to me like a human and explained how serious driving was and how dangerous it could be. She picked me up a couple times when I was too drunk to drive, but that was more towards the end of HS. I just knew to be responsible and that for her to trust me to go out on my own and have fun, meant I couldn't betray that trust.

[FStop7]

Originally Posted by Blake

i doubt she was at church service

depends on what she worshiped

new drivers should be required by law to look at the Nikki Catsouras crash photos before getting into their cars for the first year or so after getting their licenses.