[b0bab0i]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

I don't see anyone that said he deserved to die for egging the car.

I did dumb shit when I was a kid, and I consider myself lucky that nothing terribly bad ever happened to me as a result of my own stupidity. Like Feyd said, people get killed for much less. Egging a car is consciously increasing your risk to get unlucky, as this kid did....

Take a chill pill. I don't think the kid deserved to die at all, but he definitely could have (and should have) made the decision not to egg a motherfucker's Mercedes in the hood, whether or not he ended up getting shot.

He was not simply "being a kid". He was being a criminal. Sucks that he died, but maybe if he wouldn't have made such a terrible decision, his family wouldn't be grieving right now, would they?

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[DenverJayhawk]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

I don't see anyone that said he deserved to die for egging the car.

I did dumb shit when I was a kid, and I consider myself lucky that nothing terribly bad ever happened to me as a result of my own stupidity. Like Feyd said, people get killed for much less. Egging a car is consciously increasing your risk to get unlucky, as this kid did....

Take a chill pill. I don't think the kid deserved to die at all, but he definitely could have (and should have) made the decision not to egg a motherfucker's Mercedes in the hood, whether or not he ended up getting shot.

He was not simply "being a kid". He was being a criminal. Sucks that he died, but maybe if he wouldn't have made such a terrible decision, his family wouldn't be grieving right now, would they?

I agree with most stuff you post. But in this case, I disagree. Yes, the kid was a douche and was a criminal. He made a bad decision. But the punishment administered far exceeds the crime committed. The Benz owner that killed this kid used excessive force in every way imaginable. The kid was trying to run away when he was shot. The shooter is a hot head that thinks because he owns a gun, he can go shooting kids in the back that are trying to run away after egging a car. The greater public as a whole will be much safer when this hothead is off the street and in prison.

I don't care if someone eggs a car. You don't go after them with a gun when they are running away and shoot them in the back and neck simply.

EDIT: if the Benz owner was repeated egged over time and taunted, I can empathize with how he felt the need to take care of matters himself. But I can't see a jury justifying a killing due to a case of egg throwing.

[F10550xi]

The "kid" was a 17 year old. Enough with the kid bs. By that age, he should have known to respect other people's property.

[aut0sh0cker]

Originally Posted by DenverJayhawk

kid was a douche bag but didn't deserve to die.

PS....the gunman is fucked. You all know that, yes? He will face 1st degree murder.

That's the one thing I bet he won't get. No premeditation or provable intent to kill. Worst he will get it 2nd degree murder, but more likely voluntary manslaughter (3-6 years).

Example of 2nd Degree Murder:

Dan comes home to find his wife in bed with Victor. At a stoplight the next day, Dan sees Victor riding in the passenger seat of a nearby car. Dan pulls out a gun and fires three shots into the car, missing Victor but killing the driver of the car.

Example of Voluntary Manslaughter:

Dan comes home to find his wife in bed with Victor. In the heat of the moment, Dan picks up a golf club from next to the bed and strikes Victor in the head, killing him instantly.

[gtrokin330]

damn thats pretty intense...

[Blake]

headshot.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by aut0sh0cker

That's the one thing I bet he won't get. No premeditation or provable intent to kill. Worst he will get it 2nd degree murder, but more likely voluntary manslaughter (3-6 years).

Example of 2nd Degree Murder:

Dan comes home to find his wife in bed with Victor. At a stoplight the next day, Dan sees Victor riding in the passenger seat of a nearby car. Dan pulls out a gun and fires three shots into the car, missing Victor but killing the driver of the car.

Example of Voluntary Manslaughter:

Dan comes home to find his wife in bed with Victor. In the heat of the moment, Dan picks up a golf club from next to the bed and strikes Victor in the head, killing him instantly.

no..its 1st degree. he saw the eggs or whatever on his car, went to get his gun and then decided to handle bsuness.that example of manslaughter you gave is an exception for husband/wife "heat of passion" or whatever..it doesnt apply to love of cars lol...now what the guy will ultimately get..who knows

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

I don't see anyone that said he deserved to die for egging the car.

I did dumb shit when I was a kid, and I consider myself lucky that nothing terribly bad ever happened to me as a result of my own stupidity. Like Feyd said, people get killed for much less. Egging a car is consciously increasing your risk to get unlucky, as this kid did....

Take a chill pill. I don't think the kid deserved to die at all, but he definitely could have (and should have) made the decision not to egg a motherfucker's Mercedes in the hood, whether or not he ended up getting shot.

He was not simply "being a kid". He was being a criminal. Sucks that he died, but maybe if he wouldn't have made such a terrible decision, his family wouldn't be grieving right now, would they?

I'm all for being responsible for your actions, i'm all for swift and just punishment as well. Not for anyone being ok with a kid (yes, as in a minor) or anyone being shot dead for egging someone's property; mercedes or otherwise. I'm totally ok with him getting a sever beat down, just not cool with him being shot dead. Worse than that is number of people that are "ok" with it or "don't feel bad" or think that justify the result because he messed with the wrong guy.

Our society as a whole is lacking in empathy, which makes it easy for some of you to say you don't care. But the only reason you don't care is because you think he's at the bottom rung of society. Should that been a sibling, cousin, friend, or even someone you went to school with; the odds are you would feel differently. Which tells me that some of you have a flawed system used to value human life.

[aut0sh0cker]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

no..its 1st degree. he saw the eggs or whatever on his car, went to get his gun and then decided to handle bsuness.that example of manslaughter you gave is an exception for husband/wife "heat of passion" or whatever..it doesnt apply to love of cars lol...now what the guy will ultimately get..who knows

I think I read the story a bit differently:

'Kid eggs car with driver in it. Kid runs. Driver grabs gun and fires 10 shots in direction of kid. Kid goes down.'

Who really knows what happened, but 1st degree murder is hard to prove..

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by DenverJayhawk

I agree with most stuff you post. But in this case, I disagree. Yes, the kid was a douche and was a criminal. He made a bad decision. But the punishment administered far exceeds the crime committed. ....

That's a point that I agree with. I never said the punishment fit the crime; on the contrary, I considered it excessive. In no way do I excuse what the shooter did. He will spend the rest of his life in jail, most likely, which is good because we don't need a piece of shit like him on the streets anyway.

Originally Posted by MP0WER

I'm all for being responsible for your actions, i'm all for swift and just punishment as well. Not for anyone being ok with a kid (yes, as in a minor) or anyone being shot dead for egging someone's property; mercedes or otherwise. I'm totally ok with him getting a sever beat down, just not cool with him being shot dead. Worse than that is number of people that are "ok" with it or "don't feel bad" or think that justify the result because he messed with the wrong guy.

Our society as a whole is lacking in empathy, which makes it easy for some of you to say you don't care. But the only reason you don't care is because you think he's at the bottom rung of society. Should that been a sibling, cousin, friend, or even someone you went to school with; the odds are you would feel differently. Which tells me that some of you have a flawed system used to value human life.

Here's my post that you highlighted to make your point:

I feel bad that he ended up dying after participating in somewhat halfway common "kid stuff", but I don't feel bad at all that he encountered consequences for his actions.

I said that I don't feel bad that he encountered consequences for his actions. That is a general statement that in no way implies I'm cool with him getting killed, nor do I say that I don't feel bad that he encountered these specific consequences. He just happened to be unlucky, and his consequences were extremely severe. And yes, what he experienced can be defined as consequences for his own actions, no matter how irrational the reaction was. It never would have happened had he not chosen to commit a crime against another person.

It's not that I don't care. I don't believe I lack empathy. I don't think you should pass judgment on me based on your misunderstanding of my point of view. This has nothing to do with socioeconomic status at all. I wouldn't feel a bit differently if it was a rich white kid in the 'burbs.

If it was someone I knew and cared about, of course I would "feel" differently emotionally. Are you trying to tell me that you react to every unjust death like it's your own sibling, cousin, friend, etc...? Your "feelings" are the same regardless? In that case, you must be mired in a perpetual grieving process....

[DougLikesBMW]

Originally Posted by MP0WER

I'm all for being responsible for your actions, i'm all for swift and just punishment as well. Not for anyone being ok with a kid (yes, as in a minor) or anyone being shot dead for egging someone's property; mercedes or otherwise. I'm totally ok with him getting a sever beat down, just not cool with him being shot dead. Worse than that is number of people that are "ok" with it or "don't feel bad" or think that justify the result because he messed with the wrong guy.

Our society as a whole is lacking in empathy, which makes it easy for some of you to say you don't care. But the only reason you don't care is because you think he's at the bottom rung of society. Should that been a sibling, cousin, friend, or even someone you went to school with; the odds are you would feel differently. Which tells me that some of you have a flawed system used to value human life.

First time I have ever agreed with you in a thread.

[MTV]

Damn. . .

Dude in the Merc had no right to shoot at the kid.... he egg'd his car.... not like his life was in danger

Killing him?! WTF !? I hope the driver gets the death sentence... killing a 17 year old kid like that.

If i were the kid's dad the driver wouldnt be alive right now...

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by ideliver

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...1&z=16&iwloc=A

go to the street view for the full effect...

here is where it happened...he must have thought the car belonged to a white person...because no rational black kid would egg a gold mercedes owned by a black man in this neighborhood and expect to get away with it...

In that area of Atlanta, they hand guns out to school children. Seriously, it is considered one of the most dangerous areas of town. You should always assume they have a gun there.

[Feyd]

Originally Posted by MTV

If i were the kid's dad the driver wouldnt be alive right now...

If I were that kids dad I would have whipped the shit out of him years ago so that he would grow up knowing that you respect other people's property. Problem solved.


I'm guessing that there is greater chance than not that this kids dad (if he is around at all) is only just now in his early 30s (kid is 17, you do the math) and probably wandering around acting like a little bitch himself. So leading by example I guess.

[Kroy]

Originally Posted by Feyd

If I were that kids dad I would have whipped the shit out of him years ago so that he would grow up knowing that you respect other people's property. Problem solved.


I'm guessing that there is greater chance than not that this kids dad (if he is around at all) is only just now in his early 30s (kid is 17, you do the math) and probably wandering around acting like a little bitch himself. So leading by example I guess.

lol.... sadly after reading that comment, i automatically went through nearly the exact same thought process you did. First about how if I were the father, then a few guesses at father's character.

[FastM3]

apparently people on this forum think egging a car is punishable by death... beating yes.. getting shot? i think he didnt deserve that..

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

I said that I don't feel bad that he encountered consequences for his actions. That is a general statement that in no way implies I'm cool with him getting killed, nor do I say that I don't feel bad that he encountered these specific consequences. He just happened to be unlucky, and his consequences were extremely severe. And yes, what he experienced can be defined as consequences for his own actions, no matter how irrational the reaction was. It never would have happened had he not chosen to commit a crime against another person.

It's not that I don't care. I don't believe I lack empathy. I don't think you should pass judgment on me based on your misunderstanding of my point of view. This has nothing to do with socioeconomic status at all. I wouldn't feel a bit differently if it was a rich white kid in the 'burbs.

If it was someone I knew and cared about, of course I would "feel" differently emotionally. Are you trying to tell me that you react to every unjust death like it's your own sibling, cousin, friend, etc...? Your "feelings" are the same regardless? In that case, you must be mired in a perpetual grieving process....

First of all, i wasn't singling you out. I apologize if i made it seem that way. But even if i were directly speaking at you i don't think that saying you lack empathy is passing judgement on you. I can only take in and process what you post and i've found that when it comes down to it, the content of a person's post only tells a little bit about them. We often respond with half or less of the story for lack of time or willingness to express our true long winded opinion. (not a problem i seem to have in the past 24 hours)

I 100% agree with your first paragraph above. He most certainly was responsible for the situation. Had he not thrown the eggs he would likely be alive today. As i pointed out, i'm all for consequences and being accountable for your actions. But if you look back at my posts my argument is towards the reactions of some of the members here; not so much the incident it self.

Since we are now talking about your posts specifically... Of course you would feel differently, but on top of that you would react differently as well. You likely wouldn't post the things you did had you known and cared for this person. That is my point. Just because you didn't know this person or happen to view his actions as criminal for some reason makes it ok to post the things you have. For instance: The last portion of your quoted response was "It was a conscious decision that bit him in the ass. Oh well." My point is that if this person were someone you cared about or a life form you had a little respect for; i'm guessing that you wouldn't sum it up like this and finish with an "Oh well"

While i'm not in a perpetual grieving process, i see no reason to make light of someone losing a life, or a child, or a brother. There just seems to be no reason for it other than to look or sound cool. I've actually seen more grieving on this forum in threads where a guys car gets keyed than there is for a kid who was killed for egging a car.

While my posts don't reflect it, i certainly think that posting in some what of an anonymous forum causes some people to take certain liberties that they would otherwise not take in a face to face discussion with strangers. So it would take A LOT of the same type of posts from a person to actually pass judgement so to speak. Which again, i have not done with you. There is far too little information from you and far too many opportunities to misinterpret posts.

[ABQ325i]

The Mercedes driver was totally out of control and I agree with MTV that he should get the death sentence, but he won't because it wasn't 1st degree murder. 1st degree murder is pre-meditated and it probably won't be able to be proved within a reasonable doubt that he intended to kill the kid.

2nd degree murder is where a person acted upon impulse which is what happened here.

It's a shame that the world is coming to this. People valuing their possessions higher than a human life.

[b0bab0i]

Originally Posted by ABQ325i

The Mercedes driver was totally out of control and I agree with MTV that he should get the death sentence, but he won't because it wasn't 1st degree murder. 1st degree murder is pre-meditated and it probably won't be able to be proved within a reasonable doubt that he intended to kill the kid.

2nd degree murder is where a person acted upon impulse which is what happened here.

It's a shame that the world is coming to this. People valuing their possessions higher than a human life.

He shouldn't get the death sentence because it wasn't first degree murder. If the kid didn't throw the egg then he wouldn't have been killed.

[james426]

kid didn't deserve to get killed over it, the driver should have just shot him in the legs

[number335]

only pimps drive gold mercedes. the kid should have known better not to egg a pimp.

[Mega Man]

Someone check the Benz forums for, "Need Legal Advice"

...someone was egging my car on Hallow's eve, and I...