World Exclusive! 2012 Lexus LFA Tested(C&D)

JayKay335i · 04-04-2010, 02:37 AM

It looks cool and conceptually its awesome. The numbers are unimpressive. It should have stayed a prototype and just trickle the technology on down. They'd have been better off releasing an exact replica of the 2jz Supra.

parnassus · 04-10-2010, 07:52 AM

I find it amusing that you guys are missing the point of the LFA. Most of you are dissing the car because it's poor value for money. Toyota is using this car to learn about new technologies so they can trickle them down to their mainstream models. Their goal was NOT to build the fastest car out on the road, it was to learn about new technologies whilst striving to showcase them in a car that displayed toyota's ideals. It's a distinctly japanese take on R&D.

So, with that said yes the car is horrific value for money and I'd rather buy something else - however, I admire the effort that went into this vehicle and hopefully something positive will result from Toyota's efforts in the coming years.

Edit:
Let me put it this way. Toyota's priorities are a little different from normal hypercar manufacturers. They would possibly have been akin to this:
1. Learn about new technologies and associated mass manufacturing techniques. eg. they built a carbon fibre loom so they could experiment with weaves and manufacturing techniques.
2. Build a good test harness whilst at it.

Toyota's eventual goal is to mass produce these technologies, whereas a company like Pagani will only build 10 vehicles a year.

The__J__Factor · 04-10-2010, 08:44 AM

^ Toyota has more experience with looms than anyone else, considering the founder Sakichi Toyoda pretty much paved the way for all modern looms in the 1890s and invented the automatic loom in the 1920s.
Thats how the company started up and its history is deeply rooted in looms.

I do love watching the vid of the loom spinning the carbon fiber pieces. So hypnotic.

ska///235i · 04-10-2010, 10:08 AM

hello...those would be call concept cars

its a nice car, but no point to it what so ever
ppl would put money on ferraris and lambos at this price range....not on a Lexus

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Originally Posted by parnassus

I find it amusing that you guys are missing the point of the LFA. Most of you are dissing the car because it's poor value for money. Toyota is using this car to learn about new technologies so they can trickle them down to their mainstream models. Their goal was NOT to build the fastest car out on the road, it was to learn about new technologies whilst striving to showcase them in a car that displayed toyota's ideals. It's a distinctly japanese take on R&D.

So, with that said yes the car is horrific value for money and I'd rather buy something else - however, I admire the effort that went into this vehicle and hopefully something positive will result from Toyota's efforts in the coming years.

Edit:
Let me put it this way. Toyota's priorities are a little different from normal hypercar manufacturers. They would possibly have been akin to this:
1. Learn about new technologies and associated mass manufacturing techniques. eg. they built a carbon fibre loom so they could experiment with weaves and manufacturing techniques.
2. Build a good test harness whilst at it.

Toyota's eventual goal is to mass produce these technologies, whereas a company like Pagani will only build 10 vehicles a year.

Cdnrockies · 04-10-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ska325xi

hello...those would be call concept cars

its a nice car, but no point to it what so ever
ppl would put money on ferraris and lambos at this price range....not on a Lexus

Then why were they sold out in short order? There were more requests for consideration than the 500 cars available.

And they are leases....these cars are NOT available for sale.

ska///235i · 04-10-2010, 12:55 PM

just imo

from a $55k sports sedan and all of a sudden a $350k sports car
a little extreme
but again, not hating this car...just doesn't make sense

ArmyBimmerDude · 04-10-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by creaminz

so it's slower 0-60 & 1/4 than Mr.5's 335i lol

nice car though.

And I know people with Honda's that can run rings around his car and your car easily. Only morons compare heavily modded vehicles to stock ones.

ArmyBimmerDude · 04-10-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cdnrockies

Then why were they sold out in short order? There were more requests for consideration than the 500 cars available.

And they are leases....these cars are NOT available for sale.

LOL thats awesome. Where are all the guys that said they wouldn't move any of the LF-A's? I would like to hear their response to your post.

DASHOCKER · 04-10-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

LOL thats awesome. Where are all the guys that said they wouldn't move any of the LF-A's? I would like to hear their response to your post.

Question is where are the buyers? They have not posted anywhere on the net.

ArmyBimmerDude · 04-10-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DASHOCKER

Question is where are the buyers? They have not posted anywhere on the net.

According to cdnrockies, you can't buy the car, just lease. Also if I were a rich as a person who's leasing the LF-A, i probably wouldnt spend my time on car forums with the little folk lol.

DASHOCKER · 04-10-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

According to cdnrockies, you can't buy the car, just lease. Also if I were a rich as a person who's leasing the LF-A, i probably wouldnt spend my time on car forums with the little folk lol.

Tell that to the Lambo & Ferrari folks who have their dedicated forums.

BMW F22 · 04-10-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Epik

Enzo and Reventon weren't exactly performance leaders either.

The LFA isn't supposed to be a performance bang for buck car like the GTR.

It's an engineering marvel with exclusivity and apparently Lexus-level reliability and refinement.

Agreed. I spoke with a Lexus salesman who used to work at a Lambo dealer and asked why the LF-A is so much more than other cars like Lamborghini and Ferrari. He said it's because the LF-A is a super car that could be maintained without breaking your wallet. I mean an oil change on a Lambo is like what, $10,000? The LF-A is a car that people won't be afraid to use as a daily driver. All that makes absolute sense to me. That answers the question why most exotic cars that are up for sale usually only have about 5000-10,000 miles on them.

BMW F22 · 04-10-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

According to cdnrockies, you can't buy the car, just lease. Also if I were a rich as a person who's leasing the LF-A, i probably wouldnt spend my time on car forums with the little folk lol.

That's what I heard too. The guy didn't really give me a clear cut answer as to why but apparently you can only lease the LF-A, not buy it.

M3_WC · 04-10-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW E90

Agreed. I spoke with a Lexus salesman who used to work at a Lambo dealer and asked why the LF-A is so much more than other cars like Lamborghini and Ferrari. He said it's because the LF-A is a super car that could be maintained without breaking your wallet. I mean an oil change on a Lambo is like what, $10,000? The LF-A is a car that people won't be afraid to use as a daily driver. All that makes absolute sense to me. That answers the question why most exotic cars that are up for sale usually only have about 5000-10,000 miles on them.

You are fooling yourself if you think repairs/service won't cost an arm and a leg. This is an exotic car made out of exoctic materials. It will not be cheap to maintain. This is not an ES camry.

Cdnrockies · 04-10-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DASHOCKER

Question is where are the buyers? They have not posted anywhere on the net.

Wtf are u talking about?

The car won't be delivered to the owners for about another 18 months? What's there to talk about?

Who knows what the screening process looked like? Maybe they agreed to non-disclosure until delivery?

Who knows? You and I certainly don't so why continue your drivel.

Cdnrockies · 04-10-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW E90

That's what I heard too. The guy didn't really give me a clear cut answer as to why but apparently you can only lease the LF-A, not buy it.

Lexus wants these cars to be driven and not just bought up and garaged by some rich oil tycoons in the Middle East. If you don't meet Lexus exact criteria for leasing them it doesn't matter how much money you have....you're not getting one.

majin ssj eric · 04-11-2010, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cdnrockies

Lexus wants these cars to be driven and not just bought up and garaged by some rich oil tycoons in the Middle East. If you don't meet Lexus exact criteria for leasing them it doesn't matter how much money you have....you're not getting one.

Kinda odd that Lexus can be so picky with a car that "nobody wants"....

josephr25 · 04-11-2010, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Razzy

sad part about all this is, Lexus claims their losing money on each sold.

Isn't VW suffering the same thing w/ Bugatti?

33five · 04-11-2010, 05:32 AM

nonetheless manufactured by toyota... the best toyota was actually made in 86..

darkcloud · 04-11-2010, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

According to cdnrockies, you can't buy the car, just lease. Also if I were a rich as a person who's leasing the LF-A, i probably wouldnt spend my time on car forums with the little folk lol.

Read the Lexus site.

Under pricing and options it says that the LFA is only offered through a 1Pay24 month lease. You will have the option to purchase the LFA at lease maturity.

Esentially Lexus wants to double dip into the buyers wallet. If the leasee doesn't buy the car at lease end they can then jack the price back up on the next buyer due to exclusivity and likely low miles since the lease will prolly be constricted to a 8-10k milage allowance per year if not less.

BMW F22 · 04-13-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by M3_WC

You are fooling yourself if you think repairs/service won't cost an arm and a leg. This is an exotic car made out of exoctic materials. It will not be cheap to maintain. This is not an ES camry.

Well that's what I heard. It's supposed to be an exotic car that won't be super expensive to maintain. It's supposed to be a car that people can drive without having to worry about keeping the mileage down. Whether that is true remains unknown. I mean I was surprised to because at $400k a pop, why would you buy a Lexus over a Lambo, Ferrari or Aston Martin? The answer has got to be reliability and the ability to maintain it right?

ska///235i · 04-13-2010, 11:17 PM

or maybe no one will drop $400k on a lexus, so they're just leasing them out ....more affordable for the rich in a bad economy

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