[willin11]

Agreed, it sounds awesome and looks awesome too

[speedmaster20d]

Originally Posted by The HACK

That's a ridiculous premise. Getting THAT much power out on the street, you'd be wrapped around a pole within minutes. Anything that makes more than 350 ft*lbs under 2,500 RPM and weigh south of 4,000 lbs will already be way too much to handle "on the street."

And unless you "live your life quarter mile at a time," there's nothing south of 7 figures that will beat a 3 motored electric, so what is the point?

Yeah. One will need to rev it out past 6,000 RPM to get the majority of the power. But that IS the point. This motor is going to be very well suited for track use, even in its NA form, and it's got more than enough grunt based on the size of the engine and the weight of the car that it's not going to struggle getting from corner to corner on a canyon road nor is it going to get "blown away" by your average Civic with a turbo, IF you even have a remote inkling on how to actually drive a car.

Plus it comes with an automatic transmission, so you'll always be in the right gear, at the right time, within milliseconds, the moment you stomp past the kick-down. It's crazy to think anyone would prefer the muffled noise coming out of a turbo over a high-revving NA V8.

This is why we can't have nice things, and the next generation of performance cars are all going to be electric.

I have to disagree

I had a couple of cars making 350lb a about 3000 rm and south of 4000lbs, a few Audi's the S5 and the S4 to name a few, and didn't cut it for me, I can definitely tell difference between those and even the old M3 when driving on a back road, even freeway ramp etc.

I am not talking about straight line speed. yes, Tesla goes faster than anything on a straight line time and over again, but not around the bends, not on a canyon road... drive one on a twisty road and it's not a pleasant experience with unsettling weight and chassis that's all over the place and zero road feedback. It also runs out of charge rapidly if you are going up hills on a hot day with AC...may have to walk back home from the summit.

re. sound I am with you, didn't I say turbo was muffled... but the vette isn't the best sounding NA car IMO...it is throaty... but it sounds a bit coarse and unrefined next to a R8 V10 or a GT3 RS, it is not a high reving engine either with a redline at just 6500 rpm which is ironically lower than the M3's redline....again great and desirable car for the price for sure but you get what you pay for. there is no miracles or unicorns here.

[Top speed]

Originally Posted by speedmaster20d

I have to disagree

I had a couple of cars making 350lb a about 3000 rm and south of 4000lbs, a few Audi's the S5 and the S4 to name a few, and didn't cut it for me, I can definitely tell difference between those and even the old M3 when driving on a back road, even freeway ramp etc.

I am not talking about straight line speed. yes, Tesla goes faster than anything on a straight line time and over again, but not around the bends, not on a canyon road... drive one on a twisty road and it's not a pleasant experience with unsettling weight and chassis that's all over the place and zero road feedback. It also runs out of charge rapidly if you are going up hills on a hot day with AC...may have to walk back home from the summit.

re. sound I am with you, didn't I say turbo was muffled... but the vette isn't the best sounding NA car IMO...it is throaty... but it sounds a bit coarse and unrefined next to a R8 V10 or a GT3 RS, it is not a high reving engine either with a redline at just 6500 rpm which is ironically lower than the M3's redline....again great and desirable car for the price for sure but you get what you pay for. there is no miracles or unicorns here.

Corvette claims a redline of 8600 rpm. Who do we believe?

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

I'm willing to bet it won't trap lower than a 10.7. Comparing the NA Z06 to the SC Zr1 isn't even in the same league.

This new motor platform is all hype.

Just like most NA exotics, all noise and no go.

Might be right. Car and driver still claims the z06 topped up with fluids will be 3700 pounds. Gm likes to quote crank power so actual whp will probably be 570hp

That gives it a similar to slightly worse power to weight ratio as a mclaren 570s. 3200 pounds and 530whp. Or dodge viper 3400 pounds and 540whp.

All speculation though. Can't wait to see some mags start reviewing it and setting lap times and drag racing.

[mikado463]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Of course you are, it's just an unlikely subject. Knock-off, cheaply-built, ill-fitting bang-for-the-buck Chevy on a German precision forum. Weird is all.

no , weird is your stupid comment ........

[P1]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Of course you are, it's just an unlikely subject. Knock-off, cheaply-built, ill-fitting bang-for-the-buck Chevy on a German precision forum. Weird is all.

I have a 2004 3/4 ton Silverado with the 6.6L V8 Duramax. I also have an F15 X5. One has twice the miles compared to the other. Can you guess which one doesn't have a singe creak or rattle?

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by P1

I have a 2004 3/4 ton Silverado with the 6.6L V8 Duramax. I also have an F15 X5. One has twice the miles compared to the other. Can you guess which one doesn't have a singe creak or rattle?

I can't.

But I can direct you towards the multitudes of thousands of Corvette owners that have found their cars to be ill-fitting rattle-traps that have over-use of cheap plastic materials.

Look, I don't have a dog in this pony show, I'm just stating what most Corvette owners already know.

I would never say that I don't adore the look of the C6.
I would never say that the Corvette isn't the bang-for-the-buck winner.

But it's obvious that Chevrolet build quality isn't on par with BMW's.

It's also obvious that BMW is, much of the time, over-engineered, and doesn't provide enough tolerance with anything.

Pick your poison.

I was merely saying that the Z06 love is weird on a BMW board. Then again, maybe it's not, as BMW owners LOVE numbers...

[Alfisti]

I've literally NO IDEA how guys on an enthusiasts forum would want a TT V8 for the sake of insane numbers instead of a howling NA V8. Madness. I don't care if it is down 400HP on the NA engine, i'd take the NA one every time.

[mikado463]

Originally Posted by P1

I have a 2004 3/4 ton Silverado with the 6.6L V8 Duramax. I also have an F15 X5. One has twice the miles compared to the other. Can you guess which one doesn't have a singe creak or rattle?

neither, rather the Dodge in your avatar !

[mikado463]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I was merely saying that the Z06 love is weird on a BMW board. Then again, maybe it's not, as BMW owners LOVE numbers...

How many times does it need to be TOLD, This IS NOT a BMW thread, for crying out loud, read the sub topic heading........'non-BMW' !!

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I can't.

But I can direct you towards the multitudes of thousands of Corvette owners that have found their cars to be ill-fitting rattle-traps that have over-use of cheap plastic materials.

Look, I don't have a dog in this pony show, I'm just stating what most Corvette owners already know.

I would never say that I don't adore the look of the C6.
I would never say that the Corvette isn't the bang-for-the-buck winner.

But it's obvious that Chevrolet build quality isn't on par with BMW's.

It's also obvious that BMW is, much of the time, over-engineered, and doesn't provide enough tolerance with anything.

Pick your poison.

I was merely saying that the Z06 love is weird on a BMW board. Then again, maybe it's not, as BMW owners LOVE numbers...

Cool, how many times are you going to post your distaste in this thread for it? Don't like it, don't buy one. No need to come in here and be a debbie downer.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by mikado463

How many times does it need to be TOLD, This IS NOT a BMW thread, for crying out loud, read the sub topic heading........'non-BMW' !!

I just said it was weird to have the thread on a BMW BOARD...and it is. I'd say the same thing if I saw the same thread on a Porsche or Aston Martin board, etc.

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Cool, how many times are you going to post your distaste in this thread for it? Don't like it, don't buy one. No need to come in here and be a debbie downer.

I didn't go into my distaste for it, I was merely stating the obvious. And I hardly think my comments are ground or heart-breaking. In other words; no one is going to change their minds about buying a C8 Z06 over my obvious comments.

But if I have to read one more flat-plane crank comment, or how this 3,500 lb car with carbon fiber wheels is "light", I think I might just vomit. Maybe I'll save that for seeing the panel gaps in person.

[Alfisti]

It's clearly a BMW board, off topic or not, so should be an enthusiasts board. People wanting EV's and blown V8's .... meh.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I've literally NO IDEA how guys on an enthusiasts forum would want a TT V8 for the sake of insane numbers instead of a howling NA V8. Madness. I don't care if it is down 400HP on the NA engine, i'd take the NA one every time.

Low end torque.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by RM7

Low end torque.

How's that help you enjoy an engine on the street? You're at illegal, monumentally illegal, speeds in no time, you can never wring it out, even a bit.

Hell I rented a Mustang GT and jesus H, wonderful engine for the dollars, and for a V8 it actually likes a rev, but still, 2 seconds on the throttle from a rolling start and I am at 140kmh.

I get low end torque if we are talking daily drivability of regular cars, let's say a 1.8 lite turbo vs a 2.5 NA 4 cylinder, I get that. But a 550HP NA V8 vs a 680hp blown V8? Why? It feels like people get obsessed with numbers and forget what it is like to drive these cars. This is a bit of a cross thread post with the SL Roadster thread, but instead of 550 blown HP i'd more than happily take 400 NA HP that red lines at 8500rpm and can't pull the skin off a bowl of old soup.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

How's that help you enjoy an engine on the street? You're at illegal, monumentally illegal, speeds in no time, you can never wring it out, even a bit.

Hell I rented a Mustang GT and jesus H, wonderful engine for the dollars, and for a V8 it actually likes a rev, but still, 2 seconds on the throttle from a rolling start and I am at 140kmh.

I get low end torque if we are talking daily drivability of regular cars, let's say a 1.8 lite turbo vs a 2.5 NA 4 cylinder, I get that. But a 550HP NA V8 vs a 680hp blown V8? Why? It feels like people get obsessed with numbers and forget what it is like to drive these cars. This is a bit of a cross thread post with the SL Roadster thread, but instead of 550 blown HP i'd more than happily take 400 NA HP that red lines at 8500rpm and can't pull the skin off a bowl of old soup.

because ego.

lots of guys equate magazine lap times or beating someone by 1/2 a carlength on a 5-10 second race as having a 'better' car... and since they have a 'better' car then they are better or more successful in life than the other guy.

and illegal has nothing to do with it. some people just dont care. some people have skills to drift their car around whatever turn they want, some people couldn't drift an 86 to save their life.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

How's that help you enjoy an engine on the street? Y

Because it's far more common to be at a lower RPM driving on the street.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by RM7

Because it's far more common to be at a lower RPM driving on the street.

They're sports cars, what's the fun in that? Again, run of the mill cars I get it, but sports cars? The whole point is to wring it's neck a bit.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

They're sports cars, what's the fun in that? Again, run of the mill cars I get it, but sports cars? The whole point is to wring it's neck a bit.

That’s your point. Other people just want to “go”, fast, even they push the pedal down.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

Might be right. Car and driver still claims the z06 topped up with fluids will be 3700 pounds. Gm likes to quote crank power so actual whp will probably be 570hp

That gives it a similar to slightly worse power to weight ratio as a mclaren 570s. 3200 pounds and 530whp. Or dodge viper 3400 pounds and 540whp.

All speculation though. Can't wait to see some mags start reviewing it and setting lap times and drag racing.

My C7Z made 585rwhp bone stock and weight almost 3600lbs.

GM says the C8Z weighs 3400lbs DRY. So even if you add 200lbs worth of fluids, that's about the same weight as a C7Z.

With a better chassis, better weight distribution because of the ME, better gearing, faster shifts because of the DCT, and A LOT more traction.

It will absolutely be faster than a C7Z. A car that was already running with supercars.

The funny thing is that the C7Z as it sits stock would've been a faster car if it had traction. It's sluggish auto or the slower manual put that car at a disadvantage in some scenarios but still came out on top in some of those because of the shear brute power the car made.

Now GM took a step back and gave us an all motor setup, but with far more superior traction and weight distribution, a very fast auto and better gearing to suit the higher redline, this will be world class.

It's finally a supercar.

[Flacht3]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I've literally NO IDEA how guys on an enthusiasts forum would want a TT V8 for the sake of insane numbers instead of a howling NA V8. Madness. I don't care if it is down 400HP on the NA engine, i'd take the NA one every time.

A year ago I would have agreed with you...but I've experienced several flat plane V8 TT cars recently (600LT, 765LT, F8) that winding up to their redline sound realllllly good...and even better on their downshifts. Hell the 600LT and 765LT redline at 8500 and you'll almost (key word, almost) forget you're not in an NA car. The sound is not quite as good as a natural aspirated porsche GT car, roaring V8 or rumbling V10 but close enough that I may take the trade off for the improved power.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Of course you are, it's just an unlikely subject. Knock-off, cheaply-built, ill-fitting bang-for-the-buck Chevy on a German precision forum. Weird is all.

Right, because BMW subframes don't crack on $60K M cars, or front shock towers don't crack on $120K exotic roadsters. Or peeling interiors on $50K 3-series... And let's not mention BMW plastics...

Lol.