[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I'll say this ...... hmmmmm... I am not a fan of their boy racer interiors. The dash anyways, basically classless and the cars are all huge, nothing small and nimble. Cannot believe I am saying this but i'd take a 911 before a ferrari assuming I cannot sell either one. The 488 is my favourite though, and by a wide margin.

TIL Ferrari’s have boy racer interiors and 458’s are huge

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by b0lzen

I think this is the poor man's version =)[/IMG]

I had an '86 MR-2, great little car. Always had issues getting the car in gear at high rpm's, ended up toasting the trans because of it.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Darth One

I’m actually planning to buy a 458 next year, lol. So we’re in opposite places right now. But i do appreciate being able to read your ownership experiences, particularly the maintenance costs.

You’ll love the GT3. I’d recommend trying out the 997 RS as well as the 991.2 to see which you like better. They are, IMO, the peak of Porsche’s manual 911 game but in different ways. The 991 being the ultimate performer while the 997 is the ultimate ‘analog’ driver’s car that still offers modern levels of performance.

nice. yeah the 997 is very analog, probably a more pure experience. I've only sat in one once and noticed the clutch was VERY heavy lol. Its probably a little too hardcore for me i'll admit. And the interior/tech is extremely dated now. I would feel like im downgrading a bit coming from the 458, but with the 991 I don't get that feeling at all.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Absolutely happy to shoot that car. I shot my friend James' a few years back.

Fantastic photos and a gorgeous 911

[Darth One]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

nice. yeah the 997 is very analog, probably a more pure experience. I've only sat in one once and noticed the clutch was VERY heavy lol. Its probably a little too hardcore for me i'll admit. And the interior/tech is extremely dated now. I would feel like im downgrading a bit coming from the 458, but with the 991 I don't get that feeling at all.

Ok, sounds like a good decision. Yes, the 997 clutch is very heavy, lol. And the PCM is so outdated I just keep it shut off.

I didn't trade in my 997 GT3 for a 991 because I wanted the more analog car. But ended up buying a GT4 to have something softer/but-still-GT.

I hope you end up driving the car a lot! I have 66k miles on both cars combined and I would feel I didn't get my money's worth if I drove them less.

[Maitre_Absolut]

thanks for posting love real world ownership stories like this.

love the 458, think the speciale would be my ultimate keeper car

[Bumpinjeep]

Get an F12, they sound great, are feel super strong, and look awesome.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I had an '86 MR-2, great little car. Always had issues getting the car in gear at high rpm's, ended up toasting the trans because of it.

It always seemed like the Gen2 turbo was a "mini-Ferrari"

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

It always seemed like the Gen2 turbo was a "mini-Ferrari"

For mini people. I tried to like them, but just can't fit. And I owned a Miata. I'm not abnormally tall either, just 6'2"

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

For mini people. I tried to like them, but just can't fit. And I owned a Miata. I'm not abnormally tall either, just 6'2"

Yeah, real Sports Cars are one of the things us little guys get (I'm 5'5" / 143 lbs).

Big guys, well, they get Muscle Cars and GT Cars or they get to be uncomfortable.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Yeah, real Sports Cars are one of the things us little guys get (I'm 5'5" / 143 lbs).

Big guys, well, they get Muscle Cars and GT Cars or they get to be uncomfortable.

I've read that Ferrari and Lamborghini have used larger folks when designing their interiors to ensure that sports stars can fit comfortably. Obviously there's a limit. Trying to cram a 6'8" coworker into my M Coupe was pretty amusing.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

I've read that Ferrari and Lamborghini have used larger folks when designing their interiors to ensure that sports stars can fit comfortably. Obviously there's a limit. Trying to cram a 6'8" coworker into my M Coupe was pretty amusing.

I'm sure. But I don't consider any Ferrari or Lamborghini a true Sports Car (unless you're calling everything with a sporty nature a Sports Car).

[Flacht3]

As a 991.2 owner I can promise you that you'll love it.

I've driven the 458 and it is great (I actually would love to add one, so let me know if your sale falls through ha...been eying a 458 or 430 Scud as a long-term second car) but I legitimately feel the GT3 is the more fun drivers car...458 wins for the attention and intangible nature of being a Ferrari.

[erictrainer]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

I would consider the 992 gt3 but I only have 6 months to use my tax credit (which if I don't use i'll be flushing $10k down the drain).

Interesting...how do you work out the tax credit? Are you a dealer? Or did you broker the sale through a dealer?

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by erictrainer

Interesting...how do you work out the tax credit? Are you a dealer? Or did you broker the sale through a dealer?

in Missouri you have 6 months to use your tax credit regardless if you trade in or sell private. in state or out of state doesn't matter.

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I'm sure. But I don't consider any Ferrari or Lamborghini a true Sports Car (unless you're calling everything with a sporty nature a Sports Car).

So if a Ferrari or Lamborghini are not sports cars then what in the world is?

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I'm sure. But I don't consider any Ferrari or Lamborghini a true Sports Car (unless you're calling everything with a sporty nature a Sports Car).

Damn, just realized this is not a Sports Car 🙈

[RM7]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I'm sure. But I don't consider any Ferrari or Lamborghini a true Sports Car (unless you're calling everything with a sporty nature a Sports Car).

This is such a bullshit description. Yes, "sports-car" has evolved over the years, it's not "stuck" on what was a sporty 2-seater back in 1950. I consider it to generally be any car that prioritizes performance over utility and other factors. They are bought to enjoy the performance and thrill, vs. transporting people/things. It doesn't need to "only" carry 2 people, but that's obviously part of the utility factor, and to that effect, we can divide the segment down into more specialized sections/parts...

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

So if a Ferrari or Lamborghini are not sports cars then what in the world is?

If you consider a Ferrari or Lamborghini Sports Car, congratulations, you're normal. You also consider a Dodge Demon a Sports Car. To me, this is too wide of a range to properly categorize cars, so I go by the older definitions.

The classic definition of a Sports Car is as follows:

- 2 seat
- open top
- manual gearbox
- light weight
- nimble (handling fun being the primary objective)
- radio

What you have with your Ferrari's and Lamborghini's is much more the classic definition of a GT or Grand Touring Car.

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Damn, just realized this is not a Sports Car 🙈

Correct. See above.

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

This is such a bullshit description.

You define things the way you like, I'll define them the way I like. To me, calling both a Diablo and a Miata a Sports Car isn't specific enough.

[Alfisti]

He's right you know.

[corn18]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Damn, just realized this is not a Sports Car 🙈

By my own made up definitions, this is a banana.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

If you consider a Ferrari or Lamborghini Sports Car, congratulations, you're normal. You also consider a Dodge Demon a Sports Car. To me, this is too wide of a range to properly categorize cars, so I go by the older definitions.

The classic definition of a Sports Car is as follows:

- 2 seat
- open top
- manual gearbox
- light weight
- nimble (handling fun being the primary objective)
- radio

What you have with your Ferrari's and Lamborghini's is much more the classic definition of a GT or Grand Touring Car.




Correct. See above.




You define things the way you like, I'll define them the way I like. To me, calling both a Diablo and a Miata a Sports Car isn't specific enough.

So based upon your definition of a sports car it absolutely needs a radio to qualify?