[roastbeef]

nothing about it conveys that it is useful offroad. looks completely worthless, actually. poor clearance, no solid axle. silly.

[bagekko]

I like it but it has the same chasis as the new Disco and isnt as rugged and trail ready as the old defender.

Which ever comes first is what I am getting, the X7 45e or the Defender 130 diesel.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by bagekko

I like it but it has the same chasis as the new Disco and isnt as rugged and trail ready as the old defender.

Which ever comes first is what I am getting, the X7 45e or the Defender 130 diesel.

I don't know. It has more ground clearance than a Rubicon and better crab angles too. The old D90's are cool and all, but a Buick V8 redline limited to 88mph is only funny for so long.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

nothing about it conveys that it is useful offroad. looks completely worthless, actually. poor clearance, no solid axle. silly.

Originally Posted by bagekko

I like it but it has the same chasis as the new Disco and isnt as rugged and trail ready as the old defender.

Which ever comes first is what I am getting, the X7 45e or the Defender 130 diesel.

Did you guys read the article? While it has departed from solid axles, it still has low range and available center and rear lockers. Those are features typical AWD crossovers do not have and are quite useful on the trail. It also doesn't share a platform with any other Land Rover models as quoted from the article:

The Defender rides on an all-new aluminum unibody platform named D7x, not shared with any other Land Rover model. This unibody construction, and the use of independent suspension front and rear, are the biggest departures from Defender tradition.

[overcoil]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

Did you guys read the article? While it has departed from solid axles, it still has low range and available center and rear lockers. Those are features typical AWD crossovers do not have and are quite useful on the trail. It also doesn't share a platform with any other Land Rover models as quoted from the article:

not so sure about not sharing the Discovery platform, it's easy to shorten or lengthen stampings for different wheelbase and other dimensions and maintain the suspension pick-up points.

https://jalopnik.com/what-i-found-wh...r-d-1838080009

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

Did you guys read the article? While it has departed from solid axles, it still has low range and available center and rear lockers. Those are features typical AWD crossovers do not have and are quite useful on the trail. It also doesn't share a platform with any other Land Rover models as quoted from the article:

It's garbage. All those features are boutique terms to wow people who don't know. A base rubicon is far more capable and I'm not really a Jeep guy.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

It's garbage. All those features are boutique terms to wow people who don't know. A base rubicon is far more capable and I'm not really a Jeep guy.

Low range and locking differentials are boutique terms? A Jeep Wrangler Rubicon also has low range (along with every other Wrangler model) and front and rear lockers to aid its capability.

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

Low range and locking differentials are boutique terms? A Jeep Wrangler Rubicon also has low range (along with every other Wrangler model) and front and rear lockers to aid its capability.

i'm not saying those things don't help. i'm saying it is nothing special. standard equipment on other vehicles- and no front locker.
i don't see any significant clearance or suspension travel capabilities. its mediocre.

all the other features with air suspension and "water crossing" mode is just a dog and pony show. more stuff to break.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

i'm not saying those things don't help. i'm saying it is nothing special. standard equipment on other vehicles.
i don't see any significant clearance or suspension travel capabilities. its mediocre.

Just a little sampling of old vs new (although the fording depth is clearly non snorkel vs snorkel):

...ground clearance has risen from 9.8 to 11.4 inches. The angle the new Defender can tilt on its side before falling over is now 45 degrees rather than 35 degrees. Wading depth has also increased from 19.6 inches to a little over 35 inches.

[P1]

Coming to sorority houses and tennis clubs near you...

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by P1et

Coming to sorority houses and tennis clubs near you...

No shit. Along with every car this forum is about.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

i'm not saying those things don't help. i'm saying it is nothing special. standard equipment on other vehicles- and no front locker.
i don't see any significant clearance or suspension travel capabilities. its mediocre.

all the other features with air suspension and "water crossing" mode is just a dog and pony show. more stuff to break.

I guess we'll see how special/competitive it is once the comparison tests start coming out. I can think of two direct competitors regarding the 4x4 capabilities, however those competitors fill two different spectrums of the market and typically appeal to very different types of customers. Those being the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon and the Mercedes G-wagon. I would love to see a comparison test between those three to see how they perform on the trail. I doubt many people will cross shop all three; possibly some people comparing the Jeep and the Defender for 4x4 use, and others comparing the G-wagon and Defender as luxury SUVs with abilities they want but will most likely never use.

Speaking of diff lockers, there are only three vehicles I can think of offering front and rear lockers from the factory. Those being the aforementioned Wrangler Rubicon and G-wagon, along with the Chevy Colorado ZR-2. The Toyota Land Cruiser may still offer a front locker, though I am not sure off the top of my head. I agree on the other features they are touting, they are probably things that may malfunction or break down the road.

Regardless, I'm just happy to see that some manufacturers are still willing to offer what I consider a true SUV, and not just a crossover pretending to be one.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by P1et

Coming to sorority houses and tennis clubs near you...

The same could be said for Wranglers though too. Granted there are loads of people who use Jeeps for their intended purpose; I know I would want to. There are also loads of people who just want the look.

[P1]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

The same could be said for Wranglers though too. Granted there are loads of people who use Jeeps for their intended purpose; I know I would want to. There are also loads of people who just want the look.

Agree. Wranglers are perfect for high school kids and suburban moms who love the “Jeep without doors and big tires” look.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by P1et

Agree. Wranglers are perfect for high school kids and suburban moms who love the “Jeep without doors and big tires” look.

And they have $10 fenders, it's nearly impossible to curb rash a wheel and they tend to have good sight lines. My nephew has one as a college car, can't say it's a bad choice.

[supra93]

[supra93]

You can now order a Defender with four, six, or eight cylinders

The 2022 Land Rover Defender has arrived* with an updated suite of powertrains (including a 518-horsepower, supercharged V8) and new equipment offerings, including an upgraded (and improved, Land Rover says) infotainment system.

Let's start with that V8. It's the only engine offered in the Defender without its cylinders all in a straight line. The supercharged 5.0-liter engine offers 518 hp and 461 pound-feet of torque, and can propel the SUV to 60 mph a full second quicker than the fastest Defender currently on sale. Do you need another 100 horsepower in a Defender? Do you need V8 noises? Do you need to hit 60 mph in just 4.9 seconds? Do you need a top speed of 149 mph?

We can't answer these questions for you, but if you peruse our critiques of the 2020 Defender, you'll find that we did not cite a lack of power among the SUV's shortcomings. Plus, the V8 will come with at least one drawback of its own: weight. Land Rover has not yet released full specs for U.S. models, but a spokesperson told us that the EU-spec model gains between 600 and 700 pounds making the jump from the I-6 to the V8. A lot of that is likely due to beefing up driveline and chassis components. Land Rover touts the V8 model's larger, solid anti-roll bars, for example.

The V8 will anchor the top end of the 2022 Defender's engine lineup, which will still include the 2.0- and 3.0-liter engines, which produce 296 and 395 horsepower, respectively. Overseas, the 2022 Defender gets both a diesel engine and a PHEV variant as well. Neither will cross the Atlantic this year, and we suspect the only one that has any chance of being sold here is the PHEV. Certifying diesel powertrains in the United States has proved challenging over the past five years, to say the least.

The inclusion of the V8 brought with it adjustments to the Defender's chassis and driveline. The trick rear differential, adaptive chassis components and its selectable drive modes (Land Rover calls it "Terrain Response") were all recalibrated, as was its torque vectoring programming. A new "Dynamic" mode will allow drivers to extract all of the Defender V8's potential, or simply hang the rear end out, if hooning a 4x4 is your thing. The "V8" badges and blue accents in the exterior shots here are included among the dress-up goodies that accompany the bigger engine, and the brakes aren't just painted differently; they're bigger too.

2022 also marks the introduction of an upgraded Pivi Pro infotainment suite, which now has a larger optional touchscreen (11.4 inches), wireless device charging and a stronger Wi-Fi signal. Land Rover says the new system also boots much quicker and offers superior response to the outgoing unit, both of which are welcome improvements.

* We stuck that asterisk on "arrived" above because if the past year has shown us anything, it's that Land Rover is struggling to get Defenders into circulation, especially here in the States, where the short-wheelbase 90 model has been AWOL since launch and 110 models, while available, have largely been scarce. Land Rover does not yet have pricing information available for the 2022 model; that will come closer to launch, whenever that ends up being.

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/02/24/...r-defender-v8/

[1MOREMOD]

I saw a black 110 the other day and didn't know what it was, senility since I was already here earlier in the thread. Liked it a lot.

[stein_325i]

In my neighborhood there's a white Defender with black accents I see a lot. Very nice looking SUV in person, and that blacked out 90 model looks awesome.

Glad they stuck with the 5.0, for a while rumors were pointing towards JLR using the BMW N63.

[bkfastwagon]

Whatever you do, don't buy one, lease if you must.

[supra93]

[stein_325i]

Three-Row Land Rover Defender 130 Confirmed, On Sale Within 18 Months

Originally Posted by Motor1

Rumors of a larger Defender emerged even before Land Rover revived the legendary off-roader in September 2019. Company executives have now officially confirmed a three-row derivative is in the pipeline and will be on sale within the next 18 months. Known as the Defender 130, the more spacious SUV "will hit a sweet spot in North America, China and also the Middle East, which we're not yet touching," according to Chief Financial Officer Adrian Mardell.

According to an internal document from a couple of years ago, the more family-friendly derivative will retain the 119-in (3,022-mm) wheelbase of the Defender 110 while stretching the overall length by about 13 inches (342 millimeters) to 201 inches (5,100 millimeters). The same document referred to the Defender 130 as being a "premium explorer" with eight seats.

The three-row Defender will join the two shorter versions and recent additions to the family such as the plug-in hybrid and the brawny V8 version featured here. Land Rover could expand the lineup furthermore in the years to come as the Tata Motors-owned marque still hasn't given up on the idea of a pickup. Considering the segment's boom in recent years, the decision to green-light the truck seems like a no-brainer.

Jaguar Land Rover's design boss Gerry McGovern hints there's more to come as the company is "looking at what we can do with that brand because with relatively small investment we can increase its appeal. I'm absolutely convinced Defender will become a power brand in itself."

JLR's recently announced "Reimagine" strategy will turn Jaguar into an EV brand from 2025, but there are also plans to electrify Land Rover. No fewer than six purely electric vehicles are planned for the Range Rover, Discovery, and Defender families, with the first zero-emissions model scheduled for 2024. It's unclear when exactly the Defender will lose its combustion engine, but it will happen within the next five years.