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Yes Camaros and Mustangs can have that boy racer stigma but the prices are getting higher so unless you’re buying the Hertz version, you pay a fair amount for the performance versions.
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01-08-2018, 05:22 PM | #46 |
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Great car! That's a ton of performance for the money for sure.
BTW: My neighbors son is the president of Magnuson Superchargers. Just saying...
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We'll see down the road, but so far I'm pretty happy. The car is nuts. When it starts up it just goes ballistic with the exhaust (and then quiets down a bit). I could do all day long, lol. This is a very well tuned car, lots of nice features, crazy performance.
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01-08-2018, 11:32 PM | #48 |
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And the thing I like about GM is that they simply have not been holding back over the last decade. Should we put 305 tires on the front of a car? Let's do it! Can we stuff a 640hp engine in this CTS-V? Heck yeah. 400+hp V8 sedan, and so on. Ford always seems to follow suit a few years later but either much more watered-down or has to go with something more specific like GT500 straight-line performance or focus RS, good vehicles in their own right, but GM seems to be shooting for the top over the last few decades, taking Porsche and Ferrari to task around the rings. Major props for doing so.
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Taking Ferrari and Porsche to task? Ford GT. Coming from a Mopar guy with a Viper and Charger - Ford over GM all day any day. All GM does is copy. Must be easy being an engineer or designer there when all you have to do is know how to operate a photocopy machine. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't their Alpha platform essentially a copy of the E9X BMW chassis? I like originals over copies, and with that I rest my case. |
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Regardless, congrats on the 1LE, love the white/black combo! Enjoy in good health, hope to see some track pics eventually! |
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Without independent rear suspension, I never considered those to be serious cars. All they did was give them a bunch of HP and even though they were lighter with more HP, they still got beat around the track. This mainly because Ford was not dedicated to making the "complete sports car" package. GT350 and now the PP1/2 are a step in the right direction, but the zeta chassis was far superior to what Ford was making at the time. Ford Taurus sold a bunch too.
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01-09-2018, 11:22 AM | #54 | |
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The fact that any Camaro can be mentioned in the same breath as a Porsche 911 (not to mention a Turbo or GT3) is very impressive indeed, especially if we are talking about track times. In the pony car world Ford has always been the 'first mover' GM has always pushed the performance up. Mopar has always been the last to the party, so they come up with some ridiculous color or character to get attention. (Don't get me wrong, I love how insane the Mopar guys are) If you go back, post war GM was vary innovative, they pushed design (not just body design, OHV engines when Ford was clinging to the flat head), more then anybody else (successfully, that is). Go back farther, Ford had a 4 cylinder, so Chevy made a 6, so Ford made a V8, and so on. |
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The LT1 isn’t in any GM truck. Just the Camaro and Corvette. GM bashed aluminum in the bed floor, and that’s it. The Silverado has had an aluminum hood for longer than the F-150 has had an aluminum body. No, the Alpha isn’t a copy of the E90. Essentially everything you said is wrong. |
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I came from a 2010 Camaro SS. In my case, I found it too hard to daily drive - clutch was heavy, shifter effort was high (couldn’t rip through gears like an E46) and rear end would break loose easily. I got what I wanted in my M3, along with 2 more doors but I miss the loud abnoxious fun I had. Good luck!
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07-04-2018, 12:02 PM | #58 |
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It's sad as the 4-series is one of BMW's best looking vehicles...ever.
But it's so "meh" to drive it just kills all the appeal. BMW, Audi, and Mercedes target the same customer and have essentially ended up producing the same cars. Fast, numb steering, no sense of liveliness or playfulness from the car. Doesn't matter which segment of the market. Last edited by Germanauto; 07-04-2018 at 12:07 PM.. |
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My lease is up on my M3 in 3 mths. I am currently working a deal on a 2018 2SS 1LE for around $44k (before TTL)
I have had my M3 for 3 years and put 40k miles on it and with the exception of the motor and the DCT, I was very disappointed. The chassis can't handle the power , even with extreme performance category tires it struggles to put the power down , the ass end is all over the place and has crappy rebound damping. The MDM mode is a joke, works against you, not with you. I ended up adding Ohlin R/T coilovers to get the stability and chassis control that should have come from the factory on a 75k M car. However as good as the Ohlin are at body control, there is a big ride quality penalty you pay with a coilover suspension. I had issues with vibrations from the brakes , squeaks befitting a 3,000 dollar Yugo that took them wrapping 3M tape around everything to make it go away. The 2SS interior is just as nice as the M3 interior without the full leather option. The 2SS 1LE has the track numbers right about even with a GT350R and the M4 GTS. 275 / 305 tires and wheels that look perfect right off the showroom floor, no need to add spacers or the need to change the wheels out. Magnetic ride shocks that are 100x better and react MUCH faster than the old technology valve based adjustable shocks the M3 uses. A proper PTMS (Performance Traction Management System) that works for you and has many modes to choose from.
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Overall the car(1LE) is a beast, in the best possible ways.
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Regarding power, I will say after my test drive in the 1LE (which I was not easy on) and getting back in the M, because of the power delivery , the M3 feels faster, although I know the numbers for both are very close to each other. BMW did do a good job with all the trickery they used to keep the turbos spooled up in Sport+ mode and for a turbo motor, doesn't fall off much in the upper RPM range. I will miss the DCT, but the 1LE is one of the best shifters I have felt. The rev Match feature and no lift shift software will make it so I don't miss the DCT too much.
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For $30k less, I'll take that trade off.
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I had the 335i with PPK (+35 hp). The engine/8AT combo was so well executed, smooth as butter and deceptively quick. High speed cruising was especially effortless. A+ drivetrain. Beyond that, it's handling, steering, and overall feel was plain uninspiring. The M sport package was merely aesthetics, albeit great looking. I'm confident I'll never get another non M BMW. There are just say too many better choices from other manufacturers in the quasi-sport realm of cars.
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